[jose123]

Ok, so I have been day gaming for about a 3 weeks; actively looking for girls(going to malls, food stores, restaurants). I have only approached about 30ish girls including workers. I also approach through out the day at my work, which includes traveling around. I start up conversation with random girls on the spot.

approaches: 30(including workers)
numbers: 0(I haven't really asked for any due to; convo fizzles to early)
lays: 0


The first problem is that I can't keep the conversation going, for long. When I can keep the conversation going longer than normal, it just fizzles out and I try to drop bait, but they never bite. I try to keep myself feeling good by saying things that are "out there" when I can't think of things to say, which is my kind of humour. I've had 1-2 girls be receptive, but it ends up fizzling out because I don't know how to continue the conversation. I do get IOI, but I sometimes end up not knowing what to say after initiated the conversation. My default opener, is the pet shop, which has had the worst reactions. The openers I have crafted, seem to work better for me, because I can lead it to illustrating my personality and value. I have yet, thought of a good opener for approaching strangers that leads to my value and personality.

Second problem is that there isn't much places to day-game, at least that I haven't thought about. I currently live by Disneyland in the OC. I try to approach girls on the younger range, college student age. I do get IOI from women that I consider older, but I don't approach them because I'm more intimidated by them. I am 25.

Third problem, I have been working on my inner game for months. I can ways to get myself in a good vibe and talkative. But I still have issues with social anxiety that are more minimum that before. I can still open and try to make a conversation, but I know that the girls feels that I'm not totally confident.


The main point of all this: I want there to be an abundance of females, so I can just keep approaching. The places I've gone to have gotten too little females to work with. At this rate, it will take forever to be proficient. I have a lot of motivation to improve myself, I have been reading material, trying to improve my style, etc. I just at this point, want to keep a conversation going, than actually get a number, because that is my weakness.

Question: If I open a girl at a clothing store, in the female section, and I get rejected or can't keep the conversation going, will the other females in the vicinity, reject or be less receptive to my approach.

[jose123]

In addition, I have tried to be more social and improve my conversational skills by getting part-time jobs in a social environment, but... I have never been successful in being hired as a busser, waiter, host or the various jobs that I would consider ideal. It seems to me that in Orange County, those jobs are hard to come by and the interviewers want someone will previous experienced unless you have an "in", which I don't. I have tried for months end at one point, sending resumes and going physically to interviews after interview. I KNOW THAT I was socially awkward, but I was really hoping they would give me a chance. I am still awkward, but not to the extend to I was a year ago. I figured out an alternative, which was by working as a cook instead(decided to choose it because it was a popular restaurant with a lot of cute girls), which helped my inner game and confidence, but it took many months to get to this point. I did get a lot of IOI, but my game was much worse then and failed at each instance which lead me to quit that job because of un-motivation and frustration.

I'm so badly trying to put myself out there, but I can see myself losing motivation due to not seeing visible progress.

[jose123]

I am constantly looking for ways to try to speed boost my results, but they never pan out as I want them to. For instance, I am currently thinking actually living in a college campus during this coming fall(either a roommate or my own room). Why? In my mind, it would be easier to make friends who live with you because you spend time, even if small talk, which can lead to friendships and meet their friends, etc. In addition, I can be social with my neighbors(usually other college students), join clubs, and open girls in a playful social way(become friends = meet her friends). Am I crazy or does this seem like it could work?

[The Catalyst]

Try getting a book like Day Bang or Nick Krauser's Daygame Nitro or Daygame Mastery and have a framework for how the convo or interaction should go. Later on, also read into bouncing for instadates or next day dates and then bouncing back to yours/hers for the close. A framework means you just have to follow it and know you're on the right track as long as you aren't making any major mistakes.

[jose123]

i have read day bang, bang, and watched RSD Julien's TenGame(from a friend, didn't pay for it). Is Nick's or Daygame Mastery a better? I'm not entirely sure what you mean, by framework, you mean, plan ahead what you going to say? Don't think I'm been anywhere close to being able to get a instadate or even a number yet.

[The Catalyst]

I would recommend Daygame Nitro, haven't got Mastery yet.

By framework I mean you sort of have a rough idea of what to do. So the London(Krauser) Daygame Model for instance is this:



Now that you're confident that you can get from stage to stage if only you know what to do the main thing would be practise. In your case you also really have to work on your conversation skills, I believe Nitro would help but you should try and talk about shit in your life and talk about your observations of her etc. Krauser has good examples.

