[HankMoody]

(12-02-2017 04:12 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

I think the last update killed okc. I uninstalled.

Coffee meets bagel is decent after they added video and tinder is OK. I’m in nyc and 5’10

Day game is great.

WeWork is the best thing that ever happened to day game.

You have a good excuse to talk to every woman, and most of them are smokeshows.

Best of all -- your competition is millennials.

[Suits]

(12-02-2017 05:58 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

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If I remember correctly, you decided to avoid women altogether.

Not true- I talk to them all the time in my normal everyday interactions. Just not going out of my way to find them as I'm too busy.

You know what I'm talking about. On June 23rd of this year you started a thread entitled, "42. Never really had a girlfriend. How would I get one?"

Over the course of five pages, the RVF community graciously poured out volumes of helpful advice.

In the end, despite everyone's considerable effort to help you successfully sleep with a woman, you decided to give up on women for the time being and simply be an incel.

Nobody here is saying that you literally never interact with any woman ever. The statement I was making in my post was that you at this point are refusing to make an effort to succeed sexually with women.

[Hammerhead]

I've been having similar problems with online dating. I've mainly been using The League, but this happens on Bumble as well. Haven't tried Tinder in awhile, but the last time I used it there were tons of fat ugly women who looked like they belonged in a trailer park. I've have over 30 matches on The League right now, but:

1.) A lot of times the girls show up looking WAY worse than their photos. I've started just doing the first date at a coffee shop right near my apartment so I don't have to waste time or money sitting at a bar with a troll.

2.) If I do go on a second date with them, they are very diligent and wont have more than 1 drink. And definitely won't go back to my apartment.

3.) Girls will not put out even after many many dates. I went out with a girl 6 times and she still wouldn't come into my apt. I went out with another girl 10+ times. She did come hang out at my place and get somewhat intimate, but was adamant about no sex. I let this go on because she said she had a boyfriend for 13 years previously and had only been with him. She just ghosted me now though.

I've been with 100+ girls, so trying to figure out what's changed.

Age: I'm 34, I only rarely match with girls under 28. Maybe these older girls are husband hunting. I would even be fine with a girlfriend at this point, but the girls are making it impossible.

Location: I'm in Austin, which is full of SJWs. Usually a 50% chace the girls will bring up some "soft" feminism at some point during the date. When traveling to other cities I seem to have better luck.

Have the feminists been telling girls to hold out for dozens of dates now? Is this some sort of hangover from all the hooking up that tinder caused when it first came out?

I'm interested if you guys have had similar problems and what you think I could do to fix this. I used to clean up with night game, but I don't really have the energy for that anymore. Also it seems like the bars have 9 guys to 1 girl these days. Not a really good ROI.

I really like the tip about WeWork. Going to check it out. I need to do something as this is driving me nuts.

[Mess O.]

Hank, tell us some more about WeWork. Never heard of it until this thread.

[TheBMan]

(12-03-2017 06:03 PM)Hammerhead Wrote:  

I've been having similar problems with online dating. I've mainly been using The League, but this happens on Bumble as well. Haven't tried Tinder in awhile, but the last time I used it there were tons of fat ugly women who looked like they belonged in a trailer park. I've have over 30 matches on The League right now, but:

1.) A lot of times the girls show up looking WAY worse than their photos. I've started just doing the first date at a coffee shop right near my apartment so I don't have to waste time or money sitting at a bar with a troll.

2.) If I do go on a second date with them, they are very diligent and wont have more than 1 drink. And definitely won't go back to my apartment.

I'm curious what age ranges are doing the best. I'm 40 but look younger and can easily pass for younger so I say 36 on the apps but wonder if that is still too high. Part of me thinks girls have an idea range somewhere around 32 and arent open to vary since they have so many options.
3.) Girls will not put out even after many many dates. I went out with a girl 6 times and she still wouldn't come into my apt. I went out with another girl 10+ times. She did come hang out at my place and get somewhat intimate, but was adamant about no sex. I let this go on because she said she had a boyfriend for 13 years previously and had only been with him. She just ghosted me now though.

I've been with 100+ girls, so trying to figure out what's changed.

Age: I'm 34, I only rarely match with girls under 28. Maybe these older girls are husband hunting. I would even be fine with a girlfriend at this point, but the girls are making it impossible.

