[nomadbrah]

I personally talk to conservative pundits and politicians in closed Facebook groups, sometimes in real life and occasionally get paid to write in newspapers. If I can influence just one of these pundits, then that is a far greater political victory, than sitting around in some lame local political organisation. There's generally a great interest from the mainstream in "populist" and "identitarian" views and particularly for those who can transcend internet into IRL.

[kuqezi]

(06-27-2018 12:21 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You'll notice most guys who are obsessed with politics, don't travel, don't game, and don't enjoy life.

Post of the day!
Thanks Kaotic!

[asdfk]

Most (not all) posters are the political equivalent of virgin Dragan giving advice on how to bang Serbian girls.

No political influence or responsibility, yet they know how the world should be run.

Guess what? Being a leader is fucking hard. Be it in business or in politics.

Democracy makes people delusional. It makes them think they are qualified to have an opinion. While the consequences never fall on their shoulders.

Political discussion = keyboard jockey unless you are actually a politician or exerting influence over the political process.

[kaotic]

@asdfk I agree with this

@nomadbrah I respect that alot, you're actually being effective by talking to these pundits and influencing them. Most just put themselves here or argue endlessly on FB all day.

[Stallion]

Strongly disagree with OP.

I'm very conservative myself, but it bores me to death when the same topics pop up again and again on every thread.

My ice cream is melting on a sunny day? Must be the jews.
I'm going bald? SJW conspiracy!!!
My dick is full of shit after sodomizing some dirty slut? SOROOOOOOOOOOS

For fucks sake, around a year ago there was a thread about how the scientists at CERN are trying to open a portal to hell, as some kind of globalist anti-christian conspiracy.
As a guy who has done contracting work for CERN; and has been down in the tunnels; and sat in the control room countless times... this made me roll my eyes and ask myself... am I really on the RVF?

Fact is, I live in Europe and travel to Germany very often for business.
Yet I see more talk about the "muslim invasion of Europe" from American forum members than during my daily life.


This is the reason I spend less and less time on the forum and barely visit the Everything Else Section.
Years ago (I stalked the forum since 2012, way before I created my account) I could visit everyday and discover threads packed with useful information.

Now I can be away for weeks without missing anything interesting.
We only get threads about "Moooh this hollywood movie is full of feminist propaganda" or "blabla whatever celebrity I don't even know posted whatever on Instagram and it triggered my poor conservative feelings".

I login to the forum for alternative travel insights from like-minded men, or for game and fitness debate. If you want political debate, do it, but stop trolling unrelated threads.

Yes, feminism sucks. Yes, SJWs are morons. We all know it, you are preaching to the choir.
Stop beating the dead horse. You've beaten it so much we can't see the corpse anymore!




I like to think of members of this forum as well traveled, educated and successful men of the world.
Smart people who use reason and logic to think for themselves, without falling for bullshit or blindly following social trends.

So when I see members parroting the same old bullshit like some (right wing) sheep, it makes me sad.


It also pisses me off, because it makes all of us look bad:

We love to make fun of SJWs for being morons.
- They spend their life hunting for excuses to be victims.
- They get triggered every time someone breathes.
- They blame society and patriarchy for their shortcomings and their failures.

Yet we get conservatives doing the same.
- They spend their life hunting for (nonexistent) feminist attacks so they can whine about how feminazis are destroying the universe.
- They get triggered for whatever irrelevant details.
- They blame feminism, or fags, or muslims for their own failures.

They are just acting as mirror images of the SJWs, only on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

And when people stumble upon this forum, that's what they see.
And they think we are all a bunch of whiners who live in their basement, so they turn around.
I'm sure we lose plenty of people who would be great contributors that way.

I, for one, don't recommend the forum to people anymore because of this reason.

(06-27-2018 12:21 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

Guys here forget, THE FORUM IS A CONCENTRATED WORLD VIEW.

So true. I can't even remember the last time I encountered a SJW during my day to day life. Or a tranny, outside of SEA. Sure some girls will tell me they are feminist, but once the conversation get's going they are just a normal girl who ends up cooking dinner for me.

