[getdownonit]

I would like to know the answer to this as much as the next guy, but it's an impossible question to solve.

Say you're 45 now. A 20 year old girl in 2018 vs a 20 y.o in 1998 are very different - mindset, culture, etc.

There are more promiscuous women today, of all ages, and those women are easier to access due to online. Anonymity online helps too. Today a 45 year old can connect with that girl much more easily than back in the day, and just being in contact is half the struggle with the 18-22s.

[a beer is enough]

(04-25-2018 06:01 PM)RDF Wrote:  

I'm in my mid-20s and the majority of girls I bang are in that age group. Have yet to be turned down for being too old, albeit I can't grow a beard to save my life so I look younger. So for now, all looks good.

For the younger guys though, I will say this: While you can absolutely bang girls in this age group for a long time assuming you stay in shape, what becomes notably more difficult upon graduating college is access. If you're not doing online, you need to go out of your way to meet these girls, whether its going to more college-type bars, day gaming on campus, etc. When you're in college, all you need to do is show up. So take advantage of that.

I found that in order to get the hottest girls or quality in that demographic when you were in college, you had to have some status. Most of the times these girls were concerned about what their social circles thought of them hooking up with some random guy and were often focused on going for a guy around their age with status.

It is my issue with the 18-22 demographic most of the times, if you want top tier quality, you are generally going to lose as an older guy especially if she already comes from a middle class or higher family. Money is not much of a concern for these girls and they care more about status and popularity, which in their world is a rich frat guy or an athlete.

What I found the easiest about game after college was that women cared more about your overall value such as looks, game, lifestyle and all of that as opposed to what crew you ran in or what frat you were in. I think this is why game gets so much easier for some men as they get older, their true value starts to matter more than how popular they are or what social circle they can get to admire them. It is part of the reason why I tend to stay away from college towns in regards to game.

[a beer is enough]

To add a more positive spin to it though, I do think that under special circumstances, older guys can get quality in the 18-22 age range but they have to come off as cool. A lot of these girls would readily go for Dan Bilzerian because he is the symbol of the kind of lifestyle their social circle (especially the guys in it) look up to but they won't go for most guys over 30.

If an older guy has that cool factor going for them in a way these girls could relate to, he should be golden. Dan Bilzerian would be able to pull this off because for some reason, college kids look up to him and frat guys want to be like him. Even your average older guy making lots of cash who comes off as boring would have a tough time because he doesn't have that cool factor associated with him.

I think that the number one thing needed in order to clean up with this demographic, at least in the western world, is cool factor and popularity. Problem is most guys will look at popularity and think it is a dumb high school game so they are out of the running. Other guys will often get what is popular wrong and just come off as condescending and snotty to these girls, making them see you as their dad. The guys that clean up with this demographic and get quality are just cool in how they relate to people and get the language of the "in crowd" which girls at this age are obsessed with.

[RexImperator]

I have a hard time believing a guy in his 40's can bang a girl in her early 20's. That is just so alien to my experience.

[Jack Gignac]

people into game often say oh girls don't have sex easily cuz ASD, slut-shaming, status-consciousness etc.

reality is though it's very easy to hookup discreetly if someone wants to.

not sure if it's evolutionary that they don't think it's possible too hookup with whoever they want without social shame OR having someone that ticks the box socially is an attraction switch. Or a bit of both.

[doc holliday]

(05-03-2018 03:25 PM)zoom Wrote:  

(05-03-2018 11:44 AM)Jack Gignac Wrote:  

(05-02-2018 03:36 PM)zoom Wrote:  

The guys in this thread who say that it gets easier in your 40s are doing Seeking Arraignment. That doesn't count and you are misleading people who run actual game, not sugar dating.

from my skimming of the older guys 40+ thread it doesn't seem like the guys who voted 40+ in this poll were the same ones seeking arrangements unless I read wrong?

Some of the older guys commenting in this thread do Seeking Arraignment. I didn't check the poll.

Freudian slip or actual typo?
Whichever, I agree. Most guys 40+ aren't walking into a bar and pulling these youngsters with any sort of regularity.

[a beer is enough]

(05-05-2018 07:20 PM)Jack Gignac Wrote:  

people into game often say oh girls don't have sex easily cuz ASD, slut-shaming, status-consciousness etc.

reality is though it's very easy to hookup discreetly if someone wants to.

not sure if it's evolutionary that they don't think it's possible too hookup with whoever they want without social shame OR having someone that ticks the box socially is an attraction switch. Or a bit of both.

You have a point but I find that a lot of quality women in 18-22 age range have more options around their age group than you might initially think.

Sure, the average guy in their age range is awkward, lacks game and hasn't grown into his looks yet but the average older guy is also out of shape, has kinda given up on life, tied down with marriage and not really all that himself.

Most of these girls have enough good looking and cool guys around their age range to pick from who are fun and can offer them what they are looking for to consider entertaining other options. Exceptions exist as usual though, if a guy has game and is a cool guy he can smash if these girls are on a summer internship or traveling.

[RDF]

(05-05-2018 03:28 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I found that in order to get the hottest girls or quality in that demographic when you were in college, you had to have some status. Most of the times these girls were concerned about what their social circles thought of them hooking up with some random guy and were often focused on going for a guy around their age with status.

It is my issue with the 18-22 demographic most of the times, if you want top tier quality, you are generally going to lose as an older guy especially if she already comes from a middle class or higher family. Money is not much of a concern for these girls and they care more about status and popularity, which in their world is a rich frat guy or an athlete.

What I found the easiest about game after college was that women cared more about your overall value such as looks, game, lifestyle and all of that as opposed to what crew you ran in or what frat you were in. I think this is why game gets so much easier for some men as they get older, their true value starts to matter more than how popular they are or what social circle they can get to admire them. It is part of the reason why I tend to stay away from college towns in regards to game.

I agree with this, but it's worth remembering that the hottest girls in any demographic, especially ages 18-22, are always going to be hard. Status/popularity in college isn't difficult to make happen. Joining a decent fraternity, playing on a sports team, or slanging some weed isn't especially hard to do, and any of those combined with good casual style and a fun attitude will get you pussy in college. It's a lot easier than making millions of dollars and playing the sugar daddy game (there's obviously many other reasons to make lots of money, but just making a point).

In America, judging from my experience and what I have seen, the average girl is totally fine with a 5-year age gap, and up 10 years is doable as well. Beyond that, it becomes more challenging, and for the average girl you need to have immense status. Yes, Dan Bilzerian or Leo DiCaprio can pick his choice of college hotties to fuck, but we're not either of them.

Note that there is definitely niches of girls that go for older guys in any country. But these are the minority, and finding them is not exactly easy.

[a beer is enough]

(05-05-2018 09:38 PM)RDF Wrote:  

(05-05-2018 03:28 PM)a beer is enough Wrote:  

I found that in order to get the hottest girls or quality in that demographic when you were in college, you had to have some status. Most of the times these girls were concerned about what their social circles thought of them hooking up with some random guy and were often focused on going for a guy around their age with status.

It is my issue with the 18-22 demographic most of the times, if you want top tier quality, you are generally going to lose as an older guy especially if she already comes from a middle class or higher family. Money is not much of a concern for these girls and they care more about status and popularity, which in their world is a rich frat guy or an athlete.

What I found the easiest about game after college was that women cared more about your overall value such as looks, game, lifestyle and all of that as opposed to what crew you ran in or what frat you were in. I think this is why game gets so much easier for some men as they get older, their true value starts to matter more than how popular they are or what social circle they can get to admire them. It is part of the reason why I tend to stay away from college towns in regards to game.

I agree with this, but it's worth remembering that the hottest girls in any demographic, especially ages 18-22, are always going to be hard. Status/popularity in college isn't difficult to make happen. Joining a decent fraternity, playing on a sports team, or slanging some weed isn't especially hard to do, and any of those combined with good casual style and a fun attitude will get you pussy in college. It's a lot easier than making millions of dollars and playing the sugar daddy game (there's obviously many other reasons to make lots of money, but just making a point).

In America, judging from my experience and what I have seen, the average girl is totally fine with a 5-year age gap, and up 10 years is doable as well. Beyond that, it becomes more challenging, and for the average girl you need to have immense status. Yes, Dan Bilzerian or Leo DiCaprio can pick his choice of college hotties to fuck, but we're not either of them.

