[Agastya]

I really do think middle-class black women have some kind of a thing for Indian guys, not sure what it is...but black women have by far been the easiest for me to smash. I love it because 7+ black girls seem to be in to me from the outset. I think its because of a couple of reasons...

There are just less middle-class put together college educated black men than there are women. So you get plenty of black women who want a tall dark skinned dude...but find their options severely limited. Plus all the negative baggage black women have about black men, which they won't really have about an Indian guy (assuming of course that you look decent and have game).

The top tier of black women will be hard for Indian guys I think, as 8+ of any race tend to stick to their own. In the case of black girls the 8+ tend to go for black athletes or dudes involved in music/media. I think it's possible to get at these girls but obviously still quite difficult. Athlete black women were the hardest for me, African immigrants and boHo black girls the easiest.

Much like Indian guys, they are seen as being at the bottom of the SMV totem pole...rightfully so in the case of hoodrats, but this creates a good situation with the cute middle class ones. They come from a culture with good family structures and a minimum of ideological feminism (unlike their white counterparts), and haven't had their egos inflated by a media that constantly pedestalizes them (also unlike white women).

Great bodies, good personalities, and best of all, very down to earth and always happily surprised when a non-black guy approaches them. I fucking love black girls, I am currently dating an Asian girl but I will always have a soft spot for these women. I recommend Indian guys give them more of a chance, I see way too much IRT bullshit about only wanting white girls.

[WalterBlack]

I agree with the middle class Black American women thing. They seem to love me - I think my British accent makes them like me even more. I think a lot of black American can't bring themselves to date a white guy, but Indians are OK in their book. My tastes tend to go more towards Chinese women though.

In the UK a lot of white women are open to Indian guys, in fact that's all I saw whilst I was growing up. I grew up in a small town in UK where all the Indians were Punjabi and all the Indian girls were relatives or family friends so the Punjabi guys were all banging white girls. The first time I saw Indian guys with Indian women was when I went to university in London.

I went to Morocco a couple of years ago and I was too ill to try to smash anyone, but I got some very good vibes from the local women there. I was told they have a thing for Indian guys and random strangers yelled out "Shah Rukh Khan" to me a few times in Marrakesh.

I also didn't grow up around short or dark Indians. I'm Punjabi and I'm the shortest of my brothers at 5'10". My tallest brother is 6'3" (his son is 6'4") and I used to have a 6'6" Sikh neighbour in UK. I've never had anyone in Morocco mistake me for an Arab, but I was mistaken for an Arab by an Arab guy in Tokyo.

Here's a thread about my experience in Japan.

[Vet-Boy]

I hate IRTs, being an ugly indian fob with no game is no better than being an ugly fob from any other country in the world.

Spend more time in the lifestyle and game forums looking for ways to enhance yourself and your life rather than creating threads like this looking for magic effortless poosy paradises.

They dont exist.

Althought to share a personal anecdote for the non IRTs on here, I have noticed i tend to get extra attention from black and asian girls in Canada but its from my appearance and not after asking if im indian.

5'10 ethnic punjabi

[Arado]

I think 5 years ago Poland and Scandinavia were good. Not sure about now post migrant crisis. NYC is still pretty decent. Latin America doesn't give negative points to Indians, it seems neutral, and game/looks/language ability take over from there. Central Asia also was good a few years ago, again not sure about now.

East Asia it's a slight negative but can easily be overcome via language/game/fashion. Western Europe and Russia I would say probably have the highest barriers, but FSU still has large amounts of attractive women so it can still yield decent results.

I think though that Indians really have to stop with the blaming and pity party and start holding each other to higher standards. When Indians become more socially adjusted to complement their decent economic success and do a better job of promoting themselves in media/pop culture, then their status among women will naturally rise.

[Agastya]

^Cosigned, the biggest problem is that Indians in America are culturally just not geared towards being attractive. This is due to a variety of factors.