Also I don't know you so I don't know if you have any other stumbling blocks but those two are the ones I would notice.

[TornadoByProxy]

You're on the right path. Stop beating yourself up. Everything you are doing are the right things to do. You've got to keep working, that's all. Nothing worth having comes easy.

About your question in the clothing store, stop caring what other people think. Also, you will have a low chance of connecting with girls in the women's section or girls working.

My advice, first, stop thinking so much. Work out, shower, approach, repeat. Stop analyzing everything.

Second, you sound like you would benefit from training in bjj or mma. It would build your confidence and you would make friends who might be able to help you find a good job.

Just keep reading RVF and improving yourself.

[Cobra]

OP, I will continue to monitor your progress. You're doing good as a beginner. Vibe is part of your issue. The other part, simply is confidence. Both can be adjusted and improved.

So, here's the question. How is your style and how is your physicality? Do you hit the gym?

Also, post very specific details here about your approaches, including what you said and what she said, her physical reaction and yours. If you would genuinely like our help, this is crucial.

[jose123]

I'm not super skinny, I got some muscles, I can pass as borderline kinda buff. I don't look horrible in a tank top. I mainly work on shoulders, chest, triceps and arms. I actually chose a part-time job that is demanding on the body, to build strength. I feel demotivated going to the gym. My would really wear some kind of joggers, jeans, boots(military boots like diesel boots, i wear tennis shoes but i love boots). Shirts are usually black or white, tank tops(black). I like to put on my hoodie on or a beanie because it emphasizes my facial asthetics. I think my hair styles brings down my facial features. Im letting it grow out. I slick it back and keep the sides short. I have no tattoos, but I might in the future.

Approach: Hi, do you know where the pet shop is? ( Im inside a mall).
Girl; No, I dont.
Approach; Oh, my friend told me that they had a pet shop here in the mall.
Girl; Oh really, i didnt know they had one here.
Me; Yea, I tried to look for the store at the directory, but couldnt find it. I thought it might have some wierd name that isn't obvious.
Girl; hmm wierd.
Me; Yea , I wad really excited and already imaging the differe types of pets they were going to have and see what matches my personality.
Girl; Yea.

From there I just eject.

Girl(worker)

Me; Hi, do you have "x"shirt/pants? (If she says no. I ask where or ask for something else, they would have).
Girl; Yes, let me show you. We have this.
Me; Hmmm, that is expensive, Im not looking to spend my life saving for just a pair. Im looking for around the 20 to 30 range.
Girl; Hahaha, hmm, ok,(shows me something on sale).
Me; I like these, the material isnt rough and it is cotton either. It is perfect for activities that I do.
Girl; (they say nothing)
Me; I got a question, do you guys get a employee dis ount for working here and how much?
Girl; yes, blah blah blah
Me; Hmm, interesting, would you be able to use your discount.
Girl; Oh no I cant do that.
Me; why not!
Girl; I can only buy things for myself.
Me; Just tell them it is for your brother or boyfriend or brother.
Girl; hahahaha, I dont think that would work. I dont want to get in trouble.
Me; Man, I thought you were cool, do you never take risks.
Girl; Hahaha. I cant.
Me; hmm, I have always done stuff like that in the various jobs I had in college.(Big bait)
Girl; (they never bite)

Convo then fizzles out.

I keep the convo going even if they are showing interest or not. I eject when I run out of things to say or she tenses up.

I did IOI from white girls, latinas and asians. Nerdy girls that you see in bookstores, seems the least receptive, even though I been a nerd most of my life.

[captain_shane]

(05-28-2017 12:18 PM)jose123 Wrote:  

Approach: Hi, do you know where the pet shop is? ( Im inside a mall).
Girl; No, I dont.
Approach; Oh, my friend told me that they had a pet shop here in the mall.
Girl; Oh really, i didnt know they had one here.
Me; Yea, I tried to look for the store at the directory, but couldnt find it. I thought it might have some wierd name that isn't obvious.
Girl; hmm wierd.
Me; Yea , I wad really excited and already imaging the differe types of pets they were going to have and see what matches my personality.
Girl; Yea.

From there I just eject.

