[Cobra]

(04-22-2017 11:12 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Big league post from Kobra!


Seriously testo, I'd avoid complaining about India when it sounds like you have a good life in your own country. If you're truly location independent, save up some cash, get your passport in order and travel a bit.

I felt the same way about my city of origin and I'm now a lot happier that I left. That said, I still do look back at all the opportunities presented to me by my family, friends, city and state and feel lucky. You should temper your dislike for your country with a bit of gratitude as well.

There are probably millions of Indian dudes who would line up for the opportunities you have, so it definitely does come across the wrong way when you hate on your own like that.

Not to mention, when you hate on India like that you embolden people who know NOTHING about India and make them feel like it's OK to shit on your country and culture. That ain't cool.

Bottomline: we don't like to read whining on this forum, we like to read plans of action or accomplishments. Whining about indians and India will win you no friends here.

Couldn't have said it better. Sometimes, you have to lose something to truly value it for what it's worth.

[Agastya]

(04-20-2017 07:29 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

OP, first of all I understand your frustration and commend your ability to transcend stereotypes but your disdain for your fellow Indians is quite disheartening.

India is my homeland and in my opinion, your gratuitous and generalized attempt to attack it are overly unjustified. I'm proud of who I am and transcend stereotypes of my race but do my best to respect my culture and respect differences. Now, Indians, especially men, have a bad reputation due to some fairly bad apples that make us look bad. Trust me that wound is very fresh and the rest of us don't need anyone to rub salt into it. You come in and do that in a grandstanding way. I mean, on a predominantly western forum, you will not receive much criticism for it.

Luckily, this forum is open enough that it allows for alternate perspectives. So I will say my piece in response to your very question of "What would you do in my shoes." First of all, I would stop shitting on the entire culture, your own culture. You are likely hanging out with the wrong people first of all. There are plenty of middle to upper class men and women in New Delhi or Mumbai that I could have a great time with. I know many of them and also keep in touch with them. They have more class than some Americans I know albeit their number is small. When I was in Delhi, I hung around with them and their families and they were nothing but hospitable, open, stylish and fun in my opinion.

You generally walk into an Indian home, you get treated like a god. That hospitality is unsurpassed to me. On top of that the art and culture, if you really decide to enjoy it, is some of the best out there, especially the classical music. I speak 2 Indian languages and still try to learn as much as possible about the culture because I'm genuinely interested. So this is not coming from a bad place.

Speaking of arranged marriages, that system was developed to keep classes within each other and to pass on your legacy. Yes, it's very traditional and makes no damn sense, but let's look at the other side. You have western forum members complaining how the western culture has gotten degenerative and women are not traditional anymore. Well, you have India where they are. Sure they are not stunners or even average but their existence and its purpose is not the same as it is for the west. Women over there toil and toil very hard to take care of not only their husbands and kids but also often times grandparents and others in the family. I mean most traditional Indian women can cook a hell of a meal. I don't care if they're ugly because I'm not trying to bang them. They just deserve my respect for following traditions and doing their best to keep their families happy. We kick and scream that the west has lost that but when we see it elsewhere, we come up with excuses to hate on it.

As for the men, yes they come across as dirty douchebags when they're poor or lower middle class; and a lot are. However, guess what, here comes tradition again. My family was somewhat poor. My father worked his ass off after leaving his hometown only to send money back to his siblings and his parents so they could be well off. He felt an obligation to his family. Once we were born, he cut out as much as he could but he still helped, taking away from us in the process at some level. He moved his entire family including me and my sister over at the age of 40 to the USA just to give us a better life. The man is not socially there and he is not exactly the alpha red pill white guy. However, I have more respect for him than I could ever express to him because he gave up a lot to work hard and provide for his family so they wouldn't have to suffer. That's with almost no marketable skills. This describes many men in India. Sure, I wouldn't hang out with them because I'm fairly westernized but that doesn't mean I don't respect them. I'm actually glad I can be in their company and feel a sense of self that I otherwise don't have amongst their American counterparts.

