[bucky]

Please see the link below. Right around 1:30 is essentially perfection as far as the female body is concerned for me. Is there any chance she's natural? Not the boobs, of course, I mean everything else. Zuzka has to be into her 30s by now and as much as I want to believe this is natural, I don't know.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfKZdBTS4o4&t=91s

[Fortis]

Looks like a skinny blonde who doesn't eat much and has very weak leg muscle tone. What's the big deal? I was expecting to see a girl deadlifting 600 pounds or something.

Gonna assume natty and not particularly impressive.

Either way, WB.

[Steelex]

Lol, why does it matter?

You can't tell by looking. She could be natural. Most likely through she takes a non androgenic anabolic such as anavar, and some sort of fat burner like clen or T3. Or maybe she's just predisposed to being lean.

But for what it's worth, if you take antibiotics or ibuprofen, you're not natural. IMO it's a fairly worthless distinction that only serves to marginalize those who make a personal choice to look better.

[bucky]

I think we could assume that if she's managed to achieve WB status for you after years of hard work that's at least somewhat impressive. Here in real life I almost never see women with an athletic figure and low body fat anywhere cose to this. Used to see women approaching this level when I lived in Ukraine once in a while but even then not every day.

What would be some examples of an impressive female figure for you? Pictures please.

[bucky]

"Lol, why does it matter?"

I'm not against performance enhancers. I'm just not particularly knowledgleable and interested in what one can achieve with them and without them.

[Fortis]

Where do you live?

I live near a college campus in China and I see girls with comparable physiques at the local gym. I'm not hating but she's hardly the pinnacle of anything when it comes to how she looks. Cute? Sure, I'd bang her, but her body is not all that great.

as far as whether or not she is on drugs, does it really matter? She may be, she may not be. Unless you're gonna pop her with a needle and get some blood we'll never know.

Her physique is achievable naturally, that much is for sure.

[Hypno]

looks fake from this angle.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oXTmvpjBNUs

[General Stalin]

Just because a female has low body fat and good muscle tone is not indicative of her using steroids. It's not like she's a lean 200 lbs and squatting 5 plates. She just ripped fitness bish. Also why does it matter?

WBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWB

[Mr. D]

See also: Susana Spears. (her former porn name...)

[Hypno]

(06-01-2017 11:02 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Just because a female has low body fat and good muscle tone is not indicative of her using steroids. It's not like she's a lean 200 lbs and squatting 5 plates. She just ripped fitness bish. Also why does it matter?

WBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWB

I meant silicone, not steroids.

[Steelex]

(06-01-2017 10:19 AM)bucky Wrote:  

"Lol, why does it matter?"

I'm not against performance enhancers. I'm just not particularly knowledgleable and interested in what one can achieve with them and without them.

Well if you're not interested than why ask?

[TheFinalEpic]

She's likely not on PEDs. Girls get huge shoulders and the neck is almost always over developed. That being said, don't care, WB til I cannot physically bang anymore.

[Vinny]

She has short legs and six pack. Her physique is an overkill, half way to becoming a man.

Still WB but WNBT (would not bang twice)

[General Stalin]

(06-01-2017 11:43 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:02 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Just because a female has low body fat and good muscle tone is not indicative of her using steroids. It's not like she's a lean 200 lbs and squatting 5 plates. She just ripped fitness bish. Also why does it matter?

WBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWB

I meant silicone, not steroids.

Was responding to OP

[bucky]

I meant I'm NOT that knowledgeable but I AM interested.

To everyone who keeps asking why I care if she's natural or not, I'm interested to know what a woman can achieve without performance enhancers. You guys seem blessed to live in areas where fitness goddesses are a dime a dozen, but here in Central America or back in the US where I used to live you rarely saw women like her. Not everyone's cup of tea, but definitely mine.

To everyone giving a reluctant WB, please post pictures of what would be an ideal female figure for you. I'm curious.

[Steelex]

To answer your question about what is possible...

