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10 Days In Kiev Report
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I just came back from spending 10 days in Ukraine. I loved every minute of it. I didn’t have sex with any girls, I kissed the best looking girls in my life, I got hustled, ill try and write as much from my trip here as I can without boring you. Honestly so much happened to me, sorry that this is a long post but hopefully there is some useful info / you enjoy the read.

The first 4 days I was day gaming solidly, I must’ve walked 20km a day, day game was good, I was getting lots of numbers, lots of girls were very excited that I was from England, I honestly made some of their day, the mistake I made was that I wouldn’t open two sets, but towards the end of my day gaming days I started to and the girls would look at amazement at each other that I was from England. Also I don’t think the summer is the best time to come here, I met girls who were visiting for the day, who were leaving, there was a festival on – atlas weekend and girls were over just for that, logistics were off.

Another mistake I made is that I was closing on instagram, my instagram is full of high end fashion and me in expensive places, I definitely had gold diggers that just wanted me to take them out for coffee, even though it was about £4 this is loads for a Ukrainian, although im sure this happened with a girl I had pipelined through insta before going, I did manage to make out with her lots on the first date. I found that ukranians really don’t even kiss on a first date, and will move their head even if they are interested.

I met girls who were excited to practice their English, this is the only reason they would meet, I’d run my usual game but they would not put out, they knew what I was after, and would not see me again.

The girls are incredible and are in abundance, I daygamed around khreschatyk street, I also tried mariinsky park but didn’t think there were enough girls and also around golden gate, schevchenko park was not as busy but I felt it was a calmer vibe, easier to stop girls, on khreschatyk street some girls would not stop, also I am south Asian and I really thought that some of them thought I was a Turkish creep.

Most my time was spent day gaming khreschatyk street, its the best spot and my apartment was 3 minutes away.

The girls are stunning, they are thin, very feminine, lipstick, nails done, long beautiful hair, amazing facial features.

The English is not great in Kyiv, some can speak English but are scared to do so, I would always encourage them and say your English is very good! This worked well. They will also always ask why you are in Ukraine, I had a story made up about my close friend being from Crimea, I came to visit her but she comes to kyiv on the weekend ,so im on my own for a week.

I had 3 different girls show me around the city, I made out with all of them, and managed to get them back to my apartment but I could not sleep with them, it was too difficult, even after already kissing them, they would not always kiss me and move their head, I felt like in public they would not want to kiss because they would have to reapply their make-up and lipstick, looking good is very important in Kiev, one girl told me even if they go to the garden for 2 minutes they would apply their make-up to do so.

One of the girls I met showed me around the cathedrals but I had to break her off to go on another date, after the date ends she wants to see me again, we end up watching the sunrise together at maidan square. I try to pull her to my apartment but she does not come into my room.

Towards the stint of day-gaming for 3 / 4 days solid I have a lot of contacts, I was able to get about 4 dates a day. I was never really content with the girl, because even though she was incredibly attractive , the talent here is so unbelievable.

I go out on the Friday night, I tried sorry babushka first but I didn’t like it, I go to CHI instead. Incredible. There are 8/9’s everywhere, they have face control, I’m still not entirely sure what this means but they don’t let you in if you’re ugly? I get there about 12:30, I honestly don’t know where to look, I’m staring at a 9, to then stare at another four 9’s in three seconds. I talk to a girl who has good English, she turns out to be Lithuanian, blonde, blue eyes, and thin , I heavily make out with her, I pull her to the edge of CHI to watch the sunrise, I am biting her neck and fingering her, I tell her I want to fuck you, I try to pull her back to my place but she wants to stay with her friends, we end up all getting a cab back as we live near each other, but she doesn’t come to mine just stays with her friends. I don’t see her again but she is from Vilnius so maybe someone I can meet if I go there.

I had never walked so much in my life as I did in those 10 days, people in kiev walk everywhere, and its their culture that you shouldn’t be at home doing nothing, they cant afford much, so they don’t really go to bars/nightclubs/restaurants. They go for walks.

I didn’t do as much gutter game as I probably should have, but I approached a Ukrainian 8 at night who was all over me and couldn’t speak a word of English, we use google translate. Her friends came and translated for us, I ended up at a bar with them and they all ended up back at my apartment to carry on drinking until 5am, the 8 was stoking my hair and saying Ukrainian boys don’t have hair like this, she was saying her heart was breaking because she couldn’t speak English with me, she ended up having a nap in my bed, I was waiting for her friends to leave but they wouldn’t, I went to “check up on her” and was trying to get the make out but she would only peck me on the lips. They left mine at 5am but they invited me out the next day.

We go to forsage nightclub and more of her friends are there, they are all smoking hot, they get shisha and one girl is blowing shisha smoke into the other girls mouth, which she then blows out again, I feel like im in a hip-hop MTV video. She teases me for ages grinding on me but moving her head while I try to kiss her, she is hot, long blonde hair and very Ukrainian looking facial features. eventually we do kiss, usually there is build up to tongue, but she sticks It right down there, I feel like I’m in a porno, she definitely looks like a pornstar too. We all leave and she gives me a quick peck goodbye as their taxi arrives. This is the last time I see her as she works a 24 hour shift the next day and I leave the country shortly. We still keep in touch and she wants me to come back.

While were in forsage I see really hot girls but I don’t approach them, I feel like they are eye fucking me. the next day I come on my own and open about 50 sets with “ do you speak English” they all pretty much say no or nyet (no in Russian) I cut my losses and go home.

Towards the end of the trip I meet up with a girl who I had met a few days before but went on holiday to another city in Ukraine, she is a model (theyre all models here??) and we spend a good two days together, she shows me the modern museum of art, the beach, st nicholas cathedral, but she is like a corpse, she really does not talk, she doesn’t even say yes or no but uh huh, or nuh huh, luckily I can talk to myself but it is a real struggle, I know that a lot of Ukrainian girls are like this, the culture is that the man entertains the girl, there are long silences in our conversation, but she is so hot. She wants me to come back for kiev fashion week.

The last Saturday I go to CHI again, I make a really big mistake of asking a gold digger to come with me, she took me to a very expensive coffee place when we met, I pretty much sponsor her night paying for everything. I don’t get anything from her in return, she towers over me (im 6ft) as she is a legit model. I wasted my time with her.

I dated about 10 different girls, I had 2nd dates with 4 of them, 3rd dates were arranged but the girls went AWOL, I ask one of them to chill at my apartment because she had been working 11 days straight and so was “tired” she says no. I ran out of time with the pornstar looking blonde and the fashion week one. I had girls who just wanted a free meal and just wanted to practice English. I loved Kiev, but don’t know if I’ll come back. I have girls waiting for me but is it even real if I didn’t sleep with them, with the amount of dates I was getting and with the British factor maybe I would’ve got laid but you definitely need time. I had a great experience anyway, enjoyed the city and people.

I need something easier for a lay, might go to Krakow in September.

Thanks for reading.
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Thanks for this great report

I got some flashback of me walking on Kreshatik and opening some smoking hot 8's

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Quote: (07-11-2017 03:16 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  

I just came back from spending 10 days in Ukraine. I loved every minute of it. I didn’t have sex with any girls, I kissed the best looking girls in my life, I got hustled, ill try and write as much from my trip here as I can without boring you. Honestly so much happened to me, sorry that this is a long post but hopefully there is some useful info / you enjoy the read.

The first 4 days I was day gaming solidly, I must’ve walked 20km a day, day game was good, I was getting lots of numbers, lots of girls were very excited that I was from England, I honestly made some of their day, the mistake I made was that I wouldn’t open two sets, but towards the end of my day gaming days I started to and the girls would look at amazement at each other that I was from England. Also I don’t think the summer is the best time to come here, I met girls who were visiting for the day, who were leaving, there was a festival on – atlas weekend and girls were over just for that, logistics were off.

Another mistake I made is that I was closing on instagram, my instagram is full of high end fashion and me in expensive places, I definitely had gold diggers that just wanted me to take them out for coffee, even though it was about £4 this is loads for a Ukrainian, although im sure this happened with a girl I had pipelined through insta before going, I did manage to make out with her lots on the first date. I found that ukranians really don’t even kiss on a first date, and will move their head even if they are interested.

I met girls who were excited to practice their English, this is the only reason they would meet, I’d run my usual game but they would not put out, they knew what I was after, and would not see me again.

The girls are incredible and are in abundance, I daygamed around khreschatyk street, I also tried mariinsky park but didn’t think there were enough girls and also around golden gate, schevchenko park was not as busy but I felt it was a calmer vibe, easier to stop girls, on khreschatyk street some girls would not stop, also I am south Asian and I really thought that some of them thought I was a Turkish creep.

Most my time was spent day gaming khreschatyk street, its the best spot and my apartment was 3 minutes away.

The girls are stunning, they are thin, very feminine, lipstick, nails done, long beautiful hair, amazing facial features.

The English is not great in Kyiv, some can speak English but are scared to do so, I would always encourage them and say your English is very good! This worked well. They will also always ask why you are in Ukraine, I had a story made up about my close friend being from Crimea, I came to visit her but she comes to kyiv on the weekend ,so im on my own for a week.

I had 3 different girls show me around the city, I made out with all of them, and managed to get them back to my apartment but I could not sleep with them, it was too difficult, even after already kissing them, they would not always kiss me and move their head, I felt like in public they would not want to kiss because they would have to reapply their make-up and lipstick, looking good is very important in Kiev, one girl told me even if they go to the garden for 2 minutes they would apply their make-up to do so.

One of the girls I met showed me around the cathedrals but I had to break her off to go on another date, after the date ends she wants to see me again, we end up watching the sunrise together at maidan square. I try to pull her to my apartment but she does not come into my room.

Towards the stint of day-gaming for 3 / 4 days solid I have a lot of contacts, I was able to get about 4 dates a day. I was never really content with the girl, because even though she was incredibly attractive , the talent here is so unbelievable.

I go out on the Friday night, I tried sorry babushka first but I didn’t like it, I go to CHI instead. Incredible. There are 8/9’s everywhere, they have face control, I’m still not entirely sure what this means but they don’t let you in if you’re ugly? I get there about 12:30, I honestly don’t know where to look, I’m staring at a 9, to then stare at another four 9’s in three seconds. I talk to a girl who has good English, she turns out to be Lithuanian, blonde, blue eyes, and thin , I heavily make out with her, I pull her to the edge of CHI to watch the sunrise, I am biting her neck and fingering her, I tell her I want to fuck you, I try to pull her back to my place but she wants to stay with her friends, we end up all getting a cab back as we live near each other, but she doesn’t come to mine just stays with her friends. I don’t see her again but she is from Vilnius so maybe someone I can meet if I go there.

I had never walked so much in my life as I did in those 10 days, people in kiev walk everywhere, and its their culture that you shouldn’t be at home doing nothing, they cant afford much, so they don’t really go to bars/nightclubs/restaurants. They go for walks.

I didn’t do as much gutter game as I probably should have, but I approached a Ukrainian 8 at night who was all over me and couldn’t speak a word of English, we use google translate. Her friends came and translated for us, I ended up at a bar with them and they all ended up back at my apartment to carry on drinking until 5am, the 8 was stoking my hair and saying Ukrainian boys don’t have hair like this, she was saying her heart was breaking because she couldn’t speak English with me, she ended up having a nap in my bed, I was waiting for her friends to leave but they wouldn’t, I went to “check up on her” and was trying to get the make out but she would only peck me on the lips. They left mine at 5am but they invited me out the next day.

We go to forsage nightclub and more of her friends are there, they are all smoking hot, they get shisha and one girl is blowing shisha smoke into the other girls mouth, which she then blows out again, I feel like im in a hip-hop MTV video. She teases me for ages grinding on me but moving her head while I try to kiss her, she is hot, long blonde hair and very Ukrainian looking facial features. eventually we do kiss, usually there is build up to tongue, but she sticks It right down there, I feel like I’m in a porno, she definitely looks like a pornstar too. We all leave and she gives me a quick peck goodbye as their taxi arrives. This is the last time I see her as she works a 24 hour shift the next day and I leave the country shortly. We still keep in touch and she wants me to come back.

While were in forsage I see really hot girls but I don’t approach them, I feel like they are eye fucking me. the next day I come on my own and open about 50 sets with “ do you speak English” they all pretty much say no or nyet (no in Russian) I cut my losses and go home.

Towards the end of the trip I meet up with a girl who I had met a few days before but went on holiday to another city in Ukraine, she is a model (theyre all models here??) and we spend a good two days together, she shows me the modern museum of art, the beach, st nicholas cathedral, but she is like a corpse, she really does not talk, she doesn’t even say yes or no but uh huh, or nuh huh, luckily I can talk to myself but it is a real struggle, I know that a lot of Ukrainian girls are like this, the culture is that the man entertains the girl, there are long silences in our conversation, but she is so hot. She wants me to come back for kiev fashion week.

The last Saturday I go to CHI again, I make a really big mistake of asking a gold digger to come with me, she took me to a very expensive coffee place when we met, I pretty much sponsor her night paying for everything. I don’t get anything from her in return, she towers over me (im 6ft) as she is a legit model. I wasted my time with her.

I dated about 10 different girls, I had 2nd dates with 4 of them, 3rd dates were arranged but the girls went AWOL, I ask one of them to chill at my apartment because she had been working 11 days straight and so was “tired” she says no. I ran out of time with the pornstar looking blonde and the fashion week one. I had girls who just wanted a free meal and just wanted to practice English. I loved Kiev, but don’t know if I’ll come back. I have girls waiting for me but is it even real if I didn’t sleep with them, with the amount of dates I was getting and with the British factor maybe I would’ve got laid but you definitely need time. I had a great experience anyway, enjoyed the city and people.

I need something easier for a lay, might go to Krakow in September.

Thanks for reading.

Krakow?? You are very funny guy.
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Nice report, also don't go to Krakow you will have a way harder time getting girls than in Kiev, in general you should avoid Poland for girls, Romania would be a better option - this is coming from a Polish guy.
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Great report, such a blue balled trip.

I wonder if any of the vets on here would have some advice on how to finish these women, You certainly got almost home many times?
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Quote: (07-11-2017 08:17 PM)RatInTheWoods Wrote:  

Great report, such a blue balled trip.

I wonder if any of the vets on here would have some advice on how to finish these women, You certainly got almost home many times?

Stay longer, I have more time in Russia (parents are Russian) than Ukraine but I just suggest to stay for a longer duration.

Sounds like the OP had a good hustle based on the amount of dates stated.

Sounded like he was a little to anxious to get them in bed and they caught on to it. Nothing wrong with that in the West, but it does not work like that in Ukraine unless you're throwing money around or going for low quality girls.

I think the OP did fine and should invest in another but longer trip and execute some courtship practices. I personally like how he was describing the girls reserved nature.

Always makes me smile when I hear stories like this.

This is coming from a guy who just broke down and had a ONS with a 4th wave Feminist 6 this evening in Austin TX. I would have taken a traditional reserved 8 and a peck on the lips after a walk through a garden with future fucking potential over the guilt shame and humiliation I feel now having glove busted into a tyrant of a female who would not shut the fuck up about her dog.

I can't wait to get back to Ukraine in October.

Nice post OP don't give up on Ukraine, sounds like you did alright for 10 days.
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RatInTheWoods I have never been to Ukraine but my guess would be that is that there are no shortcuts or substitutes to putting in the face time with girls. I assume if he had stayed for 3 or 4 weeks he would have gotten a lot of lays which would have come on the 4th or 5th or 6th date with girls. As Roosh pointed out before its not a place for fast sex.
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I really liked what you said about not being content because of how many hot girls were all around you. I really struggled with this in Moscow. I'm loving your excitement and enthusiasm. This took me back to my first trip there. Well done. Keep up with the hotties and share your life along the way. Your follow up trip will be so much better. You did well. I got laid once in 10 days and she yelled at me and hit me when we woke up. Then she made me tea.
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My message would be to use it as experience, I had a torrid time in Minsk a year ago and came back with my confidence shot, fast forward a year and I have been swimming in pussy juice in Central Asia.

Do not care what anybody else says there will always be an element of luck and good fortune involved, I had no breaks in Minsk but have been very lucky in Central Asia.
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#10
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Nice report, there is one important thing though that you must keep in mind - Ukrainian girls do not often like to kiss strangers, especially in public. You are better putting your hand on her thigh or her waist.

The Ukrainian girls do unfortunately sometimes come to your apartment but do not spread their legs, seems like it happened to you a few times though which makes me wonder if you escalated hard enough, because if you did then they would know what is on the menu when you take them home. You can also try getting them properly drunk before they come home, and also have a bottle of something at home
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nice fun report to read! Was also in Kiev with my now ex girl at the same time [Image: smile.gif]
Have to say I never have any issues lining up dates in Kiev.. and have been lucky a couple times to have sex on date 2 [Image: biggrin.gif] One being with the girl I had been seeing for 8 months after that (she was that good!)
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Question to EE experts:
If you do stay for only about a week, what would be the best destination / situation where you can meet these kind of quality girls, but get the notch?
It's a pretty common problem when you're a tourist in an urban destination and all girls got their own stuff to do (school / work), so you can end up meeting multiple girls, but just for few hours, without really getting anywhere.
Would Odessa for example be a better destination, considering that it is somewhat a resort destination?
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my personal preference? line up dates for day 1 online first. Start chatting a week or 2 in advance, get to know the girl/s.... establish some rapport, speak on viber, video chat even... send flowers blind like that!!! Worked for me in the past, they love it. One date, brought me a cake at the restaurant to thank me for the roses i sent her IN ADVANCE of meeting her first time. Now, we are talking older targets (but still super fucking hot!!!) 25-33 so more mature, but obviously these things impress them a lot. Another one, got the bang on date 2, and she was WILD.
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Quote: (07-12-2017 04:02 AM)youngbuck Wrote:  

Question to EE experts:
If you do stay for only about a week, what would be the best destination / situation where you can meet these kind of quality girls, but get the notch?
It's a pretty common problem when you're a tourist in an urban destination and all girls got their own stuff to do (school / work), so you can end up meeting multiple girls, but just for few hours, without really getting anywhere.
Would Odessa for example be a better destination, considering that it is somewhat a resort destination?

Any brothel or strip club

They don't refuse you have sex with you because they are busy, it's because you are ugly and/or not spending money on them.
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Quote: (07-12-2017 04:28 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

They don't refuse you have sex with you because they are busy, it's because you are ugly and/or not spending money on them.


Quote: (07-11-2017 03:16 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  

The last Saturday I go to CHI again, I make a really big mistake of asking a gold digger to come with me, she took me to a very expensive coffee place when we met, I pretty much sponsor her night paying for everything. I don’t get anything from her in return, she towers over me (im 6ft) as she is a legit model. I wasted my time with her.

I'm not sure simply spending money would be a good tactic. I read various posts here of people getting suckered.
What would be a reasonable amount to spend though? did you get notches on first dates in Ukraine simply by buying a dinner?
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first date no, second date yes. Lunch, plus dinner and drinks after = bang [Image: biggrin.gif]
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The question of youngbuck is legit, it is normal that the mood and availability of a girl is different if she stays at home working/studying or she is free on vacation. Generally speaking talking about EE the most difficult country is definitely Poland. In Ukraine it is easier to get a shag but you need solid looks and being American makes things difficult/longer sometimes because it is not regarded as a country of lovers unlike France, Spain, etc. I think that Czech Republic is the best option for this purpose, religious beliefs are not existent and girls are open to foreigners.
It might seem tricky but overall it is easier to find EE girls while on holiday. For example in coast of Spain, Barcelona or Lisbon; or beach places like Odessa, Mamaia, Greek Islands.
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I am in Odessa now ... Experiencing the same thing 2 date last night ...tried to escalate as much as possible at the table , with little response ...I initially got the "I'm not giving you a summer romance".... last night--- I have to go home to work , she does have a ligite job ....We were out till 1 am , she knows I leave in 5 dayswondering if I give it one more night or jump back to approaching and tinder .. Bottom line it looks like after 2 dates and I'm not getting anything cut bait in the Ukraine scene?
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Quote: (07-12-2017 04:38 AM)youngbuck Wrote:  

Quote: (07-12-2017 04:28 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

They don't refuse you have sex with you because they are busy, it's because you are ugly and/or not spending money on them.


Quote: (07-11-2017 03:16 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  

The last Saturday I go to CHI again, I make a really big mistake of asking a gold digger to come with me, she took me to a very expensive coffee place when we met, I pretty much sponsor her night paying for everything. I don’t get anything from her in return, she towers over me (im 6ft) as she is a legit model. I wasted my time with her.

I'm not sure simply spending money would be a good tactic. I read various posts here of people getting suckered.
What would be a reasonable amount to spend though? did you get notches on first dates in Ukraine simply by buying a dinner?

I didn't imply that you should spend money on therm, you are asking about meeting top quality girls. The only way you will get them without dropping dough is by looking like a bronze adonis, even then you need to spend a fair amount

Yeah top girls in Ukraine are very busy, busy slutting themselves to the highest bidder.
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Quote:Quote:

Generally speaking talking about EE the most difficult country is definitely Poland.

How you haven't been banhammered yet is beyond me
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Quote: (07-12-2017 06:12 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-12-2017 04:38 AM)youngbuck Wrote:  

Quote: (07-12-2017 04:28 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

They don't refuse you have sex with you because they are busy, it's because you are ugly and/or not spending money on them.


Quote: (07-11-2017 03:16 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  

The last Saturday I go to CHI again, I make a really big mistake of asking a gold digger to come with me, she took me to a very expensive coffee place when we met, I pretty much sponsor her night paying for everything. I don’t get anything from her in return, she towers over me (im 6ft) as she is a legit model. I wasted my time with her.

I'm not sure simply spending money would be a good tactic. I read various posts here of people getting suckered.
What would be a reasonable amount to spend though? did you get notches on first dates in Ukraine simply by buying a dinner?

I didn't imply that you should spend money on therm, you are asking about meeting top quality girls. The only way you will get them without dropping dough is by looking like a bronze adonis, even then you need to spend a fair amount

Yeah top girls in Ukraine are very busy, busy slutting themselves to the highest bidder.

So what is the merit of Ukraine, from your perspective? Hot Gold diggers can be found anywhere. Girls that are 7 or 8 can be found anywhere too. I'm not sure I understand whether you like the country or not. Or is the main advantage that you find is that the total spend with these gold diggers would simply be significantly lower than gold diggers in western countries?
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Quote: (07-12-2017 06:27 AM)youngbuck Wrote:  

Quote: (07-12-2017 06:12 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

Quote: (07-12-2017 04:38 AM)youngbuck Wrote:  

Quote: (07-12-2017 04:28 AM)BangBoy123 Wrote:  

They don't refuse you have sex with you because they are busy, it's because you are ugly and/or not spending money on them.


Quote: (07-11-2017 03:16 PM)wonderer1 Wrote:  

The last Saturday I go to CHI again, I make a really big mistake of asking a gold digger to come with me, she took me to a very expensive coffee place when we met, I pretty much sponsor her night paying for everything. I don’t get anything from her in return, she towers over me (im 6ft) as she is a legit model. I wasted my time with her.

I'm not sure simply spending money would be a good tactic. I read various posts here of people getting suckered.
What would be a reasonable amount to spend though? did you get notches on first dates in Ukraine simply by buying a dinner?

I didn't imply that you should spend money on therm, you are asking about meeting top quality girls. The only way you will get them without dropping dough is by looking like a bronze adonis, even then you need to spend a fair amount

Yeah top girls in Ukraine are very busy, busy slutting themselves to the highest bidder.

So what is the merit of Ukraine, from your perspective? Hot Gold diggers can be found anywhere. Girls that are 7 or 8 can be found anywhere too. I'm not sure I understand whether you like the country or not. Or is the main advantage that you find is that the total spend with these gold diggers would simply be significantly lower than gold diggers in western countries?

It seems you have little experience in the country, therefore it might be worth paying attention to those who have.

I think Odessa is the perfect place for you, you don't need money just your charming personality will be enough and a PUA manual or two. Can't fail, let us know how you get on.

I'm here to bang cute young students
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^ You're right, I was never in Ukraine. I'm asking legit questions but it seems you choose to respond sarcastically, which doesn't really benefit the discussion.
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I think only Rocha gets ONS from clubs in Kiev, as far as I remember.

I think it's meaningless for anyone who can't spend at least one month in Kiev to waste his money and time to kiss 'beauties' and end up masturbating every night.
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Getting ONS is definitely possible in Ukraine and FSU, even without Russian, if you dress well, have good looks and know how to operate in such environment. Not for everyone but I don't buy the opinion of them being "conservative". I have a different experience. You just need to do the right escalation and do your homework before coming. Deb Auchery and Rocha are the example of people who are successfull in Ukraine.
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