[Tim in real life]

http://abc7news.com/travel/passports-to-...23093480=1

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Frequent fliers who take international trips know to bring along their passport, but what about just for traveling around the country?

Beginning early next year, the REAL ID Act will tighten requirements to fly, and some states' driver's licenses might not make the cut.

Here's what you should know about the act.

What is REAL ID?

The REAL ID Act mandates what kinds of IDs can be used to access federal facilities, enter nuclear power plants and board federally regulated aircraft, in order to increase security in these areas. This means that, once the act goes into full effect, your state-issued ID must be compliant if you want to use it to board flights, including domestic.

How do I know if my state is affected?

Currently, a little more than half of states are compliant. If you live in one of these states, you can keep using your state-issued ID to fly. All other states are under review or have been given an extension. Residents of those states may have to use other forms of identification when the act goes into effect.

Didn't this come up years ago?

The REAL ID legislation was passed by Congress in 2005. Since then, the Department of Homeland Security has been working with states to review state-issued IDs and decide which are REAL ID-compliant and what changes need to be made.

When does it take effect?

If you live in a non-compliant state, you can keep using your driver's license to fly domestically until the grace period ends on January 22, 2018. Some states have an extension and you can keep using it until October 1, 2020.

Editor's note: States that are currently "under review," such as California, may have plans to make REAL IDs available before the end of the relevant grace period or extension date.

Will I really need my passport to fly domestically?

If your state is not compliant by the end of its grace period or extension, you will need to fly with a different form of identification that is TSA-approved. You would need a passport unless you have a different form of accepted ID, such as a U.S. military ID. See the full list at the bottom of this factsheet.

https://www.tsa.gov/travel/frequently-as...ons#realid

If you are planning to fly using a passport and don't yet have one, start planning soon. Routine processing can take up to 6 weeks.

This is gonna suck for various reasons. This obviously limits mobility, especially when this will make moving out harder, all the while increasing bureaucracy.

[Mage]

This would not be required in a homogenous country with tight borders and with high social trust.

The more fearful people become of terrorists and rape culture and psychotic virgin mass shooters and other bogymen, the worse will it get. Prepare in future to need a passport for entering all public transportation, buses, metro, trams also supermarkets and government buildings.

[GlobalMan]

As the article says, what is required is an ID that is Real ID compliant. If your state drivers license/ID is not, then you would need to use a passport instead, it's not that a "passport will be required" as the clickbaity title suggests. Most states will be compliant by the deadline or their extension deadline. Some states aren't generally compliant but you can opt to get a drivers license that is Real ID compliant. This has been in the works for years and is no surprise.

On the one hand I do not like more government and the transition is a hassle for some, but on the other hand having to provide birth certificate, SSN etc in order to obtain a state drivers license or ID will limit illegals' ability to get ID.

The U.S. is unique in that our drivers license is considered valid stand alone identification and proof of state residency, accepted everywhere, yet in most states you do not need to provide much in the way of supporting documents to prove who you are to get one. Right now you can enter the country illegally and go to a handful of states and get a drivers license with ease and you now have a valid ID for virtually any use.

So, it makes sense that the process to obtain this universally accepted ID would require more proof of identity to get. I think citizens of most other countries would find nothing odd about having to prove who you are in order to get a valid identification card.

[Repo]

Yeah they updated my license to be compliant years ago. Their updating licenses to be compliant as they expire. Complete clickbait.

[Number one bummer]

Let me know when you need an ID to vote.

[Bluto]

(10-20-2017 04:40 PM)Mage Wrote:  

This would not be required in a homogenous country with tight borders and with high social trust.

The more fearful people become of terrorists and rape culture and psychotic virgin mass shooters and other bogymen, the worse will it get. Prepare in future to need a passport for entering all public transportation, buses, metro, trams also supermarkets and government buildings.

Indeed, and as seen in Belgium, the lines will become the target themselves. The only way to stop this is an end of immigration from countries that implicitly support terrorism.

(10-20-2017 04:57 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

On the one hand I do not like more government and the transition is a hassle for some, but on the other hand having to provide birth certificate, SSN etc in order to obtain a state drivers license or ID will limit illegals' ability to get ID.

I will believe it when I see it. How else would the Dems be able to steal elections from now on?

In addition to the issues that have been stated with government intrusion on a citizen to travel, which I agree, I also have a problem in that I have already provided these documents to my state when I first received my license. Now I have to basically prove to my state who I am every time that I get a new license. This goes more than an intrusion of privacy, but rather a lack of confidence.

[GlobalMan]

(10-20-2017 05:33 PM)Bluto Wrote:  

In addition to the issues that have been stated with government intrusion on a citizen to travel, which I agree, I also have a problem in that I have already provided these documents to my state when I first received my license.

I didn't have to provide any of those documents to get a drivers license, in two separate states. You did though. That's the what's being addressed, making the required proof of identity standardized.

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Now I have to basically prove to my state who I am every time that I get a new license.

Where are you seeing that? The renewal process will be the same as it is now everywhere- You bring your current valid drivers license/ID in and pay a fee, sometimes getting a new picture. I don't know of any state which requires you to resubmit the initial identity documents at license renewal. That only happens if your license has expired, otherwise you are not getting a "new" license and that is not required.