Location: I'm in Austin, which is full of SJWs. Usually a 50% chace the girls will bring up some "soft" feminism at some point during the date. When traveling to other cities I seem to have better luck.

Have the feminists been telling girls to hold out for dozens of dates now? Is this some sort of hangover from all the hooking up that tinder caused when it first came out?

I'm interested if you guys have had similar problems and what you think I could do to fix this. I used to clean up with night game, but I don't really have the energy for that anymore. Also it seems like the bars have 9 guys to 1 girl these days. Not a really good ROI.

I really like the tip about WeWork. Going to check it out. I need to do something as this is driving me nuts.

[HankMoody]

(12-03-2017 06:39 PM)Mess O. Wrote:  

Hank, tell us some more about WeWork. Never heard of it until this thread.

I should probably do a post about this when football isn't on...

WeWork is shared office space. It's designed for small businesses, or big businesses who want a flexible location in a major city. You can sign up for a membership that is just access to the common area, or have a physical office big enough for one person, or a ton more (mine is a two person office but I use it just for me. However, Microsoft has a 50 person office in my city). WeWork provides common area workspace, conference rooms, plus physical office space to businesses. It's as much or as little as you want. Apparently you can even get a day pass -

https://www.wework.com

As a small business owner, real estate investor, and attorney, I used to have more traditional office space. Large physical offices, a dedicated conference room, a waiting room, a supply room, etc. Cost me $3k a month. However, the space was occupied by just me and my staff. Every single day it was the same people - the people I pay to work for me.

WeWork basically takes a bunch of small businesses, and some large businesses, and provides them with a place to work, a common area to chill, and networking events. They have locations in every major city in the world.

Basically, imagine having your own private office. You know, reliable internet, a door that shuts, a speaker, your computer, filing cabinets, printing services, scanning services, etc.

But when you walk outside of your physical office, it's a space full of people, and tons of hot chicks. The common area provides free beer, free coffee, and fruit infused water. Now imagine 50 other businesses in the same location, many of which are owned or staffed by women. The common area is like working from a coffee shop, except you have printers, tech support, and free beverages. My home office also has a "game room" with a dart board, pool tables, foosball tables, etc.

It's like I work for Google, except I run my law practice out of there instead.

You also have every reason to approach every single woman there without being creepy...

"Hey, I've seen you around. What do you do?"
"I'm a graphic designer who focuses on the medical profession."
"Oh really? That's cool. A bunch of my clients are doctors. Let's grab lunch next week. Here's my card."

If you're bored, you can go work from another WeWork office. For instance, they have four spaces (soon to be five) in my city. You overgamed the women at your home office? Go spend a month working from another office. When you get back there will be a new supply.

Plus you'll see the women you want to talk to at networking events, which are almost always catered. You have tons of new businesses coming and going, meaning the pool of women never becomes stale.

In terms of the pool, it's like 65% hot single chicks who either own small businesses or work for a small business. They all come dressed to the nines, too. Your competition is mostly millennials who show up in jeans and t-shirts, or non-executive level employees of mid-sized corporations.

This is day game on easy mode.

Plus, you'll meet a lot of business connections.

Bonus: I pay under $1k a month for my space. It's exactly as much as I need, and the perks are unbelievable. I have my big speaker, standing desk, file cabinets, phone, printer, scanner, postage machine, stationary supplies, and artwork. My office is well decorated and incredibly functional.

And I can run day game pretty much all the time.

[Steelex]

IMO, online dating is 100 percent about looks. The only reason you even read a girls profile is to try and come up with a good message and guage how easy it'll be to bang her.

Girls are only reading for disqualifiers. Your looks are the qualifier.

The closer you are to average, the less action you're going to get. This is because there actually are a LOT of good looking guys on these sites flaunting their shit. Rich guys, tall guys, built guys with tats, rich tall guys who are built with tats, ect...

If your claim to fame is that you look good in a button down and have a picture with you and your golden retriever, you better step your shit up because you're not even in the same league as the guys who are crushing it on there.

There are guys on these sites who mow through these girls like it's a full time job. It's kind of unreal.