Note that there is definitely niches of girls that go for older guys in any country. But these are the minority, and finding them is not exactly easy.

You're going to need some serious status in college and it isn't as easy as it may seem, at least if we are talking big state schools. These girls aren't going for guys in any normal frat, they are going for guys in the top tier old row frats and getting a bid there is not easy, in many cases you have to be a legacy.

As for sports teams, if we are talking Division 1 schools, good luck getting a chance if you are not athletically gifted assuming you are going for sports that are popular. Colleges take the sports seriously and want the most athletically gifted people on their teams, usually those that were top players in high school.

As depressing as I might make it sound though, if you are a guy who is naturally good at social status games and knows how to play them, you can do this without being in a top tier frat or a sports team. One good way is to get a bartending job in the local town where a lot of these girls are sure to party hard once they become upperclassmen.

I would argue that it is actually a lot easier to get the best looking women past the age of 22 because if you look good, have a nice paycheck coming and an interesting lifestyle, you'll get lucky here and there. You don't have to play as many complicated social status games or try hard to appear "cool" in order to pull it off either, women care more about what you are rather than what crowds like you.

Now I get that some guys were late bloomers and missed out on college pussy, go ahead and shoot your shot by all means, but it isn't as easy as many make it sound. I think this whole girls liking older guys thing is kinda overplayed.

[SeaFM]

I was 36 the first time a girl bounced as soon as she found out my real age. She was 23.

[Fortis]

I find that this demographic has gotten easier and easier as I've gotten older. What do 18-22 year old guys have that I don't? They're not as smart, experienced, interesting, well-traveled or any of the other things that an older dude brings to the table.

I'm 29 but I regularly find that as I've aged I've gotten more and more attention from younger women.

[pargan]

Interesting topic since I'm currently in the 18-22 age range. Has anyone came across 18 year old girls that think 22 is to old? I've seen some talk in this thread on individual posters experience more so focused on their game. But what age do you think an 18 year old would start being put off by? Would it be 22, 25, 30?

[a beer is enough]

(05-06-2018 01:28 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I find that this demographic has gotten easier and easier as I've gotten older. What do 18-22 year old guys have that I don't? They're not as smart, experienced, interesting, well-traveled or any of the other things that an older dude brings to the table.

I'm 29 but I regularly find that as I've aged I've gotten more and more attention from younger women.

Big fan of your posts man but from what I have experienced with the 18-22 year old demographic, they are not into the smart worldly guy. A lot of them seem to go crazy for the dumb loud party boy type or the meathead. Like they don't seem to care all that much about where you have been in the world or what you say, they just care about how wild you are, how popular you are and what parties you can get them into.

[Rang off the Pipe]

18-22 in the west is not the same as 18-22 in other parts of the world I would imagine. I get the impression a lot of the behavior being mentioned in the last few posts is from you're typical college-aged girl in a western country like the US. These girls often have plenty of options...kind of like their older counterparts. The college bubble just magnifies that effect.



The way I see it, it doesn't really matter if you can't consistently get laid with college students if you're consistently getting laid elsewhere. Let's not put these girls on pedestals just because they're of a younger age and living in an illusion that will disappear once they get a piece of paper known as a diploma.

[scorpion]

Whether you're older or right in that age range yourself, it's never easy to get attractive 18-22 year old girls because they're literally living in a different reality. Their experience and understanding of life is fundamentally different from that of both older men and the guys their own age. They're at the peak of their sexual attractiveness and have basically zero responsibilities. They have vague notions about getting married and having kids in the future but "not until I'm like 27 or 28" (this may as well be another lifetime away to them). So you're dealing with girls who are living entirely in the present moment. Everything is about how it makes them feel in the moment and how their friends and social circle reacts to what they're doing. There's a level of groupthink and conformity going on that men just can't wrap our heads around. (This is why pre-selection is so huge for this age group especially. If one girl of high status in a social group gives you her stamp of sexual approval, you immediately have it for every other girl of equal or lower status in the group). Social media has amplified these natural tendencies a great deal. Now, these women are constantly obsessed with the image they are projecting of themselves on social media. Everything they do - the clothes they wear, the parties they go to, the pictures they post on social media, the guys they date - has to conform with the image of themselves they want to portray in their social circle.