The irony of you laying it thick on India and Indians is:
-You ARE Indian
-You were welcomed into India, selling services to Indians (I presume) and shitting on them and the entire country

This is akin to some of the FOB Indian dudes that come to America, hang out with their own and shit on the American culture constantly even though Americans have welcomed them with open arms and provide them many resources if they want to use them. These are the race trolls that I absolutely despise and I also attack them for killing the reputation of other Indian men. I'm equal opportunity in that sense.

You have a decent reputation on the forum and I respect that. It's not easy to transcend social boundaries set by an arcane culture. That said, I respect India's traditions and own up to them even if there is a huge fight against both them and the Indians that don't know any better. I used to be just like you and I hated everything about India. On top of that, I tried very hard to be American, even joining the US Navy in the process. I have been very successful in my career and life and am the top sales person in our practice (an American consulting firm). Technically I'm as American as they come. However, I'm who I am because of my culture, my upbringing and my work ethic which are all Indian.

I may get flak for this post but it's tough to see your culture being spit on by one of your own. From that perspective, I hope people can understand that this is something worth defending.

This is 100% true.

testos, I don't think you understand what life can actually be like here in America. This is possibly one of the most fragmented, cold, and impersonal societies in the world. We have 66% divorce rate, unspeakable hypergamy, destroyed family structures, and a rampantly rising rate of mental illness. To be completely honest, massive swathes of America are composed of either suburbs (completely lacking in culture) or ghettos (more dangerous, drug-infested, and fucked up than the ones in India, in many ways). Family, stability, integrity, and tradition aren't really things that people care about here, at least not on the west coast where I grew up. Certain parts of America may be an exception -- I've never been to the South, for example -- but life in liberal parts of the country can definitely have some disadvantages.

I was born and raised in America, and yeah, I would much rather live here than in India. But at the same time, I think you might want to be a little more thankful and more cognizant of what India has to offer. If you really want some travel experiences just to go fuck girls and enjoy a more relaxed atmosphere, I guess I would recommend somewhere in SEA. Dubai actually might be a good choice for you, there are tons of Indians from the upper and upper-middle classes, lots of extremely hot Indian women there too. I'm not sure how open of a society it is -- I've only been there to visit family -- but that's another potential option for you.

I get that the filth and barbarism of India must get to you. It certainly gets to me, even though the longest I've stayed there is a total of two weeks. And yeah, the culture can be infuriating. Anyone of Indian descent will know exactly what you're talking about. Indian culture is honestly at one of it's lowest points in history. The country stands at the intersection of brutal Islamic invasions, the imposition of retarded Victorian morals, economic ruination from colonialism, and now the increased materialism and prosperity from globalism. So I get where you're coming from. But you really shouldn't dismiss the value of a place where you probably have a giant extended family, a big group of friends, and generally a society that you are 100% a part of.

I'm Indian-American, I agree with Cobra in that I don't feel like I 100% belong here. To be honest, though, I don't think anyone does, regardless of their background. I doubt the same holds true for India.

But if you want to just escape to a cleaner, nicer country with hotter girls, just take a bunch of vacations to the Phillipines, honestly. Or go to Africa, if you thought your Kenyan friend was attractive. You could probably clean up in both places.

[testos111]

(04-22-2017 10:51 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 07:29 PM)Cobra Wrote:  

OP, first of all I understand your frustration and commend your ability to transcend stereotypes but your disdain for your fellow Indians is quite disheartening.

India is my homeland and in my opinion, your gratuitous and generalized attempt to attack it are overly unjustified. I'm proud of who I am and transcend stereotypes of my race but do my best to respect my culture and respect differences. Now, Indians, especially men, have a bad reputation due to some fairly bad apples that make us look bad. Trust me that wound is very fresh and the rest of us don't need anyone to rub salt into it. You come in and do that in a grandstanding way. I mean, on a predominantly western forum, you will not receive much criticism for it.

Luckily, this forum is open enough that it allows for alternate perspectives. So I will say my piece in response to your very question of "What would you do in my shoes." First of all, I would stop shitting on the entire culture, your own culture. You are likely hanging out with the wrong people first of all. There are plenty of middle to upper class men and women in New Delhi or Mumbai that I could have a great time with. I know many of them and also keep in touch with them. They have more class than some Americans I know albeit their number is small. When I was in Delhi, I hung around with them and their families and they were nothing but hospitable, open, stylish and fun in my opinion.