Most of us here are either South Indian (Telugu/Tamil) Brahmins or Gujarati Patels -- both races of people generally tend to be smaller and neither culture places a lot of emphasis on athleticism. These are more betabux cultures that value money and intellectualism over masculinity and strength. These groups are vegetarian (no meat == lower testosterone) and short in size/stature to begin with. On top of this, massive numbers of Indian Americans are software engineers, a career track that doesn't really attract alpha dudes or attractive girls. Indians in America are seen as beta because they come from some of the most asexual groups in India and generally work in the most asexual professions in America.

This reflects in there being a huge dearth of jacked alpha Indian dudes. In California (Bay Area and SoCal) I almost never see Indian dudes actually getting strong. My high school was something like 40% Indian and 50% East Asian. Tons of Asian dudes were in the gym getting huge, the few white and Mexican guys got jacked as well. I could count the number of actually jacked/strong Indians on one hand. The same situation applied in college -- at my university gyms I would see jacked dudes of all races in equal proportions -- and then maybe one or two strong Indians at all.

(This seems less true in Chicago for some reason -- Indians in Illinois look way better, who knows why)

This will undoubtedly change within the next twenty years. Indian immigrant communities in other countries seem to do a lot better in terms of sexual success. The Indians I knew in Dubai were in great shape, looked good, and had money -- the women were hot as fuck too. Indians in Britain and Canada seem to do fine also. Again, this comes from the origins of these groups. The Dubai Indians I know are either Pakistani (good genetics thanks to racial mixing) descended from India's extremely rich 1%, most of whom married hot women. Indians in Britain are mostly Punjabi (more alpha on average), same goes for Canada.

The South Indians in Canada don't come from the betabux Brahmin communities either. A lot of these guys are Sri Lankan Tamils who fled the civil war, a lot of them formed extremely violent gangs back in the 90's. I could never see South Indians in the U.S doing that -- many Canadian Tamils came from an environment of brutal civil war and conflict, thereby producing significantly harder people.

[axorb]

If we are talking about United States then NYC, Miami, Las Vegas and South Texas (McAllen, Brownsville, Laredo) etc has been amazing for me and few of my other desi friends so far. Like other posters mentioned, fashion, looks and being in shape helps a ton.

[wannable alpha]

@Agastya -
(This seems less true in Chicago for some reason -- Indians in Illinois look way better, who knows why)
Most of the Indians in Chicago are Gujarati. A lot of Gujaratis have family members in that area and it has resulted in a chain migration.


The Dubai Indians I know are either Pakistani (good genetics thanks to racial mixing) descended from India's extremely rich 1%, most of whom married hot women.

The Dubai Indians that you refer to as "Pakistani" are Sindhi-speaking Hindus. Calling them Pakistani is an insult to their identify and the hardships that they had to face because of partition.

BTW, what's the problem with having this thread when a similar thread for black guys has been going strong for seven years now and has reached 146 pages.

[Racer]

There are 2 reasons why threads like these exist.
1. Brown bros genuinely want to know which countries to go to for maximum results. (Applies to the ones that are willing to work on their game.)

2. Lazy, fobbish pricks who refuse to put in any effort and want to be eye fucked by the girls and have the foreigner factor do ALL of their work for them instead of working on their own game.

I have nothing against hitting up foreign lands where my own look is seen as exotic, in fact, it's a wise strategy as granddaddy Roosh said. But to expect girls to do 100% of the work for you? Why are you even bothering to learn game?

P.S. 5'8, hairy brown bro here of Singaporean Indian descent. And gaming foreign women isn't a problem for me.

[Fortis]

Cool thread.

I'm always interested in where other brown people end up in the world of gaming. I've offhandedly noticed that Blacks and South Asians tend to get similar treatment abroad, so if you guys find that a country has gameable women, I also find those same women can also be receptive to Black men. Not sure why that is, but I think it's because for many women they see your skin and go "not white!" and you're in the box whether you're from Africa, America, Indian, Nepal, New Guinea or any of those spots.

Funny, I banged a Chinese girl a few months ago who thought I was Indian. post bang she was asking me where my family was from and I explained that I'm Black and she could not wrap her head around the idea that someone with my complexion could be Black. Of course, every Indian person I've ever met knows I'm not Indian.



