[Andreas]

(09-12-2011 11:28 AM)Wizard Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 07:11 AM)Andreas Wrote:  

That's a river of info provided by torontokid but i feel mentally tired after reading. I was reading and so many pictures came to my mind. For someone who is starting out in highschool its excellent. But for someone like me who only has 2 years ahead only, it kind of makes me feel lazy. Even if i haven't spoke to a lot of guys in my school i feel like i had known them forever. Watching them do the same idiotic things all the time doesn't make me feel like i want to befriend them.

I don't care about them, i won't ever meet them again after highschool anyways.

Plus by the end of the year i can drive anywhere i want with my dad's toyota and start the practicing the real deal of Game. I will be able to go out by MYSELF without any idiots who are just very ignorant of game. How i will make friends? Make a connection with a random guy who shares the same Alpha male mentality in a public gathering and my social life will be just fine. How hard can it be?

Excellent you kind feel kind of lazy, now do me a favor and grab your balls and explain to them you shall be celibate for the next two years.

Do you think just because you leave high school that the same idiots will suddenly disappear? Do you think that college is going to be any different? Do you think your only going to be me making friends with other alphas?

I hate to sound harsh, but you need to slap yourself out of those delusions right away. The world is going to be filled with idiots, and so many betas that it's sad.

I can not stress enough the value of learning the game in high school, and taking advantage of that. Learning the ability to be a social chameleon will enhance your entire life. It doesn't matter if your backpacking through Europe, or your at a college campus.

There are always going to be social groups wherever you go, and being able to influence, and join them is going to be a major ticket for poon, and success.

But I can't make you.

In the end all advice in the world can't make a person change, and stay hungry. In my experience everybody needs to look inside himself, and find a reason to stay motivated, and hungry. It's always unique to the individual person, but it takes that kind of motivation to stay on the path.

Mostly because this shit isn't easy, it takes a lot of commitment and time. Like everything in this world, learning the game has a price but in my experience it's well worth it.

This is of course just my two cents, do with it as you will.

How come you didn't do it when you were at highschool? Is it because you didn't know?
I know why i feel lazy and took the advice for granted. I didn't feel any pain so far. I'm drowning in comfort zone. I bet you any money though that i'm not the first one who heard this kind of advice. And many people who had the same opportunity as me did not took advantage of it untill they really got slapped in the face by life. One day i will regret for not following your advice but it will be too late and i'm gonna have to start from scratch. Then i will probably advice another kid to follow this advice but he probably won't do it either......

[Gmac]

(09-12-2011 12:07 PM)Andreas Wrote:  

How come you didn't do it when you were at highschool? Is it because you didn't know?
I know why i feel lazy and took the advice for granted. I didn't feel any pain so far. I'm drowning in comfort zone. I bet you any money though that i'm not the first one who heard this kind of advice. And many people who had the same opportunity as me did not took advantage of it untill they really got slapped in the face by life. One day i will regret for not following your advice but it will be too late and i'm gonna have to start from scratch. Then i will probably advice another kid to follow this advice but he probably won't do it either......

Do you realize how lucky you are to have discovered game and this forum so early in life? Wake the fuck up and do something about it or you won't ever change.

*Tick Tock*

That is the sound of your life running out.

You're also wasting other helpful people's valuable time by ignoring the very advice you sought out to begin with.

[Andreas]

(09-12-2011 12:15 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 12:07 PM)Andreas Wrote:  

How come you didn't do it when you were at highschool? Is it because you didn't know?
I know why i feel lazy and took the advice for granted. I didn't feel any pain so far. I'm drowning in comfort zone. I bet you any money though that i'm not the first one who heard this kind of advice. And many people who had the same opportunity as me did not took advantage of it untill they really got slapped in the face by life. One day i will regret for not following your advice but it will be too late and i'm gonna have to start from scratch. Then i will probably advice another kid to follow this advice but he probably won't do it either......

Do you realize how lucky you are to have discovered game and this forum so early in life? Wake the fuck up and do something about it or you won't ever change.

