Quote: (06-12-2018 07:28 PM)Delta Wrote:
Just about everything on here is geared toward racking up notches via degenerate sluts.
You must be living under a rock because that's hardly the case, there's a Family forum specifically for finding 'the one' and honing a mindset toward that.
"You can't eat filet mignon every night, you gotta eat a cheeseburger every now and then"
It will surprise you but degen sluts aren't even the easiest. They play the most games because they're in the game 24/7.
Quote: (06-13-2018 12:34 AM)Delta Wrote:
When I say "quality," I mean girls who are young (mid-20's at most), vibrant, fit, have a good head on their shoulders, and haven't had their pair-bonding mechanism fucked out of them by men who were obviously out of their league. What notch count does that typically correspond to? I'd estimate that anything north of 3-4 is heading for serious trouble.
Needless to say, such girls are a TINY minority on swiping apps or at the club.
Let's scratch the surface.
Women and girls are interchangeable in this post but are not the same thing.
re: quality
You ain't really going to find a 'quality' girl under 25. This is controversial on this forum but really, you will find a hot, beautiful woman who is a slab of rock.
That rock is waiting for Michelangelo (you) to come and chisel it in to a beautiful sculpture.
That's the under 25s for you. They're raw, full of potential but you need to be a quality guy to direct that chisel and bring out the best in them.
I wrote in depth about LTRs (link at the end of this post) and how to find a quality woman. It starts with yourself.
Figure out what constitutes a quality woman but don't borrow standards from the forum or your friends.
re: watering holes
Probability-wise, you will meet more 'down to earth' girls outside of Tinder and clubs. That being said, I have met some absolute quality girls in clubs, who happened to be part of a hen party or just out with their friends for a special occasion. Not a weekly thing. I met a beautiful 26 year old off Tinder, just out of a relationship, last week.
Your usual places apply; grocery stores, malls, gym, yoga clubs, dinner clubs, meetup.com events, dog training lessons; the list goes on and on and on.
Abstain from going to these places with expectations though because it's obvious, insincere and (surprise) chicks will test you like a motherfucker.
I discussed this with another RVF member over a call, most women who are high quality are taken and they only have a 1-3 month time window where they are single before getting into another relationship.
Figure out where they congregate.
Surprise, a lot of them are out clubbing or being social because that was absent in their relationship. Being able to be out and hit on by men, they crave it.
Such girls have a 'track record' of pair bonding (as per poster above) but they also come in with their own baggage and hardwiring; it's a double edged sword.
If you're worried about notch counts, then that's an issue.
If it turns you off, that's natural, in the start.
Surely you have bigger things to worry about?
Surely, to attract a high quality woman, you need to be high quality yourself, that you are not insecure?
Figure out your standards and be honest about them; don't let them form through insecurity.
This shit sounds like The Secret but if you are top 1% of men (swagger, confidence, looks, bankroll, network, VIBE) then these women will seek you out, find you.
I will go to a conference or a meeting and an attractive woman will usually come and sit next to me. Dinner clubs, the same. Bars? Same shit. Coffee shop? Yep, they're perimetering.
There's passive and active.
You're focusing on the active and that's good but don't be so anal about what constitutes a high quality woman.
A high quality woman appears when you are high quality. I know plenty of guys who don't have game with women but they have their shit in order and know what they want. Their mission is beyond the woman. Guys are doing it this way, without 'game' per se.
Notches and all that jazz is meaningless, you're just stressing over shit that's happened and not part of your master plan.
Screen accordingly and your barometer is your barometer but be realistic and accept that most women over 21 have notch counts of at least 8.
Stop worrying about where to meet quality women.
Stop going to the same places as it seems you're unhappy there.
Stop having expectations of women where you go to places (outcome dependence).
Start increasing your value and notice them become more available and increase in numbers.
Start going to various places or opening girls 24/7.
Start building your social circle and fuck many more girls so that their notch count is insignificant.
A lot of this shit is luck and probability. You need to have your timing down, be game-aware enough to recognize the opportunity and to have a killer instinct to lock down a quality girl when the time comes.
Most guys view this shit through survivorship bias due to some guys striking out early on with girls who ended up being good.
Credit to them as well, they ended up being the Michelangelo to the rock.
Women reach their potential with a high quality man so focus on that shit instead.
LTR post and thread