So basically what this tells us is that if you want to date 18-22 year olds, you have to tailor your look, vibe and lifestyle to match the sort of man that a specific 18-22 year old would want to accessorize her life with. The easiest way to generically do that these days given the state of Western culture and assuming you're an older guy outside of that 18-22 age range is to signal a few bad boy bonafides (i.e. tattoos, dangerous hobbies, a muscular physique) while also dressing more stylishly and showing off wealth and status markers that 18-22 year old guys can't match (i.e. exotic travels, high brow social connections, an interesting and adventurous lifestyle). Essentially, you must be the sort of guy that an 18-22 year old girl would want to show off on her social media pictures. Because that's basically what she's looking for: a man she can use as a prop in her photos to prove what a cool lifestyle she's living and make her friends jealous. The other option for older guys is to run SA style/borderline P4P "daddy" style game, which will certainly appeal to a subset of 18-22 girls. That's been explored in a few threads already.

But essentially, with an 18-22 year old girl you're dealing with a creature with the attention span of a gnat, zero sense of responsibility and delusions of having infinite sexual options and no pressing time table to settle down. As an older guy trying to catch the attention of a girl in that bubble is very difficult. You've really got to stand out in her mind in some way. You've got to hook her with something before she gets bored and moves on to the next shiny thing in front of her. If you're a younger guy it's much easier: you simply model your image to match that of the dominant guys of the social group the girls are in. If you're a 19 year old college guy who wants to date sorority girls, then join a fraternity and start dressing and acting like the high status fraternity guys those girls are interested in. If you're a 21 year old guy who loves fitness chicks, get in really good shape and become a high status guy at the gyms you go to. If you're into alternative/scene girls, start a band or get into show promotions and become high status in that niche. And so on. It's easier for younger guys because you're of the same age to be moving naturally in her social circles. You just need to move up within those hierarchies.

So basically, getting 18-22 year old girls boils down to:

1) If you are also 18-22 (or thereabouts): successfully portray yourself as man of high status within a girl's particular social scene.

2) If you are older than 18-22: successfully portray yourself as being an extremely cool older guy who is firing on all cylinders in life, to such a degree that you manage to overshadow (at least temporarily) the guys in her immediate social circle.

Needless to say, #2 is much more difficult than #1, which is why it's rare to see even a cool-looking, wealthy 40 year old guy dating a smoking hot 19 year old. Meanwhile, you can go to any popular college bar in the country and find half a dozen examples of a goofy looking college guy with an absolute smokeshow on his arm. Why? Because she doesn't know any better - her experience is too limited. All she knows is that guy has high status within her peer group, so she finds him attractive. His actual ranking compared to every other man in the world is irrelevant. All that matters is his relative ranking in the bubble in which her social group resides, because that is all she knows.

[The_e_man]

Scorpion - absolutely bang-on.

Purely anecdotal here, but I'm turning 25 this year and I almost exclusively bang girls in this demographic (18-20 would even be more accurate).
As every years go by, I find it easier and easier to bed these women. When I was 18 myself, I would hardly ever get the attention of these girls.
Now that I'm 24, I have a notch count somewhere in the 200 area and a majority of these girls were 18-20 at the time I banged them.

Girls definitely like older guys, and at 24 I don't think I'm at that "creepy" old guy stage yet.
My guess is once you start nearing 30, like being 28 or so, then you are venturing close into "creepy old guy why is he in a night club" territory. And from there, as Scorpion said, you gotta be KILLING IT in many difference facets (or be very very handsome) to be wheeling these younger birds.

[a beer is enough]

Always been a fan of Scorpion's posts even when I was lurking this place, dude knows his shit!

Thread has been my favorite so far on this forum but there are a couple more things I want to elaborate on.

1. Everyone seems to under-estimate the value of younger guys that do get these girls, it is not that easy even when you are 18-22 because of this very reason.