*Tick Tock*

That is the sound of your life running out.

You're also wasting other helpful people's valuable time by ignoring the very advice you sought out to begin with.

YESSS captain. If you stress so much that it's important i will suck it up and do it then.

[Wizard]

(09-12-2011 01:24 PM)Andreas Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 12:15 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 12:07 PM)Andreas Wrote:  

How come you didn't do it when you were at highschool? Is it because you didn't know?
I know why i feel lazy and took the advice for granted. I didn't feel any pain so far. I'm drowning in comfort zone. I bet you any money though that i'm not the first one who heard this kind of advice. And many people who had the same opportunity as me did not took advantage of it untill they really got slapped in the face by life. One day i will regret for not following your advice but it will be too late and i'm gonna have to start from scratch. Then i will probably advice another kid to follow this advice but he probably won't do it either......

Do you realize how lucky you are to have discovered game and this forum so early in life? Wake the fuck up and do something about it or you won't ever change.

*Tick Tock*

That is the sound of your life running out.

You're also wasting other helpful people's valuable time by ignoring the very advice you sought out to begin with.

YESSS captain. If you stress so much that it's important i will suck it up and do it then.

Gmac gives solid advice, and only an idiot would ignore it. Also where do you get this idea you need to suck up? The fact is dealing with people socially is often simply a matter of adjusting to their personality, their likes and dislikes.

You think all those Kings, Emperor's and Leaders in history won simply by bull dozing through every obstacle in their path? They realized that you need to adjust tactics to suit whatever obstacle in your path.

This is nothing different.

[Andreas]

(09-12-2011 02:06 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 01:24 PM)Andreas Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 12:15 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

(09-12-2011 12:07 PM)Andreas Wrote:  

How come you didn't do it when you were at highschool? Is it because you didn't know?
I know why i feel lazy and took the advice for granted. I didn't feel any pain so far. I'm drowning in comfort zone. I bet you any money though that i'm not the first one who heard this kind of advice. And many people who had the same opportunity as me did not took advantage of it untill they really got slapped in the face by life. One day i will regret for not following your advice but it will be too late and i'm gonna have to start from scratch. Then i will probably advice another kid to follow this advice but he probably won't do it either......

Do you realize how lucky you are to have discovered game and this forum so early in life? Wake the fuck up and do something about it or you won't ever change.

*Tick Tock*

That is the sound of your life running out.

You're also wasting other helpful people's valuable time by ignoring the very advice you sought out to begin with.

YESSS captain. If you stress so much that it's important i will suck it up and do it then.

Gmac gives solid advice, and only an idiot would ignore it. Also where do you get this idea you need to suck up? The fact is dealing with people socially is often simply a matter of adjusting to their personality, their likes and dislikes.

You think all those Kings, Emperor's and Leaders in history won simply by bull dozing through every obstacle in their path? They realized that you need to adjust tactics to suit whatever obstacle in your path.

This is nothing different.

I meant i want to learn the info. After reading all the previous post again and again i did what you suggested (slapped my self) and i want to start implementing this stuff. I will keep this thread as journal and organise the info in a word document (material is a lot). Sorry for wasting your time with my useless posts, i was feeling a bit down that time.

[blurb]

I recommend this book: The 48 Laws of Power. In terms of knowing how to deal with people, I think that you would benefit greatly from it.

[Saladin]

(09-12-2011 04:36 PM)blurb Wrote:  

I recommend this book: The 48 Laws of Power. In terms of knowing how to deal with people, I think that you would benefit greatly from it.

Thats a great book but for a high school setting its kind of too much.

Andreas, don't be hard on yourself. I fuck up a lot, today I didn't approach this really hot girl and I kicked myself for a hour for not doing that. We all fail but we gotta keep trying and making sure we don't miss out on chances.

[Giovonny]

(09-11-2011 11:35 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

That is momentum. There's two types of momentum- Macro and Micro.

I love this momentum shit. I really believe in it. I try to approach at least a few girls everyday.

