[Gpx90210]

Another time, I thought the girl was a c-cup. Turns out, she was wearing a padded bra. Raped again...


https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/stealthing-...00967.html

Get a load of this shit.

[DimeBait]

(04-25-2017 01:55 PM)Gpx90210 Wrote:  

Removing condom during sex now considered vile rape? lol wtf

https://www.yahoo.com/beauty/stealthing-...00967.html

Get a load of this shit.

I've seen variations of this BS floating around SM for the last couple weeks trying to make this seem like a "sick trend" guys are subjecting women to. This is bs slow news cycle shit being used for shock value and clickbait.

[Rawmeo]

Look at this shit. http://feminismislove.tumblr.com/post/98...nt-have-to

"Most men don’t understand that you don’t have to touch a woman to rape her."

Only 19 y.o. and already brainwashed.

[Valentine]

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Survivors [of stealthing]

[Jean Valjean]

Yeah, according to one investigative reporter who has finally published a shocking exposé blowing the lid off this secretive conspiracy, there's an "Online Community Of Men Who Preach" doing this, including those who defend the "right of every man to 'spread his seed' ― regardless of if said man is engaging in straight or gay penetrative sex."

I wasn't aware that gays were so concerned with spreading their seed, given the unlikelihood of its reaching a woman's uterus.

[RatInTheWoods]

Imagine the bat shit crazy anti women shit we could get in the media, if only we controlled it like they do......

[SpiderKing]

[ivansirko]

Similar Article: https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nati...100921352/

Pretty soon the acceptable act of reproduction will be considered rape.

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TAMPA --- A disturbing new bedroom trend involves men secretly taking off their condoms during consensual sex, and sometimes later bragging about it online.

The nonconsensual practice, which is called "stealthing," is on the rise, according to a new report in Columbia Journal of Gender and Law.

Lead author Alexandra Brodsky said while the law is largely silent on the practice of "stealthing," she believes it should be considered a form of sexual assault and could violate several civil and criminal laws.

In the report, Brodsky profiles a doctoral student named Rebecca who works for a local rape crisis hotline. Rebecca, who was the victim of stealthing as a freshman, said she hears about stealthing from students and says many callers start with, ‘I’m not sure this is rape, but…’

Kathleen Kempke, with the Crisis Center of Tampa Bay, says she's aware of the trend.

“I have had other cases that I've been very similar to this,” said Kempke.

As far as the crisis center is concerned, a person who feels violated is a victim, she said.

“And they deserve the same kind of services and support that a victim that is raped by a stranger or a raped by an acquaintance would get,” said Kempke.

The study also pointed to online forums where men often brag about removing a condom during sex or offer advice on how to get away with it. Some of the men in the forum have even suggested it's their right to, "spread one's seed".

As far as using existing statutes to prosecute stealthers in Florida, “As of yet, that statute does not exist,” said Tampa Defense Attorney Hunter Chamberlain.

Chamberlain says stealthing, while despicable, could be difficult to prove as a sexual assault, since the sex itself was initially consensual.

“To change this from a legal behavior to an illegal behavior, the legislature or the courts are going to have to further define what consent means,” said Chamberlain.

Brodsky concludes that new protections should be in place for those who are victims of the practice.

"Ultimately, a new tort for “stealthing” is necessary both to provide victims with a more viable cause of action and to reflect better the harms wrought by nonconsensual condom removal," she said in the paper.

I feel violated for knowing this. I need a crisis center.

[griffinmill]

Pro Tip: Be upfront about rawdogging it. 99.9% of chicks won't ask you to wrap it up anyway.

[Jetset]

(04-27-2017 06:34 AM)ivansirko Wrote:  

I feel violated for knowing this. I need a crisis center.

I think you're on it right now.

[General Stalin]

I can't remember the last time a woman refused to have sex with me without using a condom.

That said, this shit is ridiculous and a complete non-issue, and if it weren't for reading it from buzzfeed articles linked on Facebook then I'm sure none of this will affect any of us in our day-to-day lives.

[puckerman]

I am wondering why any sane, logical man would do this. Do these idiots want to pay child support for eighteen years? It's a stupid and unnecessary risk on all accounts.

