[Travesty]

Great premise as a what if of game vs. $.

And that $ with 8's turns to P4P real fast without very strong game and preselection.

The OP has only said he is a mildly wealthy, good game, and above average physique, & looks. He never said top 1-2% in any category. I guess money maybe for his age, without the jet setter, speed boat lifestyle it doesn't mean nearly as much as social power.

And for consistent 8's you really need that high up, because that is what they are in relation.

OP I would try working part-time at different pussy businesses as mentioned. College bar, night club, juice bar, yoga studio, boutique gym geared toward young hot chicks, and decide if any stick and you may want to pursue ownership as a social capital side business. This will give you that IG micro-fame. Otherwise if you can't break in naturally to high status male crews, may be time to look abroad to cash in.

Of course keep working on your game during all of this as that should always be growing.

[Svoboda]

(08-07-2017 01:25 PM)BrickLake Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 01:13 PM)Svoboda Wrote:  

For me the jury is still out on OP having "good game" and "high level social skills" (which he claims) or not. Looking good and being rich isn't good game (I'm not denying it's a big plus). Looking good and being rich means you'd at best have to run don't fuck it up game to bang 6s and 7s.

The way OP describes himself sounds like there is something wrong:
"high level social skills", 30 yr old guy that only pulls in lone wolf mode, only has friends that are married plus kids, and isn't able to connect to any chick he actually wants beyond the initial bang.

Like I was critical on the "good game" OP claims to have (which seems based on contact with chicks below his claimed SMV). I have questions about the "high level social skills" OP claims to have.

Come to think of it, describing yourself as having "high level social skills" sounds kinda autistic if the rest of your post kind of contradicts it.

Look I can walk into a bar cold solo and leave with the phone number of the hottest girl in the place most of the time. I don't know what that means. I haven't met too many other guys that can do that. I'm open to the possibility that I'm far more of a loser than I think I am

Most of the time when I get the chance to spend some 1 on 1 time with a woman, they stick. The problem is, when it's 8 and above, they won't allow me that opportunity to even show my personality. Can't get em to show up.

In my early twenties I had the great social life, deep crew with the coolest people in the city, house parties, exclusive events. Met lots of girl through social circles because they just wanted to hang out with the cool kids. That was like 7 years ago, it all just kind of drifted apart.

I have plenty of single guy friends, we live in different parts of the country for the most part. They're busy, we go out occasionally.

This is just how things worked out, This is my situation and I'm just doing the best I can.

I think I need a drastic overhaul of social life and lifestyle setup.

Maybe there's something off in the way you grade chicks (as in, what you call a 7 would be an 8 for most). Wouldn't the hottest chick in a bar usually be an 8?
When you were 23 and part of the in crowd, were you getting 8s back then?

[jselysianeagle]

OP - do you realize getting phone numbers even of 8+s isn't nearly the big deal you're makin it out to be? Numbers don't mean shit these days - the fact that 95% of them flake on you should've convinced you of that by now. I can walk around in NYC and collect numbers of 8s in SoHo, at cafes and parks around town etc. Many will give out their numbers just to get you to leave even.

[XXL]

Quote:

30 Year Old White Male
Above average looks
6 feet tall with above average physique
Self-made internet millionaire
Well educated
Live in a mansion near one of the top nightlife destinations in the United States.
Cool car, cool clothes, all that BS.
Good game honed over years of international travel, tons of cold approaching, lots of mistakes and lessons learned, and working in the EDM industry for a short period.

I have very high level social skills and I go out primarily alone. I almost always end up in an isolated conversation with the most attractive women in the venue and leave with her number. I am aggressive, self-aware, give zero fucks, and at the very least, never "creep" girls out.

I meet women primarily from rolling solo to bars and nightclubs, and tinder.

How come?

On one hand you are confident and socially experienced successful individual who even tasted EDM music industry from the inside yet you go out alone? This does not add up at all sorry bro.

If this is all true then this one fact alone is a clear sign you are doing something very wrong.

[BrickLake]

(08-07-2017 05:02 PM)XXL Wrote:  

How come?

On one hand you are confident and socially experienced successful individual who even tasted EDM music industry from the inside yet you go out alone? This does not add up at all sorry bro.

If this is all true then this one fact alone is a clear sign you are doing something very wrong.

My social life is pretty non-existent right now.

Occasionally things will align, friends will be in town, something will be going on and we'll all go out and have a grand old time.

Occasionally I can rally some troops and put together a good weekend with the boys, or a good international trip with friends.

But for the most part, if I want to go out and meet women my choice is either to go out solo, or sit at home. That's just how it worked out for me at this point in my life with my current location and setup. Eventually I just got tired of just pushing and chasing people to try figure out schedules and do fun stuff. It's easier for me to just mind my own business, and go out and meet girls whenever I want without some massive coordination effort.

I would much prefer to just go out by myself than to go out with an acquaintance "wingman."

I'm not Mr. active social life talk of the town guy with a packed social calendar of galas and events and not really sure the best way to get there.

That was the whole point of this post, I think I've taken things as far as I can as a lone wolf. To level up, I need to create situations where I display massive value and have a funnel of women just effortlessly pouring in to my life.

I know what this looks like. I've seen it first hand.
That's why i'm frustrated and pissed at myself. Because I'm smarter than this and know better.
It's all about lifestyle setup.
Game is for suckers.

Need to figure out my best angle to set it up for myself.

[Skank_Hunt]

Based on the OP, a few things that struck me.

1. Your game might actually not be that good. It could be good, but not that good.

2. As well as looks we're also limited individually by our "vibe". You can improve it to a certain extent, and you can become more interesting through life experiences, but at the core remains "who you are" and the energy you give out, which girls can feel. It may be that, whatever you do, the girls in highest demand, even the ones who sleep with, deem that this energy/your inherent personality/whatever you want to call it... is not enough for them to stay. It could be anywhere between "he's cool, but nothing special" to "there's a little something about him that's repulsive". Even if everything is "cool", the girls in highest demand won't even put up with "just cool" because they have unlimited choice apart from A list actors/singers (and some of them do have even that).

3. These mythical 8s, 9s and 10s I prefer to class as the girls who create the highest demand for themselves and regard themselves the most highly. Your so-called "9", could really be a 7-7.5 who goes to the gym and has her body and her cosmetic and her clothes game on lock. She has that "dime piece image" that makes men class her as 8, 9 or 10. The top men buy into it, and create huge demand for these girls, especially in the west, to the point where her choice is such that being at least semi-famous or equivalent of semi-famous or with some exceptional attribute e.g. game including relationship game or just general vibe/personality, is the minimum for her to even consider sticking around let alone exclusively. If you were to take a look at Justin Bieber's exes they are attractive, some of them singers and models so very famous in their own right, but others instagram model types with that "dimepiece" look. How hot is Selena Gomez, Chloe Moretz or that brazilian instagram chick he dated before, really? Without the fame, Selena is a hot latina but it's not as if you can't find hotter girls especially in Mexico, Brazil, and Colombia. Similarly for his instagram model types, they are still top tier of attainability in Brazil or Colombia but there are still many of them. As for the white girls, with normal clothes and makeup, heck even when made up well and dressed well, you can find hotter girls all over Ukraine, Belarus and Russia. They're not higher than 7.5 from me. What makes them so unattainable compared to girls of similar organic beauty in Ukraine, for example, is their location (USA where really hot girls are more rare) and the "dimepiece/model image" they have created with external help of clothes and cosmetics. Men approach them in hundreds, they go to the right spots in LA, and famous men approach them, so despite organic 7-7.5 beauty, they will start to think themselves in the 8-10 range and behave accordingly. Even if you improved points (1) and (2) above, you might simply be banging your head against a wall to be competing with the top 0.1% for girls who have heavily inflated self-esteem compared to their natural looks. When you go to high-soc nightclubs in LA or NYC you are naturally going to encounter the wannabe models and actresses who coast by life on their beauty and can get flown to different places by multimillionaires and billionaires. This is where the exponential change in difficulty is coming from, not their objective natural beauty, in my opinion. There are girls who are naturally prettier than them, but not "hotter" in the sense of big ass, big (often fake) tits, perfectly done makeup etc.


4. Given point (3) above, you should consider going abroad to see what you can get, particularly to places known to have the hottest girls, so Brazil and Colombia for latinas/dark types, or eastern FSU for white girls. You are certainly not lacking the money to do a bit of recon. Also it's much easier to see how genuinely beautiful a girl is during the day. Full light, less makeup, regular clothes etc.

[General Stalin]

(08-07-2017 05:22 PM)BrickLake Wrote:  

That was the whole point of this post, I think I've taken things as far as I can as a lone wolf. To level up, I need to create situations where I display massive value and have a funnel of women just effortlessly pouring in to my life.

I know what this looks like. I've seen it first hand.
That's why i'm frustrated and pissed at myself. Because I'm smarter than this and know better.
It's all about lifestyle setup.
Game is for suckers.

Need to figure out my best angle to set it up for myself.

Sounds like you don't need our help.

The majority of us here are fairly average dudes who are not "connected" or living baller lifestyles making money rain with VS models hanging off of us. We believe learning how to be good with people and women is a way to build social providence and get laid with the types of females you are attracted to.

Sounds like you're one step ahead of the pack already. You have the money and people skills as you say so yourself. How would you go about developing a lifestyle? Seeing as how 'game is for suckers' anyway.

[h3ltrsk3ltr]

(08-07-2017 05:22 PM)BrickLake Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 05:02 PM)XXL Wrote:  

How come?

On one hand you are confident and socially experienced successful individual who even tasted EDM music industry from the inside yet you go out alone? This does not add up at all sorry bro.

If this is all true then this one fact alone is a clear sign you are doing something very wrong.

My social life is pretty non-existent right now.

Occasionally things will align, friends will be in town, something will be going on and we'll all go out and have a grand old time.

Occasionally I can rally some troops and put together a good weekend with the boys, or a good international trip with friends.

But for the most part, if I want to go out and meet women my choice is either to go out solo, or sit at home. That's just how it worked out for me at this point in my life with my current location and setup. Eventually I just got tired of just pushing and chasing people to try figure out schedules and do fun stuff. It's easier for me to just mind my own business, and go out and meet girls whenever I want without some massive coordination effort.

I would much prefer to just go out by myself than to go out with an acquaintance "wingman."

I'm not Mr. active social life talk of the town guy with a packed social calendar of galas and events and not really sure the best way to get there.

That was the whole point of this post, I think I've taken things as far as I can as a lone wolf. To level up, I need to create situations where I display massive value and have a funnel of women just effortlessly pouring in to my life.

I know what this looks like. I've seen it first hand.
That's why i'm frustrated and pissed at myself. Because I'm smarter than this and know better.
It's all about lifestyle setup.
Game is for suckers.

Need to figure out my best angle to set it up for myself.

Folly of Lifestyle Design - rooshv.com

Also: In before the ban!

[Savemham Lincoln]

(08-07-2017 01:25 PM)BrickLake Wrote:  

Look I can walk into a bar cold solo and leave with the phone number of the hottest girl in the place most of the time. I don't know what that means. I haven't met too many other guys that can do that.

Firstly, anybody can do that.

Secondly, this below is what your game sounds like to me. Suits was less diplomatic about it but your personality is what is lacking.

https://youtu.be/U3-TmChQ9P8?t=671

[crdr]

^
Keys to the VIP is excellent TV.

[Savemham Lincoln]

(08-07-2017 06:00 PM)crdr Wrote:  

^
Keys to the VIP is excellent TV.

I know... I know. But given OP's posts, going back to basics doesn't seem like a bad idea.

[Travesty]

Game let's you clean up once you break into the hen house bro.

[Travel Museums]

Wait so your in SF not LA. That would explain a lot.

In SF an 8+ is actually a 6. Join the private jet club, fly into Hawthorne, get a beach place in LA. I have tech friends that did this.

If that doesn't work go abroad. Those same guys also like going to EE and SEA.

Maybe you could go to the gym or do some inner work. Why waste your time?

Same goes for tryong to "redevelop" your 20-something age middle class social life. It's gone. Forget about it.

Change your demographic. If that doesn't work the problem is definitely your breath.

[birthday cat]

(08-07-2017 05:42 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 05:22 PM)BrickLake Wrote:  

That was the whole point of this post, I think I've taken things as far as I can as a lone wolf. To level up, I need to create situations where I display massive value and have a funnel of women just effortlessly pouring in to my life.

I know what this looks like. I've seen it first hand.
That's why i'm frustrated and pissed at myself. Because I'm smarter than this and know better.
It's all about lifestyle setup.
Game is for suckers.

Need to figure out my best angle to set it up for myself.

Sounds like you don't need our help.

The majority of us here are fairly average dudes who are not "connected" or living baller lifestyles making money rain with VS models hanging off of us. We believe learning how to be good with people and women is a way to build social providence and get laid with the types of females you are attracted to.

Sounds like you're one step ahead of the pack already. You have the money and people skills as you say so yourself. How would you go about developing a lifestyle? Seeing as how 'game is for suckers' anyway.

GeneralStalin is probably right. You don't need our help. You never needed our help because you gave us the solution to your problem in your first post. It's your lifestyle. Although, if that's the solution and lifestyle improvements are going to bring you the fulfillment that you desire, then why are you here?

Millionaire Playboy or not, this thread is going in the same direction as almost all of the threads started by the 1st time posters. This was fairly predictable. Examples.....

(1) You already knew the solution. You just wanted us to verify the solution for you..... so you went through the trouble of creating an account and starting a new thread.

(2) The guys here quickly figured out that you were embellishing in some of your comments. You reluctantly admitted that you weren't quite as good as you said you were.

(3) You have no interest in meeting anyone.

(4) You are a new guy and you ask for our free advice but you only respond to a few of the comments and questions for you. For example, many guys mentioned moving abroad but you didn't address why this is or is not a possibility for you. Another example, we are confused about the city you live in which could have a significant influence on our advice but you aren't telling us anything even a vague statement like "no I don't live in SF".

(5) Things started to get a little uncomfortable for you and you retreated to one of your original solutions. "It's all about lifestyle setup. Game is for suckers."

We've seen these patterns many times with 1st time posters. Maybe you are the guy with enough intelligence or balls to admit that you actually don't have this figured out.

I've got two questions if you don't mind.

First, what is the real reason that banging 8s is so important to you?

Second, what happens after you bang a few 8s and keep them locked down in a short relationship? Where do you go after that?

[BrickLake]

(08-07-2017 07:53 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

You are a new guy and you ask for our free advice but you only respond to a few of the comments and questions for you. For example, many guys mentioned moving abroad but you didn't address why this is or is not a possibility for you.

Another example, we are confused about the city you live in which could have a significant influence on our advice but you aren't telling us anything even a vague statement like "no I don't live in SF".

I've got two questions if you don't mind.

First, what is the real reason that banging 8s is so important to you?

Second, what happens after you bang a few 8s and keep them locked down in a short relationship? Where do you go after that?

1. I've traveled internationally to many countries. Honestly haven't that had much luck, similar to the USA. I can get the average-attractive girls easily, but the stunners seem always just out of grasp. As a matter of fact the stunners seem even more unobtainable in foreign countries because they are the true jewels of their town, and seem extra suspicious/difficult to get at. Add the fact that traveling internationally I have literally 0 social proof and basically just a tourist.

Haven't been to Ukraine or Phillipines but don't have much interest in going there. I like the United States and will only be totally fulfilled by working harder and succeeding here.

Is it really that much easier if you just go to some non-touristy town in an economically depressed country? These girls still have instagram and if they have the goods they're still getting it from every direction from guys all over the world. It's not the 90's anymore.

The reason banging 8's is so important to me is because I've tasted the success. It's just inches from my grasp and this frustrates me and brings out my competitiveness. I'm also just intrigued about how I've run into such a consistent almost mathematical limit to my success that I'm determined to hack it and surpass it. I know what I want and I'm realistic, I'm not talking Victoria's secret models. I'm talking your dime a dozen sorority girl smokeshow 9/10 with 10k followers on instagram. When I encounter a girl with this objective level of physical attractiveness, it's 10X harder for me to pull and I just can't get them to stick.

If I was consistently banging 8's I'd probably just be in a relationship with one, travel, work on business and just be a happier guy. I hate settling and at this point in my life would I'd rather be a scheming lone wolf trying to improve my station in life and get hotter chicks than be in a relationship with an average chick I'm not head over heels for physically. Maybe in a few years I'll burn out and settle down.

[Sonoma]

To be honest, I think your above average looks is perhaps not above average enough, and your game is too weak to keep those 9s and 10s around.

I'll admit, my 9 or 10 count is near nil, but I always could at the very least keep them around for companionship and pull their friends. The 9s and 10s usually ended up with my male friends who are far more attractive to me, and it never bothered me, because most of the best looking girls are pretty wracked mentally (they both manage to be conceited and hyper sensitive to competition from other good looking girls)

Sexually, I find that the difference of a couple points in looks is not very correlated to how much I enjoyed gaming/landing them.

TLDR; hot chicks might not make you happy anyway and I wouldn't worry about it

[RoadTo100]

At a 4% withdrawal rate, 1.2M invested is a paltry 4K per month in passive income. With a 1M house and 1M liquid (biz value not mentioned) OP probably sold his biz (or some of his portfolio of sites) to get that 1M liquid. So monthly income may not be that high (and even if it is above average OP is just socking most of it away).

Your average 6 figure workerbee can earn that much in income from the sweat of his brow, and as we know the US culture is to spend, spend, spend to the point of debt. So no playboy lifestyle here (1M house ain't a panty dropper in the bay area due to insane housing costs).

What the OP COULD HAVE is 100% time freedom to pursue one of his "angles". But it sounds like he is opting to try to hit 4-5M by 40 instead. Which path would lead to better results, hard to say.

But seriously, there is something wrong with the guy if he comes onto the RVF after being a long time lurker and straight up disses one of the forum's most valuable contributors. So yeah, probably an autistic millionaire troll to boot. Fuck him.

[torridon747]

If you're a millionaire with good looks and you can't pull 8s your game is trash.

You're pulling 7s and below strictly because if your looks and money and likely what very little natural or studied game you do have.

You could be leveraging your wealth and looks but instead you re coasting on it. Fix that.

[Sidney Crosby]

Your game obviously needs work because on paper (if you are telling the truth) everything looks good.

[GlobalMan]

"I can't get the girls I want"

"Game is for suckers"

Just another summer among many lately.

[Travesty]

(08-07-2017 08:53 PM)RoadTo100 Wrote:  

(1M house ain't a panty dropper in the bay area due to insane housing costs).

He coulda built a moated fortress in the favellas of Medellin for that much...

[Jagnum]

There's a lot of good, nay great advice, on this thread.

The question is...what changes are you going to make now? I'd like to know that answer.

I posted a similar thread about "where are all the 8's?" with a similar quandary. If you haven't read that, it might help, although the advice given on this thread is better.

Here's a quick story:
One of my old roommates, I'd call her an 8, maybe an 8.5 if she puts on make-up and gets dressed up.

She was at a bar/club in Boston and her another girlfriend are getting their jackets, about to leave around midnight. One of the bouncers who works the door spots them and approaches them. He says, "Hey do you girls follow the NFL?"

They just kind of look at him, they aren't really sure what he's going to ask. He continues, "there's a party happening in the VIP area, with some NFL players. Do you two want to go?" They agree.

So they go back to this party in the VIP room and there's a couple of guys standing around. My roommate and this one guy start talking. He asks her what she does and she tells him she works at a hospital, and then she asks him what he does and he says, "I play football in the NFL".

She asks him what's that like, and he says, "It's kind of like getting hit with a semi-trailer for 60 minutes every Sunday."

They talk more, and this NFL player is very interested in her, making it known to her that he's interested in her. They exchange numbers. Her and her friend leave and he texts her. They chat a bit over text, he makes an obvious attempt to get her to come hang out with him (and his friends) at another spot around 2:30am, which only means one thing.

She turns that down, and they text a bit the next day, but she's leaving town and they don't meet up.

This isn't some chubby 350-lb offensive lineman. This is an athletic NFL player with a good face, and one now two Super Bowl rings.

She isn't a one night stand girl, and although she might go to clubs and parties and bars, she isn't just going to go home with someone, even if he's an athlete. The guy she ended up dating for six months when I lived with her was someone who STARTED OUT AS HER FRIEND FIRST.


Two reasons I mention this story:
1. I go out solo a lot too, and it's fine, but you're never going to get the 8's that way. That's just the truth. Unless you're LINUX.

Which by the way, you rejecting his offer, is a sign you're not serious about improving. But more than that, you're not as "good socially" as you think.

2. A lot of 8's are going to date within their social circle. While they aren't all prudish like my roommate, the truth is, the advice Scorpion gave is the path forward for you, if you're actually serious about this.

(08-06-2017 08:06 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Social circle is also key. As an extremely successful man with good social skills, you have a lot to offer. People will want to be your friend. Use your money to facilitate the growth of your social circle. Throw parties. Take people out on your boat. Invite a few guys for a weekend boys trip of golf, gambling and titty bars. Little things like that go a long way, and aren't going to seriously dent your pocketbook if you're a millionaire. The average choade millionaire is out buying a $250k car to try to impress people, meanwhile you can achieve a deeper and more lasting impact by dropping a couple thousand on a trip.

P.S. Guess where a few of my bangs came from last year? That same roommate/friend invited me to a friend's party after I'd lived with her for a year. I would have never heard about this party had she not been my friend. She didn't end up going (long story), but there were about 50 people there. I banged two girls from that party, one that same night and another after two dates. I'm not saying the girls I banged were 8's, but they were higher quality than I would get hitting the clubs and bars solo, without a doubt.

You are 30. Insanity is doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.

You're a smart guy obviously, and you don't have to an athlete or MMA star, because you have the money and intelligence to build a social circle, with the advice peppered throughout this thread. While the "8s" won't come overnight, it will come, it might just take a year or two to yield. Unless of course, you're LINUX. But you're not.

[Suits]

(08-07-2017 12:47 PM)BrickLake Wrote:  

My thread title was intentionally provocative just to get as many replies and opinions as I could. I'm obviously not a real playboy. Derek Jeter is a playboy. I'm just a dork with more resources than the average guy trying to punch above my weightclass.

There were multiple requests so i'll give some really high level advice on how to become an internet millionaire.

1. Read everything, business mags, books, study history/biz/philosophy in college. Also travel a lot, and be really curious about people. Always try to see things from other peoples perspective, be empathetic, try and figure out why they're doing what they do, what motivates them, what they're scared of. Something that helped me is thinking about the deeper underlying psychological reasons for consumer behavior from an evolutionary perspective.

Study the marketplace and see what successful companies are doing. Study the successful players.

The whole point to this nonsense is to develop an accurate mental model of how the world works so you can spot opportunities and run little simulations in your mind about how a business would play out. The better you understand how things actually work and what matters, the better ideas you'll have.

2. Be violently honest with yourself about what you're good at and what you're bad at. Don't waste time on stuff you're bad at find other smarter people to do that stuff for you.

3. Just try lots of stuff, and start immediately. Don't build some magical fantasy in your mind about some dream business that is out of your league and you're never actually going to start. Try to make 1 dollar, then how can I 10X that to make 10 dollars, and repeat. Always try to simplify, optimize and reduce steps in the process at every stage. That scalability has to be in mind from the ideas conception.

This is an NTP level mini-data sheet.

Note the lack of personal anecdotes, the mind-numbing generalities and the focus on platitudical advice.

OP is an "invented persona" troll.

[BrickLake]

(08-07-2017 10:46 PM)Suits Wrote:  

This is an NTP level mini-data sheet.

Note the lack of personal anecdotes, the mind-numbing generalities and the focus on platitudical advice.

OP is an "invented persona" troll.

There is a lot of good advice in this thread regarding lifestyle improvement, tactics/techniques, and potential blind spots or incongruencies I might have.

That's what I posted for.

I'm not here to talk about business, that's your own path and there's already libraries of great reading material on the subject.

Is it that hard to believe some dude with some cash and a pretty good setup is frustrated because he still can't pull the women he wants?

At the very least, let the community use this thread as a good case study about hitting material goals you've set for yourself but still not achieving the success with women you hoped.

[Travesty]

Yeah Suits open your eyes up to the possibilities, why don't you.