(09-11-2011 11:35 PM)torontokid Wrote:  

There's a secret cheat code to ensure you can gain social momentum in your class without any awkwardness. You'll walk in feeling great and you'll be able to chat without tripping yourself up- aka you'll have a relaxed alpha vibe.

This is it-

Do a couple of cold approaches outside of school before you go to class. This is zero risk and you won't fuck up your school by appearing creepy.

These approaches dont' have to be high risk, just chat to a couple of girls about random shit, ask directions if you have to. Get like 510 minutes of interaction in and you'll walk to the class with a nice social vibe(aka a good state).

I love it. I can tell you have been getting out there and talking to girls. This is a good exercise.

[Andreas]

I think i have learned more negs in those 3 days than any other time of my life. I have this teacher who is gay, has bad body language but his negs are on different league. The way he commanded girls or used irony was much different from what i have ever seen or did.

By the way, i have tried to make some smalk talk to some guys at school but i'm not sure if i have started anything with long term process toward social circle mastery. Is it going to lead somewhere if i continue to do that? I have read what torontokid said about momentum thing and now i just thought of a good place to talk to random people just before lessons to get the vibe.

[Giovonny]

(09-14-2011 11:05 AM)Andreas Wrote:  

I think i have learned more negs in those 3 days than any other time of my life. I have this teacher who is gay, has bad body language but his negs are on different league. The way he commanded girls or used irony was much different from what i have ever seen or did.

Ha! Yes, older gay dudes often have good conversational skills. They know how to tease and "neg". Observe him and the way he bosses around those young girls. Take notes.

I know this because I live in San Francisco.

[Andreas]

(09-12-2011 03:54 AM)Wizard Wrote:  

torontokid xoffers excellent advice, and now I feel like an idiot for missing such an obvious topic.

Female Friends

Having a small group of platonic female friends who are moderately attractive and socially savvy will help you immeasurably. Girls will always have a better finger on the social pulse of school, and can help you by keeping an ear to the ground.

They will also serve as sort of a counter force to any negative rumors. Once you start dating chicks like mad, and moving on there is going to be some pissed off gossiping going on.

Make no mistake, women love to eat their own alive and will defend an alpha they respect to the hilt. The issue is actually becoming friends with these chicks, and there are a lot of different ways that can be done.

I would play to your strengths.

If your funny, then make them laugh or if your slightly more popular than invite them into your social circle and raise their social status.

I would like to emphasize... DON'T DATE THEM. These chicks are there to be part of your social shield, not to stick your dick in. There are plenty of other girls for that.

Thanks to torontokid for pointing out my mistake.

Today i have tried to widen my focus on girls in my school. I noticed that there are some cute girls who are not friends of the popular girls at school. Should i try to befriend them or start flirting? When is it best to flirt and when is it good to befriend when hot girls are storming near by me?

[Gmac]

Flirting and being friendly should basically be the same weapon in your arsenal -- there should be no difference. You need to talk to every girl the same way, not flip a switch because they aren't popular or your type. This is the kind of mindset you need to have for yourself. They should never really know if you're just being friendly or not, that's the whole game.

[Andreas]

(09-15-2011 12:39 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Flirting and being friendly should basically be the same weapon in your arsenal -- there should be no difference. You need to talk to every girl the same way, not flip a switch because they aren't popular or your type. This is the kind of mindset you need to have for yourself. They should never really know if you're just being friendly or not, that's the whole game.

So i should make rapport, escalate physically but i shouldn't ask them out on a date? Or not go for kiss?
Anyways, the question is, is it better to try seducing girls out of school(unknown randoms) rather than in-school girls?

[Gmac]

(09-16-2011 07:03 AM)Andreas Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 12:39 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Flirting and being friendly should basically be the same weapon in your arsenal -- there should be no difference. You need to talk to every girl the same way, not flip a switch because they aren't popular or your type. This is the kind of mindset you need to have for yourself. They should never really know if you're just being friendly or not, that's the whole game.