Sidenote: I do agree with Kirdiesel. You guys should strongly consider making a South Asian Guy Masterthread so that you can get a good string of discussions going. I know I have no real dog in the fight, but I do think it will be a good long-term idea for South Asian bros. It'll cut down on the same questions being asked and it'll possibly grow into something really interesting.

[Agastya]

(09-23-2017 12:01 PM)wannable alpha Wrote:  

@Agastya -
(This seems less true in Chicago for some reason -- Indians in Illinois look way better, who knows why)
Most of the Indians in Chicago are Gujarati. A lot of Gujaratis have family members in that area and it has resulted in a chain migration.


The Dubai Indians I know are either Pakistani (good genetics thanks to racial mixing) descended from India's extremely rich 1%, most of whom married hot women.

The Dubai Indians that you refer to as "Pakistani" are Sindhi-speaking Hindus. Calling them Pakistani is an insult to their identify and the hardships that they had to face because of partition.

BTW, what's the problem with having this thread when a similar thread for black guys has been going strong for seven years now and has reached 146 pages.

My bad, I meant to write "either Pakistani or Indians who are descended from the 1%". Possibly the most beautiful girl that I've seen in my life was a Pakistani beautician with blue eyes who was working at my cousin's wedding. Most of the Indians I saw at that wedding were more international types; grew up in Dubai, went to international schools, went to college in Europe, Canada, or the states. These guys have no problem with women, many were dating or married to extremely beautiful Indian women.

The problems faced by Indians in the states or extremely liberal spots like Toronto are caused more by their specific subculture or occupation than anything inherent to India. If Indian Americans were descended from Nepali Gurkhas, warrior-caste South Indians from the villages, or mountain people from Ladakh and Kashmir, the stereotypes would be completely different. I honestly see more attractive Indian people in the Delhi airport than I do at Indian gatherings in California.

[International_Casanova]

Ive seen countless Asians in Prague with baddies including my Czech Stripper 18 year old sister.

Indian guys loook no further than Budapest I think you guys have the highest SMV there next to black guys. My last trip to Budapest I saw an Indian dude with a solid 9 strolling the street. And my ex hookup who's a pornstar got into a relationship with an Indian guy after me.

[The Stronger Sex]

(09-11-2017 12:03 PM)MANic Wrote:  

If you're a Bollywood phenotype and not a fob the world is your oyster.

Minus the moustache if possible. What screams "manly man" in India might scream "pedophile" elsewhere.

[Palpatine]

(09-11-2017 08:10 AM)Marcus187 Wrote:  

Are you this type of Indian:



Or this one:



Although you can't say all the 1.3 billion Indians are the same, I did notice the awkward type of Indian (mostly straight out of India) and the stylish Indian who knows how to find his way in Western societies.

Closer to the second, I think. But as you can see, my skin's darker.

[jselysianeagle]

(09-23-2017 08:28 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I've offhandedly noticed that Blacks and South Asians tend to get similar treatment abroad, so if you guys find that a country has gameable women, I also find those same women can also be receptive to Black men.

Same here. It's why I follow the discussion on the Black man travel thread closely even though I'm not black. I think places good for Black dudes will likely be good for Indians (and generally, anyone that isn't white) as well. And vice versa of course. And anecdotally, this has been borne out when I visited places recommended to me by my black friends.

[kaotic]

(11-08-2017 05:33 PM)Palpatine Wrote:  

Closer to the second, I think. But as you can see, my skin's darker.

Dude, don't post stuff like that online - that's a bad way to dox yourself.

I'd suggest removing that link and that pic and send it via message.

Palpatine if that's actually you, you don't have much to worry about.

You're in shape, you're good looking, obviously you're aware of this forum so you've got decent game.

Only thing I'd recommend is some manscaping as in, getting rid of the hair on your shoulders, and possibly a bit more of a more faded style haircut.

I'm sure you dress good, you're also photogenic, so you'd do damn decent online on apps.

I think you'd do fine anywhere you go, get that IRT that's talking into your ear off your shoulders.

[Arado]

(11-08-2017 05:54 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 08:28 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I've offhandedly noticed that Blacks and South Asians tend to get similar treatment abroad, so if you guys find that a country has gameable women, I also find those same women can also be receptive to Black men.