[HankMoody]

(12-04-2017 12:30 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

IMO, online dating is 100 percent about looks. The only reason you even read a girls profile is to try and come up with a good message and guage how easy it'll be to bang her.

Girls are only reading for disqualifiers. Your looks are the qualifier.

The closer you are to average, the less action you're going to get. This is because there actually are a LOT of good looking guys on these sites flaunting their shit. Rich guys, tall guys, built guys with tats, rich tall guys who are built with tats, ect...

If your claim to fame is that you look good in a button down and have a picture with you and your golden retriever, you better step your shit up because you're not even in the same league as the guys who are crushing it on there.

There are guys on these sites who mow through these girls like it's a full time job. It's kind of unreal.

Hence, why it's a apparently waste of time for a guy like me.

One less thing to waste focus on, I suppose. Though I do miss picking up a few new plates here and there on OKC. It was easy.

I do agree that online dating has shifted to almost entirely looks with respect to men. Be tall, get jacked, have tats, and slay poon online at will. God bless ya...

[MaceTyrell]

Know of a self described unattractive, black male who is KILLING it online. Has photography skill, so understands how to portray himself attractively/build an attractive online presence.


More how you compose yourself online, as opposed to “base attractiveness.”

[RockHard]

(12-02-2017 04:26 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

WeWork is the best thing that ever happened to day game.

^ This is fucking genius right here. The followup is pure gold:

(12-03-2017 11:28 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(12-03-2017 06:39 PM)Mess O. Wrote:  

Hank, tell us some more about WeWork. Never heard of it until this thread.

I should probably do a post about this when football isn't on...

Seriously, guys, if you have the option to work at home, and you want to run day game, why would you work at home?

[RexImperator]

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$1k a month

That's $12,000 per year for something you could do for free from a home office, unless you need the professional meeting space for clients, etc.

[Putin Closes]

(12-04-2017 09:45 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

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$1k a month

That's $12,000 per year for something you could do for free from a home office, unless you need the professional meeting space for clients, etc.

This. $12,000 a year to hit on some chicks sounds like a poor financial decision unless you were planning on having client meetings there anyways / have employees work at an actual office.

That being said, if you have enough money, and was already renting a pad somewhere else sounds like a nice little niche exploit.

[HankMoody]

(12-04-2017 09:45 AM)RexImperator Wrote:  

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$1k a month

That's $12,000 per year for something you could do for free from a home office, unless you need the professional meeting space for clients, etc.

I can't run my law practice from home. I need a space to get mail, shred stuff, conduct depositions, meet clients, store files, etc. In my opinion, it's nearly impossible to run a civil litigation practice from home. I also don't want clients knowing where I live, because they will often show up unannounced. My office space is a necessity; the ability to run day game is an added perk.

On a personal level, working from home kind of sucks. It's lonely, it's quiet, and there's temptation to sleep all day, not get dressed, and be a total schlub. For weeks at a time. I find that I'm not very productive when I work from home.

In terms of cost, I end up profiting from my WeWork membership due to referrals and contacts. Even on days when I could work from home, I never do because the cat doesn't exactly send me a lot of business. Just this morning I walked in, plopped down my laptop, and I've already had three people ask me lawyer questions.

For me, the $12,000 a year I spend is worth every cent professionally. The ability to run day game while I work is an awesome bonus (I'm actually sitting across from a broad and trying to game her as I write this).

If you don't have the physical office needs that I do, there is a membership option for $250 a month that allows you access to the common areas, conference rooms, etc.

[Mess O.]

(12-04-2017 12:30 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

Rich guys, tall guys, built guys with tats, rich tall guys who are built with tats, etc...

Agreed, but goddammit, I'm still gonna hammer away at it anyway. And we've seen the shot of Steelex on the weightlifting thread, so he knows what he's talking about.

[Eddie Winslow]

(12-03-2017 06:03 PM)Hammerhead Wrote:  

I've been having similar problems with online dating. I've mainly been using The League, but this happens on Bumble as well. Haven't tried Tinder in awhile, but the last time I used it there were tons of fat ugly women who looked like they belonged in a trailer park. I've have over 30 matches on The League right now, but:

1.) A lot of times the girls show up looking WAY worse than their photos. I've started just doing the first date at a coffee shop right near my apartment so I don't have to waste time or money sitting at a bar with a troll.