So i should make rapport, escalate physically but i shouldn't ask them out on a date? Or not go for kiss?
Anyways, the question is, is it better to try seducing girls out of school(unknown randoms) rather than in-school girls?

I'm saying your interactions with all girls should be the same up to that point where you want to escalate it beyond just talking. The reason I brought that up was because you were trying to "befriend" cute girls just because they weren't popular. Why would you treat them any differently from the others?

If you approach all girls the same way people will realize that is just the way you are and it will make it easier for girls to be comfortable talking to you. When I go out I don't treat a hot girl any different than an average one. If I'm not interested, I end the conversation on my terms.

You also never know how one person could introduce you to someone else, and vice versa.

Your goal shouldn't really be to "befriend" any girls, you want to have the mindset that they're lucky to be talking to you... without the smugness. Betas befriend girls and become orbiters, alphas are friendly with everyone and take what they want. Stop worrying so much about the details. Right now you need to focus on becoming a conversationalist. If a date comes out of something... great, but I don't think you're quite at that level yet from what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong)... especially if you're trying to "go for the kiss" with random girls in school before knowing the basics of human interactions. Nothing personal, I call it like I see it.

[Andreas]

(09-16-2011 08:13 AM)Gmac Wrote:  

(09-16-2011 07:03 AM)Andreas Wrote:  

(09-15-2011 12:39 PM)Gmac Wrote:  

Flirting and being friendly should basically be the same weapon in your arsenal -- there should be no difference. You need to talk to every girl the same way, not flip a switch because they aren't popular or your type. This is the kind of mindset you need to have for yourself. They should never really know if you're just being friendly or not, that's the whole game.

So i should make rapport, escalate physically but i shouldn't ask them out on a date? Or not go for kiss?
Anyways, the question is, is it better to try seducing girls out of school(unknown randoms) rather than in-school girls?

I'm saying your interactions with all girls should be the same up to that point where you want to escalate it beyond just talking. The reason I brought that up was because you were trying to "befriend" cute girls just because they weren't popular. Why would you treat them any differently from the others?

If you approach all girls the same way people will realize that is just the way you are and it will make it easier for girls to be comfortable talking to you. When I go out I don't treat a hot girl any different than an average one. If I'm not interested, I end the conversation on my terms.

You also never know how one person could introduce you to someone else, and vice versa.

Your goal shouldn't really be to "befriend" any girls, you want to have the mindset that they're lucky to be talking to you... without the smugness. Betas befriend girls and become orbiters, alphas are friendly with everyone and take what they want. Stop worrying so much about the details. Right now you need to focus on becoming a conversationalist. If a date comes out of something... great, but I don't think you're quite at that level yet from what I've heard (correct me if I'm wrong)... especially if you're trying to "go for the kiss" with random girls in school before knowing the basics of human interactions. Nothing personal, I call it like I see it.

No offense taken, i'm sure you saw a lot of beginers like me, still young and stupid wanting to be older and wiser.
Sometimes i have trouble with all the terminology about what Alpha and Beta do.

[Andreas]

Update: Today i went to the gym and tried to follow the advice from Mike Chang in one of his videos. Very little rest time between workouts and it felt intense.

The point wasn't that, but the fact that i felt how valuable time is. Sometimes i feel lazy about talking to people but when there is time pressure i do 200% (that's how i felt) better than when i'm not in that pressure. I had a 20 second talk with a woman and neg came out without any difficulty

[Staged]

Best way to game in a classroom setting = jealousy plotlines. Talk to multiple girls!

[Andreas]

(09-23-2011 05:52 PM)Staged Wrote:  

Best way to game in a classroom setting = jealousy plotlines. Talk to multiple girls!

Lol yeah, imagine all girls stalking each other and me and making teacher angry for not paying attention to him. haha.

I wanna change the title of this topic. It's not about flirting with girls in class anymore. Well part of it yes, but mostly about highschool social circle mastery. If Roosh is watching this please change the title to "Highschool social circle mastery and flirting with school girls"