Yes, when you first obtain the compliant ID you'll have to provide those proofs, and some people like you might have had to already (in which case your state ID might already be compliant, you should check), but such a circumstance is not the same as proving who you are "every time" you get a new (renewed) license.

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This goes more than an intrusion of privacy, but rather a lack of confidence.

I'm as privacy conscious as anyone - my condo is in the name of a trust, an anonymous NM LLC owns my car, for example - but I don't find it any extra intrusion that in getting a valid identification card I have to prove who I am. I think it's pretty amazing that we've gone this long with the current lax requirements actually.

I often find that those who get most outraged over stuff like this ID thing are the same people who have their name in the phonebook, every piece of property, car, phones and utility services registered in their real name, a Linkedin, Facebook, etc etc. If you are concerned about privacy there are likely far more important aspects being ignored than having to prove who you are in order to get a DL/ID card, which changes basically nothing regarding privacy in the grand scheme of things.

I think some are still being swayed by the clickbait. You are not being required to have a passport to fly domestically, and you are not being required to show ID at more places, or different places.

What is happening is that you need to prove your identity in order to get a universally accepted identity card, which is not the case in many states currently.

This has nothing to do with showing ID to enter a grocery store, and the line to show ID being bombed.

[Roosh]

Surprise surprise: you don't get a passport if you owe the IRS taxes. That law was pushed two years ago.

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On December 4, 2015, the Fixing America’s Surface Transportation Act, or "FAST Act," became law. The purpose of the law was to provide long-term funding for transportation projects, including new highways. However, the Act also included a significant new provision which allows the Department of State (sometimes just called "State Department") to yank passports from delinquent taxpayers.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/kellyphilli...cd1ae69bc2

Now we see the end game. You will not be able to travel by air anywhere if you have a dispute with the IRS.

[Bluto]

(10-20-2017 05:59 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

(10-20-2017 05:33 PM)Bluto Wrote:  

In addition to the issues that have been stated with government intrusion on a citizen to travel, which I agree, I also have a problem in that I have already provided these documents to my state when I first received my license.

I didn't have to provide any of those documents to get a drivers license, in two separate states. You did though. That's the what's being addressed, making the required proof of identity standardized.

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Now I have to basically prove to my state who I am every time that I get a new license.

Where are you seeing that? The renewal process will be the same as it is now everywhere- You bring your current valid drivers license/ID in and pay a fee, sometimes getting a new picture. I don't know of any state which requires you to resubmit the initial identity documents at license renewal. That only happens if your license has expired, otherwise you are not getting a "new" license and that is not required.

Yes, when you first obtain the compliant ID you'll have to provide those proofs, and some people like you might have had to already (in which case your state ID might already be compliant, you should check), but such a circumstance is not the same as proving who you are "every time" you get a new (renewed) license.

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This goes more than an intrusion of privacy, but rather a lack of confidence.

I'm as privacy conscious as anyone - my condo is in the name of a trust, an anonymous NM LLC owns my car, for example - but I don't find it any extra intrusion that in getting a valid identification card I have to prove who I am. I think it's pretty amazing that we've gone this long with the current lax requirements actually.

I often find that those who get most outraged over stuff like this ID thing are the same people who have their name in the phonebook, every piece of property, car, phones and utility services registered in their real name, a Linkedin, Facebook, etc etc. If you are concerned about privacy there are likely far more important aspects being ignored than having to prove who you are in order to get a DL/ID card, which changes basically nothing regarding privacy in the grand scheme of things.

I think some are still being swayed by the clickbait. You are not being required to have a passport to fly domestically, and you are not being required to show ID at more places, or different places.

What is happening is that you need to prove your identity in order to get a universally accepted identity card, which is not the case in many states currently.

This has nothing to do with showing ID to enter a grocery store, and the line to show ID being bombed.

To answer your question, I just got my license renewed over a month ago, and the DMV specifically told me that license that they are re-issuing to me will not be valid to use at the airport check points after 2019. They told me that I needed to come back before then with all of my documentation (SSN, Birth Certificate, Passport, etc.) in order to get a new license that will be approved by the TSA, and of course pay a fee for a new ID. It was actually a selling point, which is fallacious as most people don't bring this documentation for a renewal. They had no problem re-issuing me a license at the time so that I could drive in their roads, however.

This is my problem with all of this. I already provided all of this documentation in 1997 when I got my first license. We are talking about the same damn state that I got my first license, and I never moved out of state officially.(PM me if you want to know the state) I have already proved to this state that I am a citizen of this United States 20 years ago and have not changed my residency since then, why do I need to once again? It is redundant that I need to do this once again without proper cause of loosing a license.

I am sure that I can buy booze at the local ABC store with this ID for the next seven years, but the Federal Government in the form of the TSA wont allow me to board a plane to go anywhere come 2020 without another form of ID, or a new Drivers License.(Luckily I have a Passport) Honestly, right now I am not sure if I am more pissed that I need to needlessly stand in line at the DMV in the next two year, or that I need to give them all of my documentation once again.