2.) If I do go on a second date with them, they are very diligent and wont have more than 1 drink. And definitely won't go back to my apartment.

3.) Girls will not put out even after many many dates. I went out with a girl 6 times and she still wouldn't come into my apt. I went out with another girl 10+ times. She did come hang out at my place and get somewhat intimate, but was adamant about no sex. I let this go on because she said she had a boyfriend for 13 years previously and had only been with him. She just ghosted me now though.

I've been with 100+ girls, so trying to figure out what's changed.

Age: I'm 34, I only rarely match with girls under 28. Maybe these older girls are husband hunting. I would even be fine with a girlfriend at this point, but the girls are making it impossible.

Location: I'm in Austin, which is full of SJWs. Usually a 50% chace the girls will bring up some "soft" feminism at some point during the date. When traveling to other cities I seem to have better luck.

Have the feminists been telling girls to hold out for dozens of dates now? Is this some sort of hangover from all the hooking up that tinder caused when it first came out?

I'm interested if you guys have had similar problems and what you think I could do to fix this. I used to clean up with night game, but I don't really have the energy for that anymore. Also it seems like the bars have 9 guys to 1 girl these days. Not a really good ROI.

I really like the tip about WeWork. Going to check it out. I need to do something as this is driving me nuts.

This has been my experience exactly. I have 40-50 notches of my own. I've only had two new notches in 2017 despite my game, looks, fitness, and income being at an all time high. Nightgame has been my bread and butter as well, although there are so many mixed and large groups out nowadays it's super difficult to separate them from their friends. Especially alone, which is how I usually go out.

Daygame, particularly aggressive and direct daygame like the London guys do, is the future. At least for me.

[Chiosboy90]

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So many girls are just gaming tinder for attention and validation. If they don't want to give out the number, just move on. There are plenty of girls on there that are still DTF, you just have to punch through the timewasters to find them. This strategy has netted me lots of numbers, dates, and bangs.

I know that dude. I even wrote I get the number 20minutes after. But I'm tired to do those silly games. I don't have time to be a clown to every girl just to get her number. I have like 90 phone numbers in my phone from Dating Apps. I'm too burned out to get something going. It's too much of competing with the other 150 guys. Day game for me now. I flirted with a Bartender last week and it was sooooooooo much more fun. The guys in the group I went out starred at me and I loved it. I love the: "Dude you got her number? What did she say? Damn dude didn't know you are THAT guy" blah blah. And actually writing with this girl I cold approached is 50 times more relaxing than those Tinder skanks.

[TheBMan]

(12-04-2017 12:30 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

IMO, online dating is 100 percent about looks. The only reason you even read a girls profile is to try and come up with a good message and guage how easy it'll be to bang her.

Girls are only reading for disqualifiers. Your looks are the qualifier.

The closer you are to average, the less action you're going to get. This is because there actually are a LOT of good looking guys on these sites flaunting their shit. Rich guys, tall guys, built guys with tats, rich tall guys who are built with tats, ect...

If your claim to fame is that you look good in a button down and have a picture with you and your golden retriever, you better step your shit up because you're not even in the same league as the guys who are crushing it on there.

There are guys on these sites who mow through these girls like it's a full time job. It's kind of unreal.

Goes back to my theory - the top 1 or 2% are feasting on a pussy buffet the rest of us cant possibly imagine

[LowerCaseG]

Back to the height talk, if you are 5'8'' or under and with a chick comparable or taller it signals that you have a huge cock.

[eradicator]

(12-02-2017 04:26 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(12-02-2017 04:12 PM)eradicator Wrote:  

I think the last update killed okc. I uninstalled.

Coffee meets bagel is decent after they added video and tinder is OK. I’m in nyc and 5’10

Day game is great.

WeWork is the best thing that ever happened to day game.

You have a good excuse to talk to every woman, and most of them are smokeshows.

Best of all -- your competition is millennials.

The best part of wework is that they have IPA beers on tap in the office. "Hey do you want to grab a beer after work" doesn't cost me anything if she works in a wework office.

[Putin Closes]

If your over 30 create a new account and set your age to late 20s if you can pull it off. Seems like 30 is a arbitrary number girls in their young 20s put or even lower. I know I set mine at 27.