[Jean Valjean]

(04-28-2017 09:39 PM)puckerman Wrote:  

I am wondering why any sane, logical man would do this. Do these idiots want to pay child support for eighteen years? It's a stupid and unnecessary risk on all accounts.

I predict what's going to happen is that pregnant women will, after a breakup, accuse the man of having stealthed her. This will serve three purposes. (1) She can have a better chance of getting a restraining order, custody, etc. (2) She can get revenge against a guy she blames for the relationship's breakup. (3) She can deny responsibility for the pregnancy, and thereby more easily elicit sympathy and help from others.

A more subtle implication of this expansion of the definition of rape is that any number of objections may count as non-consent. For example, suppose you're about to bang a woman and she says, "I don't want to get pregnant." If you bang her, does that count as rape because you were supposed to take that as a no?

[Svoboda]

Can't say I have a problem with this, as long as it is also considered rape everytime a woman gets pregnant after she told a man not to worry because she can't get pregnant.

[puckerman]

(04-28-2017 10:19 PM)Jean Valjean Wrote:  

A more subtle implication of this expansion of the definition of rape is that any number of objections may count as non-consent. For example, suppose you're about to bang a woman and she says, "I don't want to get pregnant." If you bang her, does that count as rape because you were supposed to take that as a no?

That may be it. And there is one thing you can be sure of with women. They won't actually say NO. They will say indirect shit like: "I have a boy friend," "I don't know about that," "It's a bad idea," "Let's do something else,".... But they won't say a word that is simple and easy, like NO.

It's not a hard word to say. Most little kids learn it around two or three. It actually becomes a sense of pride for them. Ask them to do something they don't want to do, and they will say no. So, what is the god damned problem?

[JayMillz]

QUEENS, N.Y. — A New York lawmaker wants to make it a felony to remove a condom during intercourse without the permission of a sexual partner, a practice known as “stealthing.”

Democratic Assemblyman Francisco Moya of Queens plans to introduce legislation that would make stealthing punishable by up to four years in prison.

“Stealthing is not a new concept, but with many brave women speaking out about their traumatizing experiences it is very apparent that this is a significant issue,” Moya told PIX11 News.

“In addition to creating a punishment for this crime, this legislation raises awareness about this traumatizing experience.”

Democrats in Wisconsin and California have also proposed criminalizing the act, which increases the partner’s risk of sexually transmitted infection and pregnancy without their permission.

“New York has led the way on so many of these issues, this is a troubling trend and something needs to be done about it,” said Moya.

While it could pose challenges for investigators and prosecutors trying to make a case, Moya says a law penalizing those who engage in stealthing is needed to discourage the behavior and protect women.

The measure has not been scheduled for a vote.

QUEENS, N.Y. — A New York lawmaker wants to make it a felony to remove a condom during intercourse without the permission of a sexual partner, a practice known as “stealthing.”

Democratic Assemblyman Francisco Moya of Queens plans to introduce legislation that would make stealthing punishable by up to four years in prison.

“Stealthing is not a new concept, but with many brave women speaking out about their traumatizing experiences it is very apparent that this is a significant issue,” Moya told PIX11 News.

“In addition to creating a punishment for this crime, this legislation raises awareness about this traumatizing experience.”

Democrats in Wisconsin and California have also proposed criminalizing the act, which increases the partner’s risk of sexually transmitted infection and pregnancy without their permission.

“New York has led the way on so many of these issues, this is a troubling trend and something needs to be done about it,” said Moya.

While it could pose challenges for investigators and prosecutors trying to make a case, Moya says a law penalizing those who engage in stealthing is needed to discourage the behavior and protect women.

The measure has not been scheduled for a vote.

http://pix11.com/2017/05/26/ny-lawmaker-...-a-felony/

[sagely scholar]

A condom is almost a 100% protection against pregnancy and all - but HSV - venereal diseases some of which can lead to infertility and some of which are close to a death sentence.

I don't see how anyone can claim that removing it without woman's consent it at all ok or permissible.

[churros]

(05-29-2017 01:10 PM)sagely scholar Wrote:  

A condom is almost a 100% protection against pregnancy and all - but HSV - venereal diseases some of which can lead to infertility and some of which are close to a death sentence.

Anyone who thinks this has not had a lot of sex.