Same here. It's why I follow the discussion on the Black man travel thread closely even though I'm not black. I think places good for Black dudes will likely be good for Indians (and generally, anyone that isn't white) as well. And vice versa of course. And anecdotally, this has been borne out when I visited places recommended to me by my black friends.

Very interesting point, I would say this is probably most applicable in northEast Asia and Eastern Europe, where both Indians AND blacks are still enough of a rarity that girls just put them (along with darker Latino guys) in one "dark" category.

In Latin America, Indians (depending on their vibe, style and skin tone compared with that of the locals) can blend in with locals in some countries while blacks couldn't, so I'd say it's less valid of a correlation.

In Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Burma, Indonesia, there are large Indian communities that have their own unique dynamic going on. In Vietnam and Philippines, the black/Indian experience may be more similar due to smaller populations of expat Indians. Don't have much experience in ME or Africa but I'd think it's a very different experience between the groups. In Anglo countries, there are enough of both groups that they have their own social dynamics going on so the experiences would be pretty divergent. In other Western European countries I would assume that the rapefugee crisis has screwed things for everyone, but there are now enough brown and black people that the experiences would be different.

I would think that the more a society is exposed to foreigners coming from countries (or ethnicities) A, B, C, the more they will differentiate between them as long as they can tell them apart.

[Palpatine]

(11-08-2017 06:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:33 PM)Palpatine Wrote:  

Closer to the second, I think. But as you can see, my skin's darker.

Dude, don't post stuff like that online - that's a bad way to dox yourself.

I'd suggest removing that link and that pic and send it via message.

Palpatine if that's actually you, you don't have much to worry about.

You're in shape, you're good looking, obviously you're aware of this forum so you've got decent game.

Only thing I'd recommend is some manscaping as in, getting rid of the hair on your shoulders, and possibly a bit more of a more faded style haircut.

I'm sure you dress good, you're also photogenic, so you'd do damn decent online on apps.

I think you'd do fine anywhere you go, get that IRT that's talking into your ear off your shoulders.

Good point, I've deleted it. And thanks for the helpful tips and advice!

[Fortis]

(11-08-2017 08:28 PM)Arado Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 05:54 PM)jselysianeagle Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 08:28 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I've offhandedly noticed that Blacks and South Asians tend to get similar treatment abroad, so if you guys find that a country has gameable women, I also find those same women can also be receptive to Black men.

Same here. It's why I follow the discussion on the Black man travel thread closely even though I'm not black. I think places good for Black dudes will likely be good for Indians (and generally, anyone that isn't white) as well. And vice versa of course. And anecdotally, this has been borne out when I visited places recommended to me by my black friends.

Very interesting point, I would say this is probably most applicable in northEast Asia and Eastern Europe, where both Indians AND blacks are still enough of a rarity that girls just put them (along with darker Latino guys) in one "dark" category.

In Latin America, Indians (depending on their vibe, style and skin tone compared with that of the locals) can blend in with locals in some countries while blacks couldn't, so I'd say it's less valid of a correlation.

In Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Burma, Indonesia, there are large Indian communities that have their own unique dynamic going on. In Vietnam and Philippines, the black/Indian experience may be more similar due to smaller populations of expat Indians. Don't have much experience in ME or Africa but I'd think it's a very different experience between the groups. In Anglo countries, there are enough of both groups that they have their own social dynamics going on so the experiences would be pretty divergent. In other Western European countries I would assume that the rapefugee crisis has screwed things for everyone, but there are now enough brown and black people that the experiences would be different.

I would think that the more a society is exposed to foreigners coming from countries (or ethnicities) A, B, C, the more they will differentiate between them as long as they can tell them apart.

One thing that I notice that works across the board for all men of color seems to be language skills.

All my Black and Indian bros who speak decent Mandarin seem to pull a disproportionate number of quality women. I know of one Pakistani guy out here who is not attractive at all but he pulls some seriously hot chicks because of his line of work (owns his own business) and speaks really really good Mandarin. I suspect that this is because sometimes we have a strange image in the public consciousness so when a girl sees that you're serious about her language (and culture) she might think highly of you.

I wonder if this also applies in Scandanavia and EE? I imagine a Scandy or Polish girl would be impressed if you spoke the native tongue fluently. Obviously, that's a deep investment strategy and has many opportunity costs that come with it, but it might warrant some testing at some point. Does anyone have any experience with this?

I guess Roosh is sort of a case study in that regard since he speaks Russian and Spanish and I suspect that, as a guy who isn't white, it gives him a pretty decent leg up over his competitors.

[Arado]

(11-09-2017 12:02 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

(11-08-2017 08:28 PM)Arado Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 08:28 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

I've offhandedly noticed that Blacks and South Asians tend to get similar treatment abroad, so if you guys find that a country has gameable women, I also find those same women can also be receptive to Black men.

Very interesting point, I would say this is probably most applicable in northEast Asia and Eastern Europe, where both Indians AND blacks are still enough of a rarity that girls just put them (along with darker Latino guys) in one "dark" category.

In Latin America, Indians (depending on their vibe, style and skin tone compared with that of the locals) can blend in with locals in some countries while blacks couldn't, so I'd say it's less valid of a correlation.

In Thailand, Malaysia, Singapore, Burma, Indonesia, there are large Indian communities that have their own unique dynamic going on. In Vietnam and Philippines, the black/Indian experience may be more similar due to smaller populations of expat Indians. Don't have much experience in ME or Africa but I'd think it's a very different experience between the groups. In Anglo countries, there are enough of both groups that they have their own social dynamics going on so the experiences would be pretty divergent. In other Western European countries I would assume that the rapefugee crisis has screwed things for everyone, but there are now enough brown and black people that the experiences would be different.

I would think that the more a society is exposed to foreigners coming from countries (or ethnicities) A, B, C, the more they will differentiate between them as long as they can tell them apart.

One thing that I notice that works across the board for all men of color seems to be language skills.

All my Black and Indian bros who speak decent Mandarin seem to pull a disproportionate number of quality women. I know of one Pakistani guy out here who is not attractive at all but he pulls some seriously hot chicks because of his line of work (owns his own business) and speaks really really good Mandarin. I suspect that this is because sometimes we have a strange image in the public consciousness so when a girl sees that you're serious about her language (and culture) she might think highly of you.

I wonder if this also applies in Scandanavia and EE? I imagine a Scandy or Polish girl would be impressed if you spoke the native tongue fluently. Obviously, that's a deep investment strategy and has many opportunity costs that come with it, but it might warrant some testing at some point. Does anyone have any experience with this?

I guess Roosh is sort of a case study in that regard since he speaks Russian and Spanish and I suspect that, as a guy who isn't white, it gives him a pretty decent leg up over his competitors.

Language definitely helps, though there are limits. In East Asia, I would say that it usually turns out that the girls who already speak English are the ones that will be much more open to carnal relations with foreigners. If a girl doesn't speak English and is in a tier 1 city, then usually they don't have that much interest in foreigners. What ends up happening is that speaking the local language becomes more of a DHV to the English speaking groupies, and gives you an SMV point or two to cancel out the disadvantage from discrimination.

Of course, because the girls that speak English are far outnumbered by the ones that don't, speaking the local language will open you up to a whole world of women that the English only speakers can't access, though the success rate with them will likely be lower than with the English speaking girls.

It's a weird dynamic. The other region is Eastern Europe - in Russia, dark guys have decent results speaking only in English because it puts girls on the defensive - by speaking Russian they get put in a box with guys from Tajikistan and the girl is more confident. In Latin America speaking Spanish is absolutely essential.

Having social status and being introduced by high value friends is probably the easiest way to break a girl's resistance to a foreign guy if he is of a race she isn't interested in (assuming this isn't an online approach, where girls automatically screen for race). I would say dressing well is an important corollary to that to beef up the image you are trying to put forth. In some countries, social circle/event game is an order of magnitude easier than cold approach just because you don't have to deal with any racism.

[juicebox]

I think when it comes to Desis/South Asian, we have to be a touch more specific as the subcontinental area is incredibly diverse.

Whilst people from the south India etc tend to be smaller and have a unique look, those who are Punjabis and Pashtuns are both much bigger and have a different look on average. This includes asthetics, builds, skin tones (caramel/coffee coloured as opposed to chocolate) and different outlooks.

I enjoy reading the insights of desi players here as a learning tool.

[jordypip23]

(09-23-2017 12:01 PM)wannable alpha Wrote:  

@Agastya -
(This seems less true in Chicago for some reason -- Indians in Illinois look way better, who knows why)
Most of the Indians in Chicago are Gujarati. A lot of Gujaratis have family members in that area and it has resulted in a chain migration.


The Dubai Indians I know are either Pakistani (good genetics thanks to racial mixing) descended from India's extremely rich 1%, most of whom married hot women.

The Dubai Indians that you refer to as "Pakistani" are Sindhi-speaking Hindus. Calling them Pakistani is an insult to their identify and the hardships that they had to face because of partition.

BTW, what's the problem with having this thread when a similar thread for black guys has been going strong for seven years now and has reached 146 pages.

The Chicago thing could have something to do with the political / gang mentality there. It is competitive as fucc! I grew up near there (live near Detroit now though), so I witnessed it firsthand. So many groups out there congregate into various cliques, factions, communities, etc. And things get cutthroat competitive. It is ingrained in Chicago culture, from the politicians to the gangsters in the hood to executives & suburban soccer moms in the North Shore suburbs lol. It is also one of the oldest & largest Indian communities in America (I believe the 2nd largest after NYC/NJ). Therefore, you will see a larger percentage of Indian-Americans in the area get involved with athletic leagues / tournaments, fitness, cosmetic products for nights out on the town, etc. than in some smaller market. But I wouldn't say this is dissimilar to an NYC, Houston or San Francisco. I think they are all kind of similar in that sense.

[ThrustMaster]

Pune

[Audi]

(09-21-2017 10:21 PM)axorb Wrote:  

If we are talking about United States then NYC, Miami, Las Vegas and South Texas (McAllen, Brownsville, Laredo) etc has been amazing for me and few of my other desi friends so far. Like other posters mentioned, fashion, looks and being in shape helps a ton.

Hey man, I'm an Indian dude in my early 20s, yes the south Texas area (Brownsvile, Harlingen, McAllen) is receptive to Indian men. Not in the sense that we're exotic, but we look like the brown hispanics that live in this area, so when we looks max and tell them that we are actually indians they are pleasantly surprised and impressed.

I've been hitting the gym, keeping fit, and yeah the hispanic college girls have been eyeing me.

[Robby88]

(09-11-2017 10:17 PM)Agastya Wrote:  

I really do think middle-class black women have some kind of a thing for Indian guys, not sure what it is...but black women have by far been the easiest for me to smash. I love it because 7+ black girls seem to be in to me from the outset. I think its because of a couple of reasons...

There are just less middle-class put together college educated black men than there are women. So you get plenty of black women who want a tall dark skinned dude...but find their options severely limited. Plus all the negative baggage black women have about black men, which they won't really have about an Indian guy (assuming of course that you look decent and have game).

The top tier of black women will be hard for Indian guys I think, as 8+ of any race tend to stick to their own. In the case of black girls the 8+ tend to go for black athletes or dudes involved in music/media. I think it's possible to get at these girls but obviously still quite difficult. Athlete black women were the hardest for me, African immigrants and boHo black girls the easiest.

Much like Indian guys, they are seen as being at the bottom of the SMV totem pole...rightfully so in the case of hoodrats, but this creates a good situation with the cute middle class ones. They come from a culture with good family structures and a minimum of ideological feminism (unlike their white counterparts), and haven't had their egos inflated by a media that constantly pedestalizes them (also unlike white women).

Great bodies, good personalities, and best of all, very down to earth and always happily surprised when a non-black guy approaches them. I fucking love black girls, I am currently dating an Asian girl but I will always have a soft spot for these women. I recommend Indian guys give them more of a chance, I see way too much IRT bullshit about only wanting white girls.

Agreed with this. Black women are an untapped market for indian men. I personally prefer light skinned black women over white women.

[The Stronger Sex]

India. As long as there are no foreign men within a 10-mile radius.