And the girl you cold approached probably has tinder if she's in the west. Fact of life these days. If location independent might want to move somewhere tinder is not popular such as Japan.

If a girl online ain't putting out by date 2/3 means she's probably getting side dick. Id put my tinder ONS rate vs 2nd date at 90 percent. Either I bang or dont get the bang.

It's not top 1-2 percent probably around 20 percent which means if you learn how to make an awesome profile through compelling pictures gives you a reasonable chance to be in that top 20. You definitely don't need to look like Dwayne Johnson.

[HankMoody]

(12-04-2017 06:07 PM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Back to the height talk, if you are 5'8'' or under and with a chick comparable or taller it signals that you have a huge cock.

Being with any hot chick signals you have a huge cock.

[Steelex]

(12-04-2017 05:20 PM)TheBMan Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 12:30 AM)Steelex Wrote:  

IMO, online dating is 100 percent about looks. The only reason you even read a girls profile is to try and come up with a good message and guage how easy it'll be to bang her.

Girls are only reading for disqualifiers. Your looks are the qualifier.

The closer you are to average, the less action you're going to get. This is because there actually are a LOT of good looking guys on these sites flaunting their shit. Rich guys, tall guys, built guys with tats, rich tall guys who are built with tats, ect...

If your claim to fame is that you look good in a button down and have a picture with you and your golden retriever, you better step your shit up because you're not even in the same league as the guys who are crushing it on there.

There are guys on these sites who mow through these girls like it's a full time job. It's kind of unreal.

Goes back to my theory - the top 1 or 2% are feasting on a pussy buffet the rest of us cant possibly imagine

100%

Even the top 10% does decent. The real question is how many girls will the top 10% bang out?

The answer: All of them.

It's simple math. If there are 100 girls and 400 guys, then you need to be in the top 25% of guys to even be on the field, and that puts you down there with some girls at the bottom of that 100.

Now granted this is just some that ol' autism math, but it's not that far off from reality. The point being, girls have a fuck ton of choices and even a mediocre girl can get some bad boy dick if she wants. I know I've crushed a FUCKING BOATLOAD of 5's from POF just to kill some time.

[Chiosboy90]

Almost every girl I have talked to had at LEAST one experience with a Ryan Gosling looking one night stand from Tinder. Even some overweight piggy.

Now, how many fat man do you know that banged a 9/10 on Tinder? Hell, I don't even know one man that fucked a 9 or 10 on Tinder. Most guys and me included, had chicks between 6-8. But for those top 10 percent man, they live in the best time in human history to get laid. Hell, sitting on the toilet while you pipeline those hotties. *jealous"

[BadgerHut]

(12-04-2017 07:13 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

(12-04-2017 06:07 PM)LowerCaseG Wrote:  

Back to the height talk, if you are 5'8'' or under and with a chick comparable or taller it signals that you have a huge cock.

Being with any hot chick signals you have a huge cock.

I imagined you saying this in David Duchovny's voice and lol'd.

[meetjoeblack]

(11-29-2017 09:09 PM)HankMoody Wrote:  

So, here are my questions...

1. Is OkCupid dead?

2. I've never had an online dry spell like this.

I'm doing fine with my regular array, but I'd like to bring more into the mix... plus my regular array keeps getting older.

1. A lot of fatties use dating profiles. I pulled a girl who used Match but, her mom paid for it (age 23 lol). Tinder is hotter but, even better is Bumble.

Your not above attention whores. Nobody is. I've pulled quite a few college girls and many will show they got outrageous amount of matches. I am talking, even war hogs and trolls have 400 + matches. Never met in their life but, for ego validation and boost, they keep them. Simple process of hookup or NEXT SET meaning, unmatch. Don't give the attention whore the validation.

2. NOBODY IS ABOVE DRYSPELLS SON! Only ever met one player who never had a dryspell and A) he is model B) He has ZERO STANDARDS

It is probably as good a time as any to go through some of your old pickup programs. Refresh new pics, change up bio, and get new tactics/material. tinder is full of bots and whores. I mean, women who are paid escorts even.

Bumble imho is a better alternative. She matches, must msg or it unmatches meaning, she must at the very least msg you once. If she goes ghost or no contact, NEXT SET.