Girl(worker)

Me; Hi, do you have "x"shirt/pants? (If she says no. I ask where or ask for something else, they would have).
Girl; Yes, let me show you. We have this.
Me; Hmmm, that is expensive, Im not looking to spend my life saving for just a pair. Im looking for around the 20 to 30 range.
Girl; Hahaha, hmm, ok,(shows me something on sale).
Me; I like these, the material isnt rough and it is cotton either. It is perfect for activities that I do.
Girl; (they say nothing)
Me; I got a question, do you guys get a employee dis ount for working here and how much?
Girl; yes, blah blah blah
Me; Hmm, interesting, would you be able to use your discount.
Girl; Oh no I cant do that.
Me; why not!
Girl; I can only buy things for myself.
Me; Just tell them it is for your brother or boyfriend or brother.
Girl; hahahaha, I dont think that would work. I dont want to get in trouble.
Me; Man, I thought you were cool, do you never take risks.
Girl; Hahaha. I cant.
Me; hmm, I have always done stuff like that in the various jobs I had in college.(Big bait)
Girl; (they never bite)

Convo then fizzles out.

I keep the convo going even if they are showing interest or not. I eject when I run out of things to say or she tenses up.

Look at those conversations and ask yourself why the girl didn't hook.

Was it

A: You ran out of things to say.
B: You were boring.

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The shit you say doesn't matter. You can go up to a girl and say "I like salad", or "Bleep, bloop, bleep, bleep", or "Hello"

You're getting stuck in your head on the opener. Where's the pet shop? That shouldn't be what you continue talking about unless you make it fun. Example:

-Hey, do you know where the nearest pet shop is?
- I don't know. blah blah blah

-The last place I went to didn't have the kind of animals I was looking for.
- What kind are you looking for.

-Dangerous ones or exotics. Something like a zebra. You look more like an orangutang type of girl, so we'd never get along.
- Haha, why?

-Because you'd scratch my face off while I'm sleeping. If you could be one kind of animal what would you be?
- A giraffe, etc

-(Does giraffe impression)
- Hahaha

- I think i'd be a pretty sexy giraffe.
- haha

- Let's go get some food, I need my kibbles and bits. Follow me.


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Just fuck around and have fun. Get out of your head. If you let yourself just flow and stay in the moment, you'll never run out of things to say.

[jose123]

(05-31-2017 02:15 PM)captain_shane Wrote:  

(05-28-2017 12:18 PM)jose123 Wrote:  

Approach: Hi, do you know where the pet shop is? ( Im inside a mall).
Girl; No, I dont.
Approach; Oh, my friend told me that they had a pet shop here in the mall.
Girl; Oh really, i didnt know they had one here.
Me; Yea, I tried to look for the store at the directory, but couldnt find it. I thought it might have some wierd name that isn't obvious.
Girl; hmm wierd.
Me; Yea , I wad really excited and already imaging the differe types of pets they were going to have and see what matches my personality.
Girl; Yea.

From there I just eject.

Girl(worker)

Me; Hi, do you have "x"shirt/pants? (If she says no. I ask where or ask for something else, they would have).
Girl; Yes, let me show you. We have this.
Me; Hmmm, that is expensive, Im not looking to spend my life saving for just a pair. Im looking for around the 20 to 30 range.
Girl; Hahaha, hmm, ok,(shows me something on sale).
Me; I like these, the material isnt rough and it is cotton either. It is perfect for activities that I do.
Girl; (they say nothing)
Me; I got a question, do you guys get a employee dis ount for working here and how much?
Girl; yes, blah blah blah
Me; Hmm, interesting, would you be able to use your discount.
Girl; Oh no I cant do that.
Me; why not!
Girl; I can only buy things for myself.
Me; Just tell them it is for your brother or boyfriend or brother.
Girl; hahahaha, I dont think that would work. I dont want to get in trouble.
Me; Man, I thought you were cool, do you never take risks.
Girl; Hahaha. I cant.
Me; hmm, I have always done stuff like that in the various jobs I had in college.(Big bait)
Girl; (they never bite)

Convo then fizzles out.

I keep the convo going even if they are showing interest or not. I eject when I run out of things to say or she tenses up.

Look at those conversations and ask yourself why the girl didn't hook.

Was it

A: You ran out of things to say.
B: You were boring.

----

The shit you say doesn't matter. You can go up to a girl and say "I like salad", or "Bleep, bloop, bleep, bleep", or "Hello"

You're getting stuck in your head on the opener. Where's the pet shop? That shouldn't be what you continue talking about unless you make it fun. Example:

-Hey, do you know where the nearest pet shop is?
- I don't know. blah blah blah

-The last place I went to didn't have the kind of animals I was looking for.
- What kind are you looking for.