A lot of these guys are good looking, no homo, and also come from well off families themselves so that is why money is never an issue for these girls, they don't care for it, they have it and so do guys around their age that they chase. Joining a top tier fraternity is not that easy because they pre-select men based on looks and appearance, you'll see how a lot of these frats are either full of old money or guys who have top tier looks and charisma. She can easily have a guy her own age who is good looking, charismatic and drives a fancy car his rich parents brought him while being on the path to a nice career.

These girls have options and they know it, that is why they are so tough to game for most men even if they are their own age. You have to have value and the guys who get these girls have value whether it is in the form of coming from a family with money or being attractive. Hang around some of the guys in a top tier frat, you'll find that a number of them can be quite alpha and are a far cry from the stereotypical pussy-whipped millennial guy.

This is why it bothers me when so many guys say there is no competition in the 18-22 age range, go to any major party school, you'll find plenty of competition. There is a reason for a lot of guys to get these girls back when they were in college and it isn't just because of their game not being strong enough.

2. What really destroys older guys is that they think they are better than the lifestyle these girls live, look down on it and attempt to help these girls "mature". It is the very thing that makes these girls run the other way because they do not want to date their dad.

Dan Bilzerian could get these girls because he does not hate the lifestyle their social circles worship, he is the embodiment of it. Now look at the typical guy in his 30s who thinks he is too cool to have a drink, go to places with loud music, party and tries to play the "mature card". It drives a lot of the top tier girls from this age range away because their goal is to have fun, party and enjoy life. I feel like for this reason alone, most older guys will struggle with this demographic.

Every now and then you do get an older guy who is not only good looking but naturally fun, he just "gets it" (eg: Dan Bilzerian) and that is the kind of older guy these girls generally want to be around. They don't want the older guy who is around swearing off alcohol and complaining about loud music, they want the older guy who is fun.

I am not saying older guys should throw their lives away and live like a college kid getting a taste of freedom but they should keep this sort of thing in mind. It is why I have mainly seen older guys in the nightlife and service industry have some success with the better looking women of the 18-22 age range, because they are "fun" to these girls.

At the same time, you can come off as a try-hard when you try and fit in with their crew too but going after top tier girls in their age group is tough in the western world so you have to try and get creative here.

[Montrose]

(05-02-2018 03:46 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(05-02-2018 03:36 PM)zoom Wrote:  

The guys in this thread who say that it gets easier in your 40s are doing Seeking Arraignment. That doesn't count and you are misleading people who run actual game, not sugar dating.

No moral / value judgement but I agree its an important distinction to make for purposes of accuracy / information integrity in this thread.

(04-25-2018 11:09 PM)Montrose Wrote:  

I’m in late forties and it has gotten easier every year. I voted 40-45 because I haven’t reached 50 yet.

Montrose. Where are you meeting most of your "prospects"? Online, cafes, work, etc? I know youre in France but Im curious

Sorry didn’t see your question

Tinder, okcupid, street daygame, craigslist. I never pay for sex (But I pay dinner and cocktails, and it’s sometimes expensive)

[Montrose]

(Cross posted from another old guy thread - seems to be an obsession here)

Girls I fucked in 2017 (I was 47):

25 (daygame)
27 (okcupid)
20 (tinder)
35 (craigslist)
28 (tinder)
24 (tinder)
23 (tinder)
24 (daygame)
26 (okcupid)
21 (okcupid)
24 (tinder)
18 (okcupid)
22 (tinder)
24 (tinder)

[getdownonit]

(05-06-2018 01:28 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

I find that this demographic has gotten easier and easier as I've gotten older. What do 18-22 year old guys have that I don't? They're not as smart, experienced, interesting, well-traveled or any of the other things that an older dude brings to the table.

I'm 29 but I regularly find that as I've aged I've gotten more and more attention from younger women.

Spot on.

More than a few girls I've been with have told me how good it feels to be with a 'man' if I'm the first older guy they've been with. They might be sluts, but they just haven't had any romantic experience with a man, they're surrounded by boys all day at school and those are the guys they usually get with. These guys typically don't know how to treat a woman or even how to bang as well as you or I do. Experience makes a man.

[DonnyGately]

(05-05-2018 06:01 PM)RexImperator Wrote:  

I have a hard time believing a guy in his 40's can bang a girl in her early 20's. That is just so alien to my experience.