You generally walk into an Indian home, you get treated like a god. That hospitality is unsurpassed to me. On top of that the art and culture, if you really decide to enjoy it, is some of the best out there, especially the classical music. I speak 2 Indian languages and still try to learn as much as possible about the culture because I'm genuinely interested. So this is not coming from a bad place.

Speaking of arranged marriages, that system was developed to keep classes within each other and to pass on your legacy. Yes, it's very traditional and makes no damn sense, but let's look at the other side. You have western forum members complaining how the western culture has gotten degenerative and women are not traditional anymore. Well, you have India where they are. Sure they are not stunners or even average but their existence and its purpose is not the same as it is for the west. Women over there toil and toil very hard to take care of not only their husbands and kids but also often times grandparents and others in the family. I mean most traditional Indian women can cook a hell of a meal. I don't care if they're ugly because I'm not trying to bang them. They just deserve my respect for following traditions and doing their best to keep their families happy. We kick and scream that the west has lost that but when we see it elsewhere, we come up with excuses to hate on it.

As for the men, yes they come across as dirty douchebags when they're poor or lower middle class; and a lot are. However, guess what, here comes tradition again. My family was somewhat poor. My father worked his ass off after leaving his hometown only to send money back to his siblings and his parents so they could be well off. He felt an obligation to his family. Once we were born, he cut out as much as he could but he still helped, taking away from us in the process at some level. He moved his entire family including me and my sister over at the age of 40 to the USA just to give us a better life. The man is not socially there and he is not exactly the alpha red pill white guy. However, I have more respect for him than I could ever express to him because he gave up a lot to work hard and provide for his family so they wouldn't have to suffer. That's with almost no marketable skills. This describes many men in India. Sure, I wouldn't hang out with them because I'm fairly westernized but that doesn't mean I don't respect them. I'm actually glad I can be in their company and feel a sense of self that I otherwise don't have amongst their American counterparts.

The irony of you laying it thick on India and Indians is:
-You ARE Indian
-You were welcomed into India, selling services to Indians (I presume) and shitting on them and the entire country

This is akin to some of the FOB Indian dudes that come to America, hang out with their own and shit on the American culture constantly even though Americans have welcomed them with open arms and provide them many resources if they want to use them. These are the race trolls that I absolutely despise and I also attack them for killing the reputation of other Indian men. I'm equal opportunity in that sense.

You have a decent reputation on the forum and I respect that. It's not easy to transcend social boundaries set by an arcane culture. That said, I respect India's traditions and own up to them even if there is a huge fight against both them and the Indians that don't know any better. I used to be just like you and I hated everything about India. On top of that, I tried very hard to be American, even joining the US Navy in the process. I have been very successful in my career and life and am the top sales person in our practice (an American consulting firm). Technically I'm as American as they come. However, I'm who I am because of my culture, my upbringing and my work ethic which are all Indian.

I may get flak for this post but it's tough to see your culture being spit on by one of your own. From that perspective, I hope people can understand that this is something worth defending.

I expected an extremely amateur response to my previous post above; and I was not disappointed. Some may also think I should give it a rest at this point, which I will. However, in the mean time, I just can't help it.

(04-21-2017 01:28 AM)testos111 Wrote:  

So you are an Indian who's settled abroad and feel happy about Indians because when you come to them, they stroke your ego. On top of that, you respect Indian women because they toil hard for their husbands and family.

And you're blaming me for the culture flak? Lol

Dude, people in the west yearn for culture. You are in a place that has it. Embrace it. Yes, I settled abroad but moved here when I was young (not by choice) and embraced the American culture. For that reason I'm grateful but I'm a guest in this country and while I have even gone as far as serving its military, I don't feel I belong 100%. That's not anyone's fault; just another fact I also embrace. Anyone who makes me happy strokes my ego, Indian or not and similarly, any woman that takes care of her family also deserves my respect, Indian or not. I'm self aware enough to know that my ego being stroked feels good as it would for any male human being. You should receive the Captain Obvious award for your psychoanalytic abilities.

I realized something about you. It's not that you don't get along with other Indians. Indians don't get along with you. I'm surprised you don't fit into the upper echelon of Indians I mentioned who you should theoretically get along with. I know these people and they are the best of both worlds. They're genuinely sincere people and I don't believe you have access to them because of your sheer douchiness.