If all you can find are masculine and angry women, that's your game's fault. Don't blame the matriarchy.

Sure, I could go out looking for reasons to hate society, and I would find plenty.
But I have better things to do with my time.

(06-27-2018 12:21 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You'll notice most guys who are obsessed with politics, don't travel, don't game, and don't enjoy life.

THIS.

Travel the world. Smash hot lizzards from all over the planet.
Skydive, scubadive with motherfucking sharks, climb mountains.
Do some safari in Africa and then sail in Croatia. Learn new languages.
When you get back home you'll realize all the bullshit you got so triggered about wasn't a big deal in the first place, it was all in your head.


QUICK EDIT:
I'm positively surprised that so many fellow members think like me. The fact that we are having this discussion in a civilized manner is proof that after all, we are so much more rational than the SJWs we so despise.
Imagine this conversation on r/latestagecapitalism.... it would have been World War 3!

So Going Strong, even though we strongly disagree, hope you don't take this post the wrong way.
I can be a bit harsh in my writing, plus English is my third language so sometimes I come off as more aggressive than I realize.

[birthday cat]

(06-27-2018 12:07 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 11:26 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  

One of the reasons I don't want to talk about politics redpill/feminism is because most political redpill/feminism people tend to talk incessantly about political redpill/feminism but take no action. The result is everyone getting stressed out but not doing a damn thing.

You guys are the political redpill/feminism experts. Tell us how we can stop wasting all this time arguing and do something that will make a difference.

Maybe there is a compromise here. Maybe more people will be receptive to your beliefs if you focus on actions we can take rather than arguing so much about politics redpill/feminism in threads where guys don't want to talk about politics redpill/feminism.

There are a lot of topics that could be substituted for politics in your post. You're going down a slippery slope with that line of thinking.

I don't think I'm going down a slippery slope with that line of thinking because I do take action on almost everything I talk about on the forum. My writing reflects the action I take but if that isn't enough to convince someone then there are plenty of guys who know me in real life that can confirm.

However, most of those guys will never read this post because most of them have given up on reading the forum and one of the main reasons for that is politics being shoved down their throat. The politically obsessed guys may think they are changing people's opinions on this forum but we all know that most guys here either agree with conservative philosophy or they don't care. People get tired of it and leave rather than get involved in those political causes.

We talk about redpill and feminism in the game section of the forum but that talk is in relation to how it affects game so that guys understand why things are the way they are and more importantly they understand what actions to take based on the situations they are in. I can't speak for everyone in that section but most guys and 100% of my posts are about taking action or understanding a concept that can help someone improve versus 0% that are about complaining.

It's ironic that the redpill/feminism example gets used in a response to me. I've made many posts telling guys to stop complaining as much about women, accept their situation and focus on self-improvement. WIA came up with a theory about "too much red pill, not enough game" and I've talked about it more than he has. Everyone would think it was my theory if I didn't always mention that it came from WIA.

By the way, that is the same WIA that only posts in one thread now because he got sick of the politics.

(06-27-2018 12:07 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

Edited to add:
One of the biggest benefits to discussing topics such as politics/redpill/feminism is not for us to figure out some remedy but to challenge others who may come across those topic discussions. How else are you going to spread ideas if you don't talk about them? Will it change anything? Who knows, but I do see more and more people changing their minds on a multitude of topics. Change doesn't happen in a vacuum.

There is a benefit to discussing politics which is why many of us have said that it is reasonable to discuss politics in the politics forum and to discuss politics within reason in other forums.

The argument always has to be spun into an assertion that we want to ban all political discussion which we don't. We just want the obsessed and autist types to stop injecting politics into conversations where politics aren't needed or wanted by the majority of the guys in the thread.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-27-2018 01:36 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

By the way, that is the same WIA that only posts in one thread now because he got sick of the politics.

Well, that happens to all communities. I don't like a lot of the conversation topics taking place so I just don't post there. Politics have seeped into other topics but let's not get melodramatic and say it is happening as much as some are making it out to be.

Quote:

There is a benefit to discussing politics which is why many of us have said that it is reasonable to discuss politics in the politics forum and to discuss politics within reason in other forums.

