[Thug Muffin]

I'm going with the pet shop opener and I'm wondering if I got her stopped and standing there do I just go through the steps and ramble on?

I've had two girls take out their phones and actually try to help me. Should I assume that these girls are at least somewhat interested in talking to me?

Also when they have out their phones I'm telling them why I'm looking for a pet store. After that if they're still standing there should I just go directly into why I'm there asking them about the pet shop to see how responsive they are to continue the conversation?

[Roosh]

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I've had two girls take out their phones and actually try to help me.

Yes this is a great sign actually. It means she's in no rush. While she's searching on her phone just go along with how hard it is to find a pet shop. Girls do something similar with the "where's this train going" opener as well, where they lead you to the map.

If she's doing this she has no idea if the pet shop she's looking in google maps or wherever has what you're looking for. So you can continue the ramble... "Have you been there before? Do you know if they have fish?.... I'm looking for a fish that... One time I went in a pet shop and they only had so and so."

If she gives you an address don't just say "Okay thanks" and let it end. Keep rambling until she puts her phone away. Then you can finish the pet store ramble and drop your first big bait.

Bottom line is to play along and squeeze in your ramble regardless.

[The_CEO]

Roosh-Do you advise sticking to elderly chat openers and rambling even if you're getting strong IOI's (strong eye contact), etc? I'm guessing you can say that i'd be ok to deviate from that as soon as you get the personal question, etc

[Roosh]

I always stay open indirect and go elderly. If the girl really does like me, she can ask her personal question and then I can quickly shift gears.

[Oblivion77]

(09-25-2011 03:33 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

I always stay open indirect and go elderly. If the girl really does like me, she can ask her personal question and then I can quickly shift gears.

Just a quick line to say I just finished Day Bang, in 2 days. A Goldmine!!!
Now is time to assimilate the principles - especially the rambling without going personal until she bites - and then, game-on!
Bravo Roosh!!!

EDIT: Thinking about elderly game and trying to appear clueless I might develop a limp, Kaisersauze-style, until I really believe to be an old man

[dk902]

It took me a while to get into the Pet Shop opener line for example, because it wasn't really something that enthused me.

However if you can get to the point and develop your own line, or ramble about something you know a lot about, it makes a hell of a difference. E.g. I can spend all day rambling about public transport and stupid observations, but it took me a while to ramble about pets, after many approaches.

Rambling used to be my sticking point, despite being a very chatty guy, I used to not try and keep the girl there. Now it's a natural reflex, to reinforce this to myself, I adapted a well known Muhammad Ali phrase:

"Ramble young man Ramble."

[Donald Duck]

I'm also reading the Galnuc part right now but I am having trouble with rambling. I don't know how long I can ramble but I can only go on for 1 minute maximum.