(04-21-2017 01:28 AM)testos111 Wrote:  

If you love India so much, why don't you leave the US and come back? Very easy to preach the patriotic rhetoric sitting all comfy there.

I would and likely one day I will be spending a significant amount of time there for business and personal purposes. The USA has done more for me since I grew up here. So I have my loyalty towards it more than I do India. That's not the same thing as forgetting India. My roots are in India, so I learn as much about it as I can, keep up with my language skill and also pass down its culture to my kids. When I can go there, I do. I mean, after reading your posts, I think India could use a bit more love.

(04-21-2017 01:28 AM)testos111 Wrote:  

My consciousness is high enough to not believe in stupid things like culture and patriotism. I believe in being utterly selfish and in saying things as I see it. And India is definitely something that deserves flak since it offers very little. Just ask your dad.

Single celled organisms, jackasses and western females also don't believe in "stupid" things like culture and patriotism. Give me a break. This forum is a conservative space that values culture and patriotism if you couldn't tell. I'm also lost as to how you think your high consciousness would decrease the relevance of culture. What's the correlation?

I don't relate to you because I believe in selflessness to my loved ones and those I consider worthy of my company. I'm genuine to them as they come first. This is also something I carry from Indian culture but you wouldn't know it even though it's staring you in your face everyday. That's why my dad moved because the opportunities for him were much better, not because they sucked in India. You may have to be reincarnated a few times before you realize that type of selflessness and sacrifice. If you came back as a dog, at least you would have loyalty. Maybe after that, you can try for a higher life form.

Every country deserves flak and so does India but you generalize India as some kind of backwards land while you praise the west. That's an amateur approach because you know more about one than the other, quite simply.

I've known Indians like you that come here thinking that being more "fair skinned" and tall will help you become more American. I mean, let's break down the logic; you live in India, hate Indians and yearn for western liberalism. We in America call that a "wannabe" or "tryhard." I stay away from these people and so do my American counterparts because it's obvious who they are. Anyone that shits on their own culture and pledges loyalty to another one is a traitor to me. You will try extremely hard to be American and it won't work because that's not who you are. I know because I used to be that way. Take that as free advice. The grass in never greener on the other side.

While your photography posts are great and helpful to those that want to get in to it, your "I'm better than the rest of my own race" attitude is a shitty one that's quite opposite of the red pill philosophy we embody on the forum. I almost think you're using the forum as a marketing tool and will step away once you've extracted its resources, but I could be wrong.

Remember there is a difference between "Douchebag" and "Red pill/Alpha male." A lot of members don't even realize it. You just became the next one in line. Congrats!

There is no point in continuing this argument simply because the very fact that you are settled in the US makes all your arguments invalid, meaningless and more importantly, ridiculously and hilariously HYPOCRITIC.

If you were yourself in India, then whatever you are saying would hold some value. Enjoying the luxuries abroad and then trying to come across as someone who values the culture in India and throwing around the holier than thou attitude can only be described as baseless.

You talk about being selfless right? Then why don't you leave the states, come back to India and help this country grow and become better. After all you seem to love it so much.

But you won't and I won't blame you because the truth is that everyone is selfish. And people like you are selfish in a very subtle manner, but selfish all the same.

You talk about what's red pill and what's not. Red pill would be to give a straight answer to what was asked and not stroke your ego by stating your morality issues. My question was straightforward and I got some straightforward answers as expected. So would politely request you to keep off the thread unless you actually have something valuable to offer.

And the next time you wanna lay it thick on someone actually living in India, make sure you are here too. Or else whatever you say by default is rendered meaning less by the fact that you are there and not in India.

[testos111]

(04-22-2017 11:36 PM)Brodiaga Wrote:  

Hey Testos111, I am not Indian, but here is a thought. Try the Philippines, maybe for a month or two to see if you like it. A few years ago I read a post by an Indian guy on a random travel forum. Can't find it now, but I remember that he made an interesting point. like you, he also had a location independent business. Instead of moving to the West like many of his friends did, he moved to the Philippines. While his friends worked hard to make $80-100K in the US (a solid middle class salary, but not nearly enough to live like a baller), he enjoyed his life in the Phils, banged multiple girls and sent their pics to his friends who were jealous, because they couldn't laid at all.