(05-29-2017 01:10 PM)sagely scholar Wrote:  

I don't see how anyone can claim that removing it without woman's consent it at all ok or permissible.

The hammer... I can feel it...

[SlickyBoy]

Not sure where this is in the legal pipeline, but they are discussing this at the US federal level too.

Quote:

Two US lawmakers are pushing for Congress to classify “stealthing” – the act of secretly removing a condom during sex – as rape.

The practice, which transforms a consensual act into a non-consensual one, puts the partner at risk of sexually transmitted infections and unwanted pregnancies. The phenomenon has gained increasing attention in recent months as growing numbers of women have spoken out about their experiences.

Democratic Representatives Ro Khanna, who is from California, and Carolyn Maloney, from New York, sent a letter to the House Judiciary Committee on Wednesday asking its members to address the problem. The lawmakers argued a hearing on the subject matter would mean members of Congress became better informed about the issue.

“Consent is not up for discussion, it is a requirement for the entirety of any sexual interaction. Stealthing violates an agreement between partners and is a dangerous form of sexual assault,” Mr Khanna said in a statement.

Yes, cunty - as it should be for both parties, let's remember.

Quote:

“The implications of the practice of non-consensual condom removal are far-reaching with respect to the ongoing national conversation on the definition of consensual sex.”

The representatives say the “disgraceful” practice can inflict psychological harm on its victims and argue it needs to be seen as a "violation of trust and dignity between two sexual partners and acknowledged when developing policies to stop sexual assault and rape."

"Recent legal and academic articles have considered how nonconsensual condom removal could, in fact, turn consensual sex into nonconsensual sex by way of different legal mechanisms," they said in the letter.

Nevertheless, it continues to be an act which does not fit easily into legal frameworks and definitions of rape and sexual assault.

"I am horrified that we even need to be having this conversation, that a sexual partner would violate their partner's trust and consent like this. Stealthing is sexual assault," Ms Maloney said in a further statement. "We need a hearing so that Congress can hear from the experts about how to best address this issue as we continue to amend our country's and universities' responses to sexual assault and rape."

Watch how that bold part is parsed in any upcoming legislation and see how the law is applied, and to who...

Quote:

The practice gained national attention after Yale Law School graduate Alexandra Brodsky published a study about how online groups are perpetuating the act back in April. Her research led her to stumble upon online communities of men discussing how to get away with stealthing and swapping tips. (yeah, any time spent researching women who poke holes in condoms?)

Ms Brodsky has since explained that she chose to embark on the research back in law school in 2013 when she became aware of how many of her friends were struggling with mistreatment by sexual partners which were not deemed to be part of the familiar accepted gamut of gender-based violence (uh, what about when gays do it? Oh yeah - that's different.). She argues stealthing is "rape-adjacent" and demands specific laws for condom removal to be introduced.

Since the article, rape crisis organisations have come forward to support her views and argue it is a sex crime. (Aaaaand gay organizations? Not so much.)

In May, lawmakers in Wisconsin and California introduced bills to change the definition of consent and rape to include interfering with a sexually protective device without informing the other person.

That last bit is how it's most likely to happen, since rape is most often charged as a state crime, not a federal crime except in situations such as serial rapists who cross state lines.

I think this kind of change to the law will paint the homosexuals into a corner - if it is a sex crime to exceed the scope of consent by a straight man removing his condom during sex, it's no different for a gay man, but here they are, already making excuses:

Quote:

“When I think back about a decade ago, I remember what I called the courtesy condom,” my friend Kevin told me. “The condom you put on so you can both act like you’re being responsible before it magically finds its way off and you both realize that neither of you objects.”

Hm. same argument could be made during a heterosexual encounter. Things heat up, the condom gets full of pre-cum, and you take it off about 3/4ths of the way through with her full knowledge, promising to pull out. You keep on thrusting and hope you time it just right. Alas, with this new law in her favor, how likely would she be to remember it that way? Yeah, that's what I thought.

What how about a baby rabies case who pokes a hole in the condom? Any guy misled into an unwanted pregnancy and 18 years of child support should be entitled to a rape conviction from her and should seek charges under any such "exceed the scope of consent" law. It'd be harde to write the law without allowing for this possibility, but will see.