Anything is possible. However its really difficult to say who is doing what. There are people on steroids who look average average people who look insane. You can't just point at a chick and say she's on.

A woman's level of lean-ness is dependant on diet, training and genetics. However her muscle size is more dependant on genetics and AAS usage.

A good indicator is STRENGTH levels. When you see a chick moving man weight in a lift, she is most likely on man hormones, even if she is not showing androgenic side affects.

[Elster]

Naturally bangable

[bucky]

Excellent reply. I guess another reason I'm interested is that among normies who believe in fat acceptance and garbage like that, I'm confident she would be dismissed as "unrealistic" and "on steroids."

I usually avoid pointless Facebook arguments, but I got sucked into one a while back when some feminist SJW posted something about how Victoria's Secret models' bodies are unrealistic and airbrushed. Thing is, there are girls who look like VS models everywhere in Ukraine and parts of Latin America. I've been with girls who are close to that level. Naturally bringing that up just got me called a misogynist though. On the other hand, it seems like a lot of you guys on the forum also at least claim to live in worlds where model-like girls are plentiful and available.

Incidentally I'd still like to see some examples of real hotness from the dudes for whom Zuzka barely passes the boner test.

[Steelex]

Fat acceptance is bullshit.

Look at a class photo from a highschool class in 1960. Count the fat people on your fingers.

You probably have more fingers down than up.

[bucky]

(06-01-2017 10:25 AM)Fortis Wrote:  

Where do you live?

I live near a college campus in China and I see girls with comparable physiques at the local gym. I'm not hating but she's hardly the pinnacle of anything when it comes to how she looks. Cute? Sure, I'd bang her, but her body is not all that great.

as far as whether or not she is on drugs, does it really matter? She may be, she may not be. Unless you're gonna pop her with a needle and get some blood we'll never know.

Her physique is achievable naturally, that much is for sure.

Post some pics of what you consider a great female body. Zuzka is very close to my ideal but to quote (I think) Roosh, one man's 6 is another man's 9. That said, I'm bemused at the idea that her body is "not all that great."

To be fair I have heard that high-end Chinese women can be pretty smoking, but I have no experience in SE Asia myself. I can only think of one Chinese girl I've met who I would consider hot, and even then she wasn't amazing.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-01-2017 11:43 AM)Hypno Wrote:  

(06-01-2017 11:02 AM)General Stalin Wrote:  

Just because a female has low body fat and good muscle tone is not indicative of her using steroids. It's not like she's a lean 200 lbs and squatting 5 plates. She just ripped fitness bish. Also why does it matter?

WBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWBWB

I meant silicone, not steroids.

Of course she has fake tits. At that body fat she would have to be one of those 1 in 1.000.000 women who have massive tits with low body fat.

Raw Vegan blogger Freelee - everything real except for the tits - and that girl works out certainly much less than the one posted:

[zatara]

Shes not on anything majorly anabolic, as her shoulders/arms/legs aren't particularly unnaturally bulked up. What she does have is a decent amount of muscle combined with unusually low bodyfat for a woman. I'd wager shes got a very strict exercise and diet regime, combined with some fat burners to push her that extra mile - clenbuterol/T3 or similar.

edit: Zuzka Light I mean, not the above girl.

[bucky]

(06-02-2017 07:05 AM)zatara Wrote:  

Shes not on anything majorly anabolic, as her shoulders/arms/legs aren't particularly unnaturally bulked up. What she does have is a decent amount of muscle combined with unusually low bodyfat for a woman. I'd wager shes got a very strict exercise and diet regime, combined with some fat burners to push her that extra mile - clenbuterol/T3 or similar.

edit: Zuzka Light I mean, not the above girl.

Cool. I like to think that people (men or women) who have amazing (for me) bodies like this are doing it naturally. Jon Venus, a youtube fitness guy, would be an example of what I'm talking about for guys (no homo).

The woman in the photo above does look great. I still slightly prefer Zuzka because I like the athletic look on a woman. Pro tennis players, Olympic volleyball players, etc. All very hot for me. Don't like female bodybuilders, though.