Quote: (02-04-2018 01:14 PM)VincentVinturi Wrote:
@Fisto - it's got nothing to do with Trump.
It's much more sinister than that.
Anybody who sees anything remotely wrong with Tom Brady kissing his son in this most natural, fatherly manner is a brainwashed moron.
I kissed my father, my mom, my brother, my grandma, my cousins on the lips and on the cheeks my whole life, and I still do in my 30s.
I must admit, the level of subversion in Western society is amazing.
They've managed to poison the well of all male heterosexual relationships (friend-friend; son-father; teacher-student; mentor-mentee) by somehow conflating love, brotherhood and affection with near-sodomy and pederasty.
The word "creepy" has been instrumental in this particular act of subversion, as it has with the male-female dynamic.
Orwell, himself, couldn't have conceived of a better piece of Newspeak. R.I.P. George, you're in a better place old boy.
At the same time, the most perverse, degenerate, emasculated form of gay cuckery is shoved in everyone's face and peddled as normal male behavior.
I suppose it's normal for your son to walk down his middle school hallway holding hands with a gay boyfriend while at the same time eschewing your fatherly affection.
I'm lucky to have grown up in a post-soviet enclave in the US where true friendship existed among males.
My closest male friends are Russian/Ukrainian, French, South African, Norwegian, and three American guys (one who is actually Filippino and the other two who were of course in the military).
In most cases, and outside of perhaps the service, you simply won't approach a genuine level of intimacy and brotherhood with the average American man because he's been beaten into submission and too scared that it will cross the line into homosexuality and reveal HIS latent gayness.
Sure there's pillow biters laying in wait for their opportunity to strike, but the the overall effect of course, is to disband the incredible strength and power of male friendships and brotherhood which is a source of strength, accountability and courage in men.
Fuck this world, I'm going to go re-read The Three Comrades and toast a glass of scotch for brotherhood, wherever thou might be found.
^^^
I'm suspicious of the "intimacy" of the Brotherhood because it isn't any surprise how much low key faggotry happens in those closed environments. It is a natural magnet for predatory men and confused boys who help to undermine the healthy brotherhood aspects of it.
I only ever heard of faggy stories of dudes touching each other from boarding and military camps. As a kid growing up those types of places scared the hell out of me as I thought they were pervert factories. As an adult now I understand it was overblown a bit but there is still a large disproportionate amount of faggotry that happens in those settings.
I would hear of jerk off parties and other fucked up shit. "Boys will be boys" .. sure .. nobody has been able to explain why that stuff happened aside from tossing it as "boy behavior", I'll never understand it.
The truth is it's like 1 in 20 men that have bisexuality tendencies. These men are subversive and tend to gravitate towards those closed brotherhood environments. There is a reason many cultures would promote healthy brother relationships but would have staunch safe guards to protect boys for perversion. This is why homo behavior was shamed as it was to be outed and exposed so these men would not be able to be predators to other boys. In my culture you would get banned from the town of you were caught partaking in that behavior as it was not safe for the boys. That is viewed as medieval here in today's West but it is one of the ways these places remain staunchly red pill and patriarchal.
Brother relations are healthy and there is beneficial need for healthy Brotherhood bonds. Even on a very crude and basic level, every dude has done dumb shit like spit roast, or sloppy second a girl with thier Bros and there isn't remotely sexual about it in a male - male context. The warmth of brother relations isn't sexual but it is fair to be suspicious when folks whom are predatory try to subvert the healthy brother relationships for their own gain.
Again it is largely culture for the most part.
One other example is how North American always share food and drink. Sharing spoons and forks. It's is quite disgusting and I always look like the "strange one" when I don't want to stick a random fork in my mouth that has been passed around a table into 4 various mouths. That is how colds and flu spreads and I hate getting sick so I'll always pass. This came from my childhood as my family never did this as everyone always had thier own food and taking someone else's food was frowned upon. As I shave grown older I have soften on this only for parents and thier children. Taking a bite out of your child's sandwich for example dosnt seem bizarre to me as that is literally your flesh and blood. With non family hough, gross, no way. Agian, this is culture and folks may think I am strange but that was how I was raised.
Back to main point. Brother relationships should be prompted. Still to this day my favorite time was saying football and having the brotherhood of that team. I care for all those dudes who I broke bones and sweat with. For nerds to rich jocks we all got along and had a deep level of respect for each other. This is something all men should be able to experience at least once in thier lives.
My take is that all forms of brotherhood bonds have been shunned so many dudes grow up with zero exposure to healthy brotherhood bonds. There is indeed s recall to brotherhood warmth but we should still be careful that we are only promoting the best aspects of it as there are many predators that want to exploit it.
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