[jdelisi]

Since I recently turned 43, I am coming to the hard realization that the fat around my stomach and flanks is just not coming off with diet and exercise. I have always kept in good shape, I hit the gym 5 times a week, and generally my diet is smart. I recently came back from a trip to El Salvador, and on a trip to the beach with my 18 year old girlfriend, i caught her actually staring at my love handles and gut. This was a harsh wake up call, but if I am going to go after younger tail I need to feel and look my best.

Has anyone had this procedure done? If so, there are different types, the traditional method and Smart Lipo. I am trying to decide which one to do, and what the recovery would be like for both. Also, doctor in NY quoted $6000 for regular lipo, and the Smart Lipo doc quoted $4800. Please only respond if you had the procedure or know someone personally who did. There is plenty of info on the internet already.

[gringochileno]

It's always possible to lose weight. Gaining or losing weight comes down to calories in vs. calories out and getting older won't change the laws of thermodynamics. As you get older your resting metabolic rate slows down so you need to either exercise more or eat less than you did before to produce a caloric deficit. I'd recommend upping your exercise regimen or watching your diet more carefully before considering surgery as liposuction is a risky procedure (sites like this can help you calibrate your diet and exercise to your weight loss goals). Besides, if your lifestyle isn't conducive to keeping the weight off then it's just going to come back after the surgery. Not to mention that liposuction won't confer any of the health benefits that weight loss/fitness usually does, like reducing risk factors for diabetes or heart disease.

[Vacancier Permanent]

jdelsi,
Before you plunk 6K for liposucion in NY or anywhere in the US, let me tell you that if this is what you want to do (lipo), then there are other places where you can have it done for a fraction of the cost. As a matter of fact, in July I was in Thailand and I saw an ad in a paper in BKK that lipo can be done for $625 and I took a pic of that ad. As soon as I get a minute, I'll upload it here. I have no personal experience with lipo and I'm not looking at that anytime soon. however, I what I do know is anything you want done medically, can be done in Thailand and other places in Asia and South America, for a fraction of the overpriced clinics in North America. With the 6k you'd spend in a clinic in NY to get lipo done, you could have it done in Thailand while having an awesome vacation at the same time and you'd be left over with a couple of G's at the end of it all. Just some food for thought...And before you or anyone questions the quality of the docs in Thailand, 99% of the ones working at the major hospitals or clinics have all been formed in Europe or worst, in the US. To be frank, I'd much rather trust a Thai doctor than an American one.

[bmn200]

Read up on the paleo diet.

[Docter]

Liposuction? You must be super uncomfortable with yourself. Are you sure your girl was staring at your gut and not your dick?

I don't really understand. You say you work out a hell of a lot and eat well. Can you post your height/weight, gym schedule, and diet?

Lipo is a fucking crazy solution to an easy problem

[Smitty]

(09-04-2011 08:09 AM)bmn200 Wrote:  

Read up on the paleo diet.

+1
Not quite in my 40s, but I had some very stubborn fat around the mid-section and paleo was a good solution.
Plus, you'll feel a lot better eating on a paleo lifestyle.

[raliv]

Hcg diet. Its the radical 500 cal diet. I know lots of fatties who have dropped around 40 lbs in just a few weeks.

At least research it before doing lipo.

Also google the EC stack.

[Smitty]

I wouldn't do hCG -- injecting yourself with a pregnancy hormone...fuck that.

[MikeCF]

My ex got it. It's OK...Not great. It's easy to gain back, too. In fact, something like 80% don't look any different after 2 years.

[kbell]

Liposection will effect your ability to produce the hormone Leptin, which is made by fat cells. This tells you when your full and regulates metabolism. I've heard that Yohimbe extract helps with stubborn fat causes bad dreams too. 5 days of week could also be overtraining, and that will cause cortisol problems, which will cause stubborn weight and muscle mass loss.

You could also try eating 50 grams of protein in the morning to help reset leptin resistenance.
http://jackkruse.com/paleohacks.com/ques...z1OSGbYdeL

Also there is intermittent fasting and working out in a fasted state which fuels stubborn fat loss for some people.

Personally I've been starting to shed weight since I upped my daily dietery fat after keeping it lower for several months.

[Smitty]

(09-05-2011 12:34 AM)kbell Wrote:  

Personally I've been starting to shed weight since I upped my daily dietery fat after keeping it lower for several months.

The comment above is an important one. In the past, I've worked my ass off in the gym and closely watched what I ate to the point of only taking in 1200-1500 calories per day and over three months I barely lost any fat from my mid-section. It was only when I increased my calories by at least 1000 (including healthy fats in my diet) that my body brought itself out of "survival mode" and started letting go of the fat.
My point: Don't fall for the very low calorie and very low fat diets. Figure out your daily caloric requirement and subtract 10-20% from that and lose weight in a steady and healthy way. Also, as I've already stated, I recommend doing a Paleo diet. Combine all this with a solid workout plan that suits you and most importantly, stick to it.

[_DC_]

(09-03-2011 08:27 PM)jdelisi Wrote:  

Since I recently turned 43, I am coming to the hard realization that the fat around my stomach and flanks is just not coming off with diet and exercise. I have always kept in good shape, I hit the gym 5 times a week, and generally my diet is smart. I recently came back from a trip to El Salvador, and on a trip to the beach with my 18 year old girlfriend, i caught her actually staring at my love handles and gut. This was a harsh wake up call, but if I am going to go after younger tail I need to feel and look my best.

Has anyone had this procedure done? If so, there are different types, the traditional method and Smart Lipo. I am trying to decide which one to do, and what the recovery would be like for both. Also, doctor in NY quoted $6000 for regular lipo, and the Smart Lipo doc quoted $4800. Please only respond if you had the procedure or know someone personally who did. There is plenty of info on the internet already.

Lipo is such a cop out. Your metabolism might be slower in your 40s but that's no excuse.

If you want to feel better about yourself, then actually losing the weight is the way you want to go. How proud are you going to be about going to a clinic and getting that shit sucked out? Moreover, it sounds like its coming right back without lifestyle changes.

If you want to get "extreme", try some intermittent fasting. Look it up on the internet.

[BalkanCynic]

As an alternative, look into cryolipolysis. It's a non surgical fda approved method to freeze your fat. In some parts of EE, you can get treatments for about $500 per sessions. No idea about the effectiveness.

[guey]

(09-03-2011 08:27 PM)jdelisi Wrote:  

Since I recently turned 43, I am coming to the hard realization that the fat around my stomach and flanks is just not coming off with diet and exercise.

You simply are not training hard enough. I know it's tough, but it's a must.

It's simple math. Take in less calories than you burn each day. Work out hard. Just because someone "goes to the gym" means nothing. It's what you DO at the gym.

Take 2 months and stick to a GOOD diet and STRENUOUS workout. You will see a major difference in body fat percentage in just 2 months.

Liposuction will most likely make your skin look like crap. Especially since the skin elasticity of someone in their 40's isn't the best.

forum.bodybuilding.com - Read the stickies and follow the advice. Guaranteed results. THERE ARE NO SHORTCUTS. Forget about Lipo, you'll just gain it back anyway without a major change in your lifestyle.

buena suerte.

[bmn200]

Not all calories are created equal. On a lower carb diet you will lose weight faster, even if calorie intake and expenditure are equal. From experience.

[_DC_]

(09-10-2011 12:35 PM)bmn200 Wrote:  

Not all calories are created equal. On a lower carb diet you will lose weight faster, even if calorie intake and expenditure are equal. From experience.

Also, scientifically speaking, if you eat 1000 calories of pure carbs/fat, almost all of this will be available for energy/fat storage.

If you eat 1000 calories of pure protein, your body will need to expend 20-30% of the calories consumed in order to use the fuel as energy or fat storage (called the thermogenic effect of food, I believe). Effectively you've really only eaten 700-800 calories. Over many meals over days, this is a huge difference. Interestingly, alcohol is similar. This is straight up alcohol, however e.g. vodka. Obviously beer has a lot of carbs as well.

[Rebel]

I was having similar problems with fat around my stomach.

What I did and it worked was to eliminate or drastically decrease carbs at dinner time and until you go to bed.. That includes beer...

I dropped 2 inches in a month.

Try it.

[jdelisi]

(09-03-2011 08:27 PM)jdelisi Wrote:  

Since I recently turned 43, I am coming to the hard realization that the fat around my stomach and flanks is just not coming off with diet and exercise. I have always kept in good shape, I hit the gym 5 times a week, and generally my diet is smart. I recently came back from a trip to El Salvador, and on a trip to the beach with my 18 year old girlfriend, i caught her actually staring at my love handles and gut. This was a harsh wake up call, but if I am going to go after younger tail I need to feel and look my best.

Has anyone had this procedure done? If so, there are different types, the traditional method and Smart Lipo. I am trying to decide which one to do, and what the recovery would be like for both. Also, doctor in NY quoted $6000 for regular lipo, and the Smart Lipo doc quoted $4800. Please only respond if you had the procedure or know someone personally who did. There is plenty of info on the internet already.

I had the liposuction procedure done last week. I would like to post some before and after photos, but right now I am still swollen and really can't see the results. Stay tuned.

[Kaizen]

^ Any update on this JDel?

Happy with the results ?

Thanks

[CaptainCrazy]

(09-03-2011 08:27 PM)jdelisi Wrote:  

Since I recently turned 43, I am coming to the hard realization that the fat around my stomach and flanks is just not coming off with diet and exercise.

Bullshit.

1) Probably your diet or your exercise regime (or both) suck.

2) Read this http://www.startgainingmomentum.com/how-...rinciples/ (for haters: this is not my site)

3) Go on TRT

I do a complete keto (under 20gr of carbs per days), intermittent fasting 6 days per week and one full day of total fast per week on top of 5 days of CrossFit per week. Plus TRT.

You don't need a fucking liposuction, you need to get your shit together.

[ProfessorWolf]

Thanks for posting this I am close in age to the OP. I recently "got my shit together" (cyclical ketogenic paleo-diet + 6days on/1day off at the gym + PAAG stack + Cissus Quandrangularis + Greens Superfood with probotics + Meditation + 6-8hours restful sleep. At the gym I do Shortcut To Shred which combines HIIT cardio with Resistence training as designed by a Yale PhD sports medicine professor.)

I still have love-handles.

After reading the Bodybuilding.com fourm they concluded that
1. depending on your genetics your body will preferentially distrubute fat to different locations.

2. love handles are a hardcore survival fat storage location so they do not come off easily, often they are the last to come off

3. the danger of lipo is that your fat regain will occur in other places such as the visceral deposit which cannot be surgically removed, will make you look like you have a beer gut, AND will give you diabetes and metabolic syndrome if allowed to grow to big

4. smart lipo removes 80% of the fat cells cryolipois removes about 20% and is much safer and cheaper

My thoughts, if professional bodybuilders are discussing the difficulty of love-handles it is an issue that goes beyond diet-exercise. My plan is to go hardcore with diet-exercise and supplemenation for 1year, check for any thyroid or missing nutrient issues, use IF. And if I still can't lose them. then give myself some outpatient surgical treatment in Thailand as a last resort.

another option if you only have slight love handles is to wear an, ahem, "compression garment" like spanx for men (ok lets call it what is really is: man-girdle). which will work for 99% of the situations you are in except the beach. It is cheaper than surgery and it will help you realize that people treat you no differently with an altered appearence.

Finally, as someone else pointed out, a jelly role around your midsection isn't nearly as important as your beliefs about it are. if its not a big deal to you it won't be to her either. as far as your apperance goes. maximize and let it go, maximize and let it go, maximize and let it go.

[kbell]

This may be crazy but love handles might be a healthy thing if they aren't super large. Especially if your suddenly hit with diarrhea bad (several days or more) or something that prevents you from eating for awhile. Its possible they may never go away entirely but can be shrunk quite a bit with diet and lifestyle.

[ProfessorWolf]

The problem is it interferes with the "Taper-V" look of the male torso that is a universal beauty standard around the world and across history.

in general wasit:hip should equal 90% at minimum and 80% at ideal proportion. love-handles ruin the effect.

[djjunior]

Calorie Track - My Plate App
After-burn Training - Look it up

No Alcohol for 3 months, you will see HUGE changes if you apply this with proper diet and exercise