-Dangerous ones or exotics. Something like a zebra. You look more like an orangutang type of girl, so we'd never get along.
- Haha, why?

-Because you'd scratch my face off while I'm sleeping. If you could be one kind of animal what would you be?
- A giraffe, etc

-(Does giraffe impression)
- Hahaha

- I think i'd be a pretty sexy giraffe.
- haha

- Let's go get some food, I need my kibbles and bits. Follow me.


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Just fuck around and have fun. Get out of your head. If you let yourself just flow and stay in the moment, you'll never run out of things to say.

I like your advice alot, I was under the impression that your convo was suppose to be boring a indirect according to daybang by roosh. I can see how this type of humour works, cause I do it to when Im not actually hunting for girls. Best advice been given since I joined here. Suprised no one mentioned my convo was boring.

[jose123]

(05-28-2017 08:33 AM)TornadoByProxy Wrote:  

You're on the right path. Stop beating yourself up. Everything you are doing are the right things to do. You've got to keep working, that's all. Nothing worth having comes easy.

About your question in the clothing store, stop caring what other people think. Also, you will have a low chance of connecting with girls in the women's section or girls working.

My advice, first, stop thinking so much. Work out, shower, approach, repeat. Stop analyzing everything.

Second, you sound like you would benefit from training in bjj or mma. It would build your confidence and you would make friends who might be able to help you find a good job.

Just keep reading RVF and improving yourself.

Yes! I actually did wrestling in high school, but quit too early for studying?. I was getting out of my shell due to wrestling, but went back to being a nerd. I had another moment at 21 at a college job that helped me get out of my shell, but that as well went to shit for another reason. So here I am gettinf out of my shell on my own. I will be doing something involving fighting cause I did enjoy it.

[Vill@in]

Yep the key is to just have fun with it.

It gives her the impression that you really don't care and she'll like that. If you get shot down (and you'll get rejected more than you'll succeed...especially at first) who cares? You're just having fun anyway. Not to mention it will make for a good story later on.

Women have a sixth sense for guys who try to hard. Loosen it up.

[brick tamland]

Try being more bold (direct but smooth), and mix up places you approach by also going to places where girls would be more receptive. During a working day most are in a different frame of mind.

[crdr]

Make big money independently. Dress better. Have a very cool hobby. Get jacked. Don't be a bitch and stand your ground when challenged. It's that' simple. When you're appealing enough where she sees you above her level. A girl will APPROACH you. As she does with her eyes. Then you make light and entertaining conversation. Get digits and leave.

CHICKS DIG CASHFLOW.

[Jean Valjean]

(05-31-2017 05:53 PM)crdr Wrote:  

Make big money independently. Dress better. Have a very cool hobby. Get jacked. Don't be a bitch and stand your ground when challenged. It's that' simple. When you're appealing enough where she sees you above her level. A girl will APPROACH you. As she does with her eyes. Then you make light and entertaining conversation. Get digits and leave.

CHICKS DIG CASHFLOW.

Related:

Bonecrcker #129 - Eye Contact

Bonecrcker #132 - Finding and Approaching Women

[crdr]

There is a post on here about finding 8s.
I have read and acknowledged Roosh's Bang and Day Bang.
I live in a pretty good city for Traditionalism. Calgary, Alberta, Canada.
At coffee shops during downtown the picking is very slim. Because 8s don't work. Or they do work.

8s and above define themselves by who they are around. If you have no friends connected to 8s. It takes a long time after college to find them in the real world.

I do pretty well as a black guy here. But I'll tell you the defining factor from my experience. I am not a stereotype! I'm not a ball player, nor a thug.
Chicks can relate with me, because I relate with them. Or they don't. No big

I look, feel and act like I'm 10 Million Dollars. The chicks just pick it up. It's a sixth sense. When you talk to chicks like you don't care. More importantly, when you talk to chicks like it is no effort. You are demonstrating one of the best currencies more valuable than money. Social currency. This has nothing to do with being Alpha or Beta. This has everything to do with NETWORKING.

When you make money you are valued by your network. Chicks are socialites for a reason. They are social butterflies for a reason. Chicks follow guys where they can spread their social skills. Most girls are just waiting for you to introduce them to your rich friends. It's too bad everyone on Youtube who is "rich" is married and totally neglects the importance of a SOCIAL NETWORK for premium girls in your game. It's essential.