Now, I have no idea what it's like for an Indian guy in the Phils or South East Asia in general, but what I know is that the people in the Philippines are generally friendly and humble. The girls like foreigners and not only those who come from Western countries. Indonesia is another country you can check out, though it's a little more difficult to navigate due to the language barrier outside of touristy places. Also, many Indians travel to Thailand, but the Thais tend to be more xenophobic generally speaking. Still, Thailand may be worth checking out as well.

Anyway, best of luck to you. It seems like you've got the money making part figured out which is the most important thing. There are many great places out there in the world including those outside of North America and Europe.

Phillipines is one country I'm really pinning my hopes too in case nothing works out in the West.

I'm making a trip to Manila in September. What motivates me is the fact that when I was on International Cupid and Tinder, Filipino girls seems to get attracted like bees to honey and it all seemed so easy.

To validate it, I paid Tinder and used the location changing feature and started swiping from Makati City just to see the interest there. Swiped like 100 chics in the night and when I woke up, had around 60 matches, with only around 10 of them being ladyboys/transgenders.

Most chics even initiated the chat themselves.

Compare that to the cowardly and pussy women India.

Here you can sit all fucking day long and get only about two to three matches. And even then, very few women actually have to balls to converse since in India, women are brought up like a bunch of pussies and are told not to talk to strangers. I can understand that in a normal scenario but if you are on Tinder and you have swiped someone right, why the fuck would you not gather the courage to chat/meet.

Another reason I'm hopeful about Manila is that unlike Bangkok, I don't think the communication barrier exists there. Most Filipionos I've chatted with had flawless English and came across as intelligent, something I felt Thai chics could not offer.

But ultimately Philippines is still a third world country and that's what always punctures my motivation to research anything significantly.

[Brodiaga]

(04-24-2017 03:00 AM)testos111 Wrote:  

But ultimately Philippines is still a third world country and that's what always punctures my motivation to research anything significantly.

It is a third world country, but it has first world "pockets". For example, Fort Bonifacio in Manila is nicer and cleaner than most first world cities I have been to. Makati is more of a mixed bag but still nice enough. Also, IT Park in Cebu is nice. I would say check out the Phils and see if you like it. Probably not a good country to settle in for a long term, but good to stay for awhile and have fun.

[Marcus187]

There are people who are conservative and people who are liberal. It looks like you're liberal and closer to Western values. But let me tell you: Western countries are only fun, because people have a lot of freedom to do what they want. But this also leads to degeneration in a society, because old norms and values are disappearing.

I agree that a strict society isn't always fun, but don't live in the illusion that Western countries are the best in the world. We don't have a culture or religion anymore. Our lives are basically work, work and work. People engage in casual sex, drugs and alcohol to escape the boring working life. When people want to travel they visit non-Western countries and not Western countries. Our societies are highly individual, which means it's difficult to feel some deep connection with other people.

Yes, we are rich. And yes, our women are easy for sexual purposes. But don't forget a lot of people here are unhappy or depressed.

[Araveug]

(04-20-2017 11:39 AM)testos111 Wrote:  

(04-20-2017 11:34 AM)kaotic Wrote:  

OP honestly I wouldn't get married for the wrong shitty reasons.

Absolutely get out of India and travel as much as you can.

People always LOVE taking photos you could make a killing out here, especially in Southern California.

Hell I'd probably pay you to help teach me how to use a camera if the rates were decent.

Think about how vain and attention whoring girls are - you could use camera game and pull hotties. Not to mention network and take photos at private events or parties.

Your photo talents are giving me all sorts of ideas of what you can do with it her.

Digital Marketing is YUGE out here as well, AND you're location independent ?

You can hope from country to country as you work, hell even pipeline photo courses for tourists and locals.


You've got 2 really good talents that are transferable anywhere, think about that.

Thanks man and you're absolutely right. both the skills are trasnferable to another location but the problem is that I can only monetize them as a resident there, not as a tourist as it's illegal. Can definitely be used for chics though.

i am sure there are ways around this.