[obla]

(09-12-2012 12:38 AM)Julius_Cesar Wrote:  

Yes that's true although I wouldn't call italians particularly dark, but they tend to be ethnic looking (if you know what I mean by ethnic as being noticeably different from your own ethnic group), compared to northern europeans (mostly scandinavians, dutch and nortern germans), Some southern germans/austrians and swiss-germans can have darker features aswell (darker hair , eyes, etc) but still look pretty central/northern european physically wise (specially body types and facial structures), I wouldnt confuse them with a spaniard or italian.

But I have noticed some people at the british Isles can be about as mediterranean looking as some spanish/portuguese or italians, for example sean connery and catherine zetal jones types, but well I dont think most people would count the Brits/Irish as germanic people, not even the english, since the vast majority of their ancestry is of brethonyc/pre-celtic origin and not of modern germanic one.

eveyone agrees that itaians are dark skinned. theyre a mediterranean race and considered to be the darkest of that whole mediterranean region. theres a sharp contrast between them and nothern europeans and spaniards. i've seen some southern germans with darker features.. and thats cuz theyre mixed with italians, obviously. i've been to italy a thousand times and i see the contrast stand out like a sore thumb.

you got to understand that the celts mainly from france, spain, england and parts of germany share a DNA string that makes them a bit more unique than italians. i think this gene is called the atlantic gene, if i'm not mistaken. but since italy is situated in the middle part of upper africa and closer to the middle east than france and spain, we can trace their genes from those parts of that genetic influence.

[Sargon of Akkad]

(09-12-2012 01:25 PM)obla Wrote:  

eveyone agrees that itaians are dark skinned. theyre a mediterranean race and considered to be the darkest of that whole mediterranean region.

That depends on where in Italy you go. The thing with a lot of nationalities in the Mediterranean is that you can have a wide range of phenotypes. You can find dark Italians who could pass as light skinned Indians but you can also find Italians with light skin and hair who would have no trouble fitting in further north.

[Caligula]

(09-12-2012 01:51 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 01:25 PM)obla Wrote:  

eveyone agrees that itaians are dark skinned. theyre a mediterranean race and considered to be the darkest of that whole mediterranean region.

That depends on where in Italy you go. The thing with a lot of nationalities in the Mediterranean is that you can have a wide range of phenotypes. You can find dark Italians who could pass as light skinned Indians but you can also find Italians with light skin and hair who would have no trouble fitting in further north.

Yeah I've known naturally blonde Sicilians. The Norman genetic legacy lives on there, and Italians in general are a very varied bunch getting lighter the further north you go.

Anyway Obla it's infinitely more complicated than you make out, there is no 'atlantic gene'. In the end it doesn't matter all that much, either. But if you're interested: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_history_of_Europe

[Sargon of Akkad]

(09-12-2012 01:57 PM)Caligula Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 01:51 PM)Sargon of Akkad Wrote:  

(09-12-2012 01:25 PM)obla Wrote:  

eveyone agrees that itaians are dark skinned. theyre a mediterranean race and considered to be the darkest of that whole mediterranean region.

That depends on where in Italy you go. The thing with a lot of nationalities in the Mediterranean is that you can have a wide range of phenotypes. You can find dark Italians who could pass as light skinned Indians but you can also find Italians with light skin and hair who would have no trouble fitting in further north.

Yeah I've known naturally blonde Sicilians. The Norman genetic legacy lives on there, and Italians in general are a very varied bunch getting lighter the further north you go.

That kind of diversity is kind of unavoidable in that region. Already under the Romans, you had people flocking from all over the empire to the Italian peninsula, either as slaves, murchants, or what-have-you. You had migrants coming from Gaul, Nubia, Egypt, Anatolia, Britannia, Carthage, or Germania coming to Rome and the surrounding areas and mixing with the local population.

[Marcellus]

German girls have a VERY big anti-slut defence. Yes, they are sluts IF their social circle does not find out. Ex, when they travel.
On top of that, they are not open to people they don't have connection to. Social circle and cliques is everything. Cold-approaching is perceived as needy.

[pobreinvestidor]

I spent 1 semester in a german uni. German girls: most were sweethearts but were too tall, had huge hands(see that seinfeld episode), failed when compared to the few french girls around, failed even more when compared to the many russian girls around

[Stadtaffe]

Gees the person who started this thread, Mace, got banned. Wonder what he did. I think the reason Germany gets overlooked by the pickup community is because western men have been conditioned by the media to go for a certain style of woman which is more in tune with what is found in Eastern Europe or Russia. That is, slender, feminine, big breasted. I like it that German women have deeper voices, broader shoulders and reasonably big asses.. Not sure if I'm the only one who prefers women less feminine and girly. I think the English speaking world doesn't really understand the place or its people and is slightly intimidated by it after the war. Also, there is no real economic leverage for Western men in Germany as might be the case in Poland, Russia or South America where the women might be slightly more impressed by the guy coming from a perceived more affluent country etc.

[Sidney Crosby]

German girls are feminist SJW cunts that's why

[hydrogonian]

Either you connect with Germans or you don't. Most people don't, though the reasons for this vary. It almost takