Quote: (12-29-2017 04:47 PM)Aurini Wrote:
Wish I had some advice to offer. The endless, destructive rationalizations of these people is too much for me though. I was going to suggest a trip into the outback and a noose...
I see you've also crossed the Gamma Disgust Threshold, Davis. The advice from you I might need would be how do I continue to relate to him as a Christian.
Speculation made an interesting observation earlier about Vox Day having Gamma Traits, but that could just be more evidence that Sigma and Gamma are the extreme polarities of one type. I have noticed he often later brings up ideas that others have mentioned on his blog as his own further down the track, presenting them as his own observed thought without credit. Could that be a tell? Note my Stepfather functionally rewording my conversation with my sister about Quintus' translation work, or - a classic Gamma tell - thinking making reference to movies or quoting them outright functions as humour or a sign of higher intelligence. I'm out of touch with current pop culture, but the guy who is loudly-saying 'Oh behave!' like Austin Powers to a woman in a social situation is going to be your Gamma. (Or a Poof, which, once again suggests a link with identifying with the mother than the father).
In a way, they function like Samplers. They can't seem but help to capture and repeat the ideas of others. Where traditional sampling can be even as pathetic as saying "I like that drum loop, but if I go 'yo' on the fourth beat, then this is my own original creation," a Gamma just seems to say "I like that drum loop" and then rewrites reality in his head to genuinely-believe he created it. He'll try to sample the Alpha or what he mistakenly-believes is Alpha behaviour and humour but the playback will just sound off.
That's not saying they're not capable of original thought - remember, some can be insanely-talented in their particular sphere of knowledge. It's just the Gamma dysfunctions really start when they voice unpopular or obviously-wrong thought, so I suspect it's often safer for them to replay someone else's previously-observed, well-received thought.
It's curious Vox has never grown tired of kicking John Scalzi after all these years. Why no Gamma Disgust Threshold Response by now? Most likely, Vox understands he has an ongoing blog with a turnover in readership, so it's always useful to keep pointing out Gamma.
This did me in re: Scalzi, and I'd only been reading about him for a year or so. He ceased to be of further interest because once you cross that threshold, you feel dirty even observing them further, even to laugh at them. Staring into the abyss...
Note that it's not homophobia talking: it's the disgust of watching someone do stupid things that make them look creepy or clueless in the desperate hope of seeking even the slimmest chance of positive social reinforcement, such as my Stepfather's ongoing need to tell the Breastfeeding story.
My tell for Gamma on Social Media was always the Quizzical Eyebrow by what's become known a 'nu-male' or 'soyboy'. I'm guessing they think they come across as Sean Connery, but it's bordering on an autistic misunderstanding of facial cues.
Unsurprisingly:
I suspect this
thing is also a sign of a son raised by a dominant female:
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Do you feel the contempt in your gut? Now imagine studying one of those guys for a year. See how you'd eventually break?
Debeguiled: some of my earliest posts on the topic of Gamma were about the strong dislike women have for them, and the polite toleration / nice guy orbiting pattern you can usually observe with girls who try too hard to be 'nice'. It's how I immediately-recognised Gamma as valid from Vox's original posts. "Oh, boy do I know this." I'll find some links for you later today.
The thing with Gamma and Women: the resentment towards the Gamma builds over time, because of the their lack of respect for the man. When the women eventually-crosses the Gamma Disgust Threshold, you'll either see a huge meltdown by the girl, or the complete cutting off of all contact, as in the case of Hayley not answering the door for my stepfather. (When we were still teenagers, my sister used to turn off all the lights and appliances when her Gamma Orbiter would pull up in his car outside, and we'd lie on the hallway floor, away from all the windows until he left. The problem was, he'd wait out there for an hour or more sometimes, in the hope of seeing her. My sister: "Why won't he
just leave?" Eventually, I just started talking to him and saying "She's not here," or "She's gone for the day."
That's another common Gamma Tell from a woman: "Why won't he just move on / leave me alone / stop hassling me / find someone else?"
My Theory: Gamma pushes a feminine women into the arms of an Alpha for protection from him.
The Gamma would say the Alpha's 'tricked' her and he 'doesn't deserve her.'
I used to say "She willingly chose him" to them, but I think probably what I should be saying is "She willingly chose him because he can beat you up if you don't stop pestering her."
Gamma is a form of slow mental harassment on a female. As Vox Day observed, they're natural stalkers.
I've mentioned before how they usually end up in relationships with older, masculinized women where the Gamma falls into a submissive role, because he'll
always identify as a male feminist.
On the woman's part, they understand they have limited value to men as they've aged, and that might explain it, but I suspect that Women who 'settle' for a Gamma, (and I've observed it's always a frustrated sigh on entering into a relationship with one, rather than observable passion), are women whose psychological-makeup operates around a simmering hatred / annoyance with men, particularly when it comes to uselessness or weakness.
I suspect they choose a Gamma because they subconsciously know he'll consistently-disappoint them, thereby confirming their prejudices and letting them continue to feel victimized or let down by the male sex. They seem to have no problem publicly-belittling their man for his lack of capacity to be an adult in front of others, and the Gamma won't ever defend himself because she is always right. It's some kind of dysfunctional co-dependency.
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If anyone's wondering why I'd take in the son of a Gamma: he's repeatedly-said the phrases "I don't know" or "I'm not sure" when questioned as we've tried to get him into the Social Welfare system. He also thanked me for my help: "I would... never have known how to do all this."
As Vox has observed, Gammas already known everything, and their knowledge surpasses even experts in the field. Most won't thank you because you should obviously go out of your way for them anyway.
The Kid's a Dependable Delta, but, given he's blonde / blue-eyed, six foot five and slim, I'm sure a couple of years hanging around Bill and I will naturally bring him up to Beta.
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Suits: I don't write much about Alpha or Beta because they strike me as fairly-self evident. Everyone knows what Alpha is. For Beta, read Vox's definition. They're the Alpha/s second/s-in-command. They do fairly well with women, (more so that Deltas), but they're just not the natural leaders or naturally-attract the hottest girls, though they can often punch above their weight class. Your average Rugby Team would be comprised of Alphas (who'll gradually transfer into coaching and organisational roles as they age), Betas and a number of Deltas, whom will dependably show up for each game, but they will never be star players or draw the spotlight. They'll probably be the first guys in the team to get married, particularly if they're targeted by woman around the team who can't bag the attention of a higher value mark.
Note that Betas can be Situational Alphas, but no Alpha will arise in a group of Deltas: their projects tend towards Negotiated and Agreed Upon Teamwork.
I've also suspected Gamma can function as the Situational Alpha to Omegas.
Note I would have originally said I was a Beta / Situational Alpha, but as I increasingly-understood Sigma, particularly its observable dysfunctions that I control, I can see I'm that. Betas are happy to be in the Alpha's presence, whereas I perform as Beta for Social Functionality, since I see everything as Game. When I'm hanging with those guys, I'd never have the kind of conversations I have on here. They get the simplified, two-dimensional Bosch. I'm not saying I think I'm better than then and don't like them for what they are, (though Alphas often annoy me for not thinking before they act), there's just no point confusing them with complexity.
In conversation, I can often think of the Sigma Responses to prick at the Alpha's pomposity, (an Alpha would never see it in himself), but I simply taught myself to temper the desire to act out and increase conflict for no obvious social gain. Sigma is there, I just keep him on a leash, whereas a conversation with Bill or my Sister, (a similarly-tempered Sigma), is like running around a summer paddock.
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Comte: do you think your father's neuroticism - I recognise my mother in your statements - came from possessing a high intelligence, or was it trained into him from his parents? Hers, unfortunately, was a combination of both.