The last 5 years have taught me otherwise, before I would have agreed with you. Case in point, met a girl at a bar Fri night who graduated in 2014, she texted me to come out for drinks tonight. Figure I got a 50/50 shot.

Many if not most girls don't really care if you're older as long as you're outside their social circle. It's gotten easier for me every year after 40 and I'm far from the only one here.

[DonnyGately]

Daddy-style/taboo game is nothing like p4p SA-escorting. They shouldn't be in the same sentence.

If you're not paying a girl, it doesn't matter whether you meet her on POF/OKC/SA/Tinder/FB/IG. It's all the same.

[wonderman]

My whole life turns around finding younger girls (and older milfs). It wasn't that difficult back in my early 20s. It is very difficult now at 36. For example on Tinder. I get (only) around 2-3 new girls per day to swipe on Tinder (my age range is set to 18-24). And some of them are fake. Live in Zurich, a 500k city, so you see how few girls at that age are indeed interested in meeting a 36 year old guy (guess not more than 2-3% set the age range so that a 36y old guy is included).

Daygame unfortunately isn't easier. I approached so many girls betw. 16-20, got so many numbers, but maybe only 5% of those numbers converted into a date. And only few dates converted into sex.

Everything changed in Lloret de Mar last summer, where I was able to fuck 4x in 5 nights (and if I remember correctly, 2 were under 20).

[pargan]

(05-07-2018 06:25 PM)wonderman Wrote:  

My whole life turns around finding younger girls (and older milfs). It wasn't that difficult back in my early 20s. It is very difficult now at 36. For example on Tinder. I get (only) around 2-3 new girls per day to swipe on Tinder (my age range is set to 18-24). And some of them are fake. Live in Zurich, a 500k city, so you see how few girls at that age are indeed interested in meeting a 36 year old guy (guess not more than 2-3% set the age range so that a 36y old guy is included).

Daygame unfortunately isn't easier. I approached so many girls betw. 16-20, got so many numbers, but maybe only 5% of those numbers converted into a date. And only few dates converted into sex.

Everything changed in Lloret de Mar last summer, where I was able to fuck 4x in 5 nights (and if I remember correctly, 2 were under 20).

What age would you say it got harder for you to get younger girls. Also why do you feel Lloret was easier? Do girls just not care much over there and are in party/fuck mode constantly? Also do you feel like girls are open to older guys more so when they are traveling to somewhere like Lloret?

[wonderman]

(05-07-2018 06:29 PM)pargan Wrote:  

(05-07-2018 06:25 PM)wonderman Wrote:  

My whole life turns around finding younger girls (and older milfs). It wasn't that difficult back in my early 20s. It is very difficult now at 36. For example on Tinder. I get (only) around 2-3 new girls per day to swipe on Tinder (my age range is set to 18-24). And some of them are fake. Live in Zurich, a 500k city, so you see how few girls at that age are indeed interested in meeting a 36 year old guy (guess not more than 2-3% set the age range so that a 36y old guy is included).

Daygame unfortunately isn't easier. I approached so many girls betw. 16-20, got so many numbers, but maybe only 5% of those numbers converted into a date. And only few dates converted into sex.

Everything changed in Lloret de Mar last summer, where I was able to fuck 4x in 5 nights (and if I remember correctly, 2 were under 20).

What age would you say it got harder for you to get younger girls. Also why do you feel Lloret was easier? Do girls just not care much over there and are in party/fuck mode constantly? Also do you feel like girls are open to older guys more so when they are traveling to somewhere like Lloret?

For me it got much, much harder in my 30s.. so many girls would have been interested but told me it's the age.. (what would their friends thinks etc). I have 20y of daygame experience, so it's quite easy for me to adapt, to start a conversation with a 17year old girl, but I don't look like 26 anymore. Unfortunately not only am I 36, I also look like 36 . If only I was 26 again.. I'd say you can still have most of the girls when you're 26. But 26 or 36 is almost a day and night difference.

Yes, of course girls are more willing to fuck a stranger at a party place. They have a different mindset. However, it's not easy. I approach almost every girl in a club/on the dancefloor. I easily approach 40-50 girls during a whole night. So at the end, although some girls ended in my bed, it was hard work.

Good n8