The argument always has to be spun into an assertion that we want to ban all political discussion which we don't. We just want the obsessed and autist types to stop injecting politics into conversations where politics aren't needed or wanted by the majority of the guys in the thread.

I already agreed that it should be contained, but my statement was in response to you saying guys need to take action and basically shut the fuck up (that is how I perceived your post).

I don't see politics being interjected as much as many of the guys are making it out to be. I see it sometimes and we should do a better job of not doing so.

I have a feeling that some guys don't like the political stance of some. Especially guys that are on the rights side, politically speaking. And, when on occasion, someone brings that into a non-political thread they get bent out of shape even if it doesn't happen a lot. I have a hard time believing those that are getting bent out of shape are not reading the political threads and getting worked up. Otherwise seeing it occasionally in other threads wouldn't be such a big deal.

I'm not crazy about all the jew stuff but won't stop posting because others talk a lot about it. I don't see why the opinions of others would stop someone from posting. Seems lame to me and using that as a reason can come across as trying to control the topics that some like to discuss.

[Going strong]

(06-27-2018 01:25 PM)Stallion Wrote:  

Travel the world. Smash hot lizzards from all over the planet.
Skydive, scubadive with motherfucking sharks, climb mountains.
Do some safari in Africa and then sail in Croatia. Learn new languages.
When you get back home you'll realize all the bullshit you got so triggered about wasn't a big deal in the first place, it was all in your head.

So Going Strong, even though we strongly disagree, hope you don't take this post the wrong way.
I can be a bit harsh in my writing, plus English is my third language so sometimes I come off as more aggressive than I realize.

Travel the world. I did that, thirty countries and counting.

Smash hot lizzards from all over the planet. I did that, thirty lizzards and counting.


Scubadive with motherfucking sharks, climb mountains. I did not do that, I dislike unnecessarily dangerous and useless activities. Why would I swim with fucking sharks, or go on top of high mountains, being no fish and no bird myself? But, I did a lot of Alpine skiing and trekking in splendid locations.

Do some safari in Africa. I did that. Kruger Park, nice.

Learn new languages. I did that, speak four languages.


When you get back home And? When I went back home, I was (and am) still a right-winger, and my country still was (and is) over-run by Sub-Saharan migrants.

I don't know why many people think that traveling or scuba-diving or smoking pot or some, will make the problems plaguing our societies disappear. I mean, when I'm done traveling or fucking or skiing, I'm happy, but I can't help but notice that there is still the same migrant-invasion going on, and LGBT people all over the media. Problems have not disappeared while I was into some slippery pinky pussy or on some slippery snowy slope (and that's too bad, I would do even more fucking and skiing).

[Repo]

(06-27-2018 02:35 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

[quote='Stallion' pid='1809566' dateline='1530123904']

Smash hot lizzards from all over the planet. I did that, thirty lizzards and counting.

[Stallion]

(06-27-2018 02:35 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 01:25 PM)Stallion Wrote:  

Travel the world. Smash hot lizzards from all over the planet.
Skydive, scubadive with motherfucking sharks, climb mountains.
Do some safari in Africa and then sail in Croatia. Learn new languages.
When you get back home you'll realize all the bullshit you got so triggered about wasn't a big deal in the first place, it was all in your head.

So Going Strong, even though we strongly disagree, hope you don't take this post the wrong way.
I can be a bit harsh in my writing, plus English is my third language so sometimes I come off as more aggressive than I realize.

Travel the world. I did that, thirty countries and counting.

Smash hot lizzards from all over the planet. I did that, thirty lizzards and counting.


Scubadive with motherfucking sharks, climb mountains. I did not do that, I dislike unnecessarily dangerous and useless activities. Why would I swim with fucking sharks, or go on top of high mountains, being no fish and no bird myself? But, I did a lot of Alpine skiing and trekking in splendid locations.

Do some safari in Africa. I did that. Kruger Park, nice.

Learn new languages. I did that, speak four languages.


When you get back home And? When I went back home, I was (and am) still a right-winger, and my country still was (and is) over-run by Sub-Saharan migrants.

I don't know why many people think that traveling or scuba-diving or smoking pot or some, will make the problems plaguing our societies disappear. I mean, when I'm done traveling or fucking or skiing, I'm happy, but I can't help but notice that there is still the same migrant-invasion going on, and LGBT people all over the media. Problems have not disappeared while I was into some slippery pinky pussy or on some slippery snowy slope (and that's too bad, I would do even more fucking and skiing).

Are you from the US? You may have said it but I missed it.
I'm from Europe and haven't seen a migrant for months, to be honest.

That's what I'm talking about. Enjoying life and traveling doesn't make problems disappear.

But once you expand your horizons, you realize those problems aren't really problems, just minor, insignificant annoyances.


Anyways, that was the least important part of my post.

[Cobra]

So, worldwidetraveller, you made a post in the "Forum beef" thread and I responded to you below:

(06-26-2018 06:52 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 06:36 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-26-2018 05:44 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

Like I said, some men are not socially capable of ending a beef like the few are.


Now, am I going to extend this courtesy to everyone that I have a beef with? Nah. It's easy to tell if someone deserves harsh treatment versus respect.

Maybe the guy who didn't respond thought you deserved harsh treatment rather than respect. Judging others goes both ways.

My point wasn't to focus on judgment, but rather the tools used for that judgment. For certain forum members that tool is openness and judgment based on other's character whereas for other members it's judgment based on superficial and often political ideologies. I hope this makes sense.

And, now, I read this post below from earlier in the thread where you dissected birthday cat's post:

(06-27-2018 12:07 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 11:26 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  

One of the reasons I don't want to talk about politics redpill/feminism is because most political redpill/feminism people tend to talk incessantly about political redpill/feminism but take no action. The result is everyone getting stressed out but not doing a damn thing.

You guys are the political redpill/feminism experts. Tell us how we can stop wasting all this time arguing and do something that will make a difference.

Maybe there is a compromise here. Maybe more people will be receptive to your beliefs if you focus on actions we can take rather than arguing so much about politics redpill/feminism in threads where guys don't want to talk about politics redpill/feminism.

There are a lot of topics that could be substituted for politics in your post. You're going down a slippery slope with that line of thinking.

Edited to add:
One of the biggest benefits to discussing topics such as politics/redpill/feminism is not for us to figure out some remedy but to challenge others who may come across those topic discussions. How else are you going to spread ideas if you don't talk about them? Will it change anything? Who knows, but I do see more and more people changing their minds on a multitude of topics. Change doesn't happen in a vacuum.

So.... Allow me to dissect your view points. My point in the post made in the other thread noted above was to help you understand that the redpill can be contradictory to political stances, whether right leaning or left leaning. However, you came back here, after missing the point there, and substituted politics for redpill in here. It's almost like the point flew over your head, which at this point, I feel is more likely than not.

So, I'm happy to reiterate because I'm all for helping members become better versions of themselves. Redpill is about respecting others' character and making judgments based on that (like I said in the other thread and requoted above for effect). No matter the race, ethnicity or background of a person, people deserve a chance. Whether you are left wing or right wing, this view should not change if you're a redpill man. It's universal.

However, when you and some other guys jump into the political realm, this concept of people deserving a chance and judging by character, somehow disappears. That's why I used the word contradictory. You guys cite very broad reasons for the dissonance, including race, policy and immigration, conveniently ignoring redpill truths to fit the political narrative. In other words, if someone doesn't fit into that certain worldview, their character no longer matters and their accomplishments no longer matter. All that matters instead is your political framework, and how people fit into that political framework. Nothing else; I mean you're not even open to listening, like you proved above. This is the stupidest thought process in the world and you can feel free to try and prove to me otherwise.

To further elaborate, Political posters on this forum tend to substitute masculinity with right wing political stances. Believe me, at this point, you should realize fully that hard line right wing stances do not earn you a badge of "redpill man" just because it sounds good and you can be articulate about them. Rather, that type of respect has to be earned by pounding the pavement, either doing approaches, adding value regarding career and making money, or meeting other members and helping them. If none of these actions are evident from your posting, no one takes you seriously. This thread should be evidence to that.

Furthermore, this thread, while likely not moving in the direction OP hoped for (thank you Little Dark), also serves to expose the hollow and closed off minds of posters that use their political stance as a framework to judge others. I feel that there are other political junkies patiently waiting to see the direction of the thread before they post. Good thing is they may now realize that there is likely no use for them to make a valid point. To me, this is a good thing for the truly redpill men that have genuinely made their presence felt on the forum.

[Going strong]

(06-27-2018 02:48 PM)Repo Wrote:  

[quote] (06-27-2018 02:35 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

Smash hot lizzards from all over the planet. I did that, thirty lizzards and counting.

It's still thirty more than Dragan!

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-27-2018 02:58 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

To further elaborate, Political posters on this forum tend to substitute masculinity with right wing political stances. Believe me, at this point, your hard line right wing stances do not earn you a badge of "redpill man." This has to be earned by pounding the pavement, either doing approaches, adding value regarding career and making money, or meeting other members and helping them. If none of these actions are evident from your posting, no one takes you seriously. This thread should be evidence to that.

You seem to be fixated on what others think.

I could care less if you or anyone on this forum think I am a masculine redpill man or if you take me seriously. I don't post on here for recognition. I do so for enjoyment and will continue to do so regardless of you running around from thread to thread posting "we don't take you serious until you do this and that" nonsense. It's not difficult to ignore borish people.

[cascadecombo]

(06-27-2018 02:58 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 02:48 PM)Repo Wrote:  

[quote] (06-27-2018 02:35 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

Smash hot lizzards from all over the planet. I did that, thirty lizzards and counting.

It's still thirty more than Dragan!

Setting the bar high there.

[Cobra]

(06-27-2018 03:05 PM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

(06-27-2018 02:58 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

To further elaborate, Political posters on this forum tend to substitute masculinity with right wing political stances. Believe me, at this point, your hard line right wing stances do not earn you a badge of "redpill man." This has to be earned by pounding the pavement, either doing approaches, adding value regarding career and making money, or meeting other members and helping them. If none of these actions are evident from your posting, no one takes you seriously. This thread should be evidence to that.

You seem to be fixated on what others think.

I could care less if you or anyone on this forum think I am a masculine redpill man or if you take me seriously. I don't post on here for recognition. I do so for enjoyment and will continue to do so regardless of you running around from thread to thread posting "we don't take you serious until you do this and that" nonsense. It's not difficult to ignore borish people.

After you missing the point a few times, I wasn't truly holding my breath on having a civil discussion with you.

Furthermore, I actually do care about what others think. I just don't care about what you think. So, please feel free to think what you would like and I hope you continue posting your worldly thoughts. It still serves for excellent entertainment, at least for me.

[worldwidetraveler]

(06-27-2018 03:14 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

After you missing the point a few times, I wasn't truly holding my breath on having a civil discussion with you.

Furthermore, I actually do care about what others think. I just don't care about what you think. So, please feel free to think what you would like and I hope you continue posting your worldly thoughts. It still serves for excellent entertainment, at least for me.

You're hurting my e-feelings bro.

[AnonymousBosch]

(06-27-2018 11:01 AM)worldwidetraveler Wrote:  

I think most of us want everyone to enjoy themselves

Huh. This is exactly what I was told in the 70's by my short-haired, hippie teacher whenever I'd excel at anything. Since enjoying myself usually involved being intellectually-challenged in some way, I spent most of that year either reading up on my own interests in the library during what should have been class time, or the teacher would send nine-year-old me down to the shop to pick up her cigarettes - a 20 minute round trip without adult supervision. This is how liberals 'care' about people: simply remove anything that challenges their worldview.

Since I'm still annoyed by this kind of Priggishness - it's every librarian, english teacher, religion teacher and petty committee member I've ever met, but, accepting that this is the times, and this this kind of faggotry is now apparently-acceptable to Red Pill Men, I can see that I just have to accept that this kind of bitch behaviour is what 'masculinity' now is.

I can see my best course of action is then, to apply the Prigs own standards against them, and block every single person in this thread who is prescribing acceptable topics and behaviour. I mean, it follows logically, doesn't it? I just want to enjoy myself.

[AnonymousBosch]

Wow, people just vanish, and you don't have to hear their whining. I wish I'd done this years back with the Nautism Crew.

Bonus: pages load a lot faster.

   

Man, I could do this with all the Jordan Peterson fanboys next, so I don't have to keep wasting my time when they approach me with their problems. If they don't listen to me about him, then why listen to my advice on anything else? No more spending 12 fucking hours writing up a 30 page, 6 month training schedule for a user after they've been nagging me for weeks, on for them to then complain that it's too much information, and, when I say we can review his progress in two weeks, for them to vanish and never message me again.

[LEMONed IScream]

Why are there so many mountains of text regarding what essentially should amount to:

- Discuss politics in the Politics section and leave the others untouched by it? With the caveat that some countries (like Venezuela) have political situations that make travelling to the country a bit of an ... adventure, so naturally it has to be discussed in the travel section that way. I'd say there's too much drama with stuff that should be simple. Let's not be like women....

And let us also remember people can contribute on different things. I personally do not like offering input on subjects I am not at least moderately good at. Not a bad principle to have I suppose.

[General Stalin]

(06-27-2018 12:46 PM)asdfk Wrote:  

Most (not all) posters are the political equivalent of virgin Dragan giving advice on how to bang Serbian girls.

No political influence or responsibility, yet they know how the world should be run.

Guess what? Being a leader is fucking hard. Be it in business or in politics.

Democracy makes people delusional. It makes them think they are qualified to have an opinion. While the consequences never fall on their shoulders.

Political discussion = keyboard jockey unless you are actually a politician or exerting influence over the political process.

Off-Topic: I have received your PM's but have been unable to respond to you because you have reached your PM quota (inbox too full?)

thread-56245...pid1808213

Shoot me an email @ [email protected] or try deleting some PM's from your inbox.

[asdfk]

Yes, fucking, travelling and enjoying life do not make societal problems going away.

But bitching about those problems online doesn’t either.

The point is not that you SHOULD game or travel.

The point is that if you can do anything, anything else with your life then spend it complaining on a message board, I’d advise you to do that.

My grandpa had a stamp collection. He loved it.

Do I think stamp collections are totally lame?

Yes, tottally. That’s not the point.

The point is my grandfather liked collecting them and loved this activity.

[Going strong]

(06-27-2018 04:21 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(...)

Good to see you here, Koba . I mean, this political thread wouldn't be complete without some legendary communist Head of State dropping by. It's an honor, tovarich Iosep!

And, any opinion or advice on current politics, dear leader ? What do you think of the Trump-Kim meeting, for example? After all, you personally planned the devastating invasion of Korea, back in May 50...

Also, I bet that you, tovarich Koba, are proud of the forum members who criticize the politicization of the forum, as I remember that you once decreed that all people interested in politics (except the politburo) were clinically schizophrenic and should be locked in mental hospitals.

Yes, you read that all right: in the former Soviet Union, if you displayed an interest for politics and the search for truth, you were diagnosed with Sluggish schizophrenia; I bet many "apolitical" members here have already diagnosed me with this scandalous, anti-communist disease.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sluggish_schizophrenia

[birthday cat]

(06-27-2018 03:47 PM)AnonymousBosch Wrote:  

   

Hell yeah, I made the all-star team.

[worldwidetraveler]

birthday cat -> cat -> catamaran -> nautical -> NASATESTPILOT -> Leonard

[uncledick]

I don't get how one could be left wing in the modern sense and be a member of this board without being a covert shill. The red pill is right wing to its core (again in the moden politiical sense) so is the mansophere and everything this board represents. Everything we discuss from travel to game to everything else, would get us lynched figuratively and literally if we said them out in the open in the societies we live in. So bring and let the politics thrive, as its the root cause of all the problems that brought us here in the first place. I could see some members not liking some of the conversations that take on scared cows, like JQ or POC issues. But if the poster has reasonable points, backed up with some evidence, im still all for it. I think the diversity will suffer somewhat ( hard truths do that), but i think most of us would be friends in real life, because we are all in this shitehole of a civilization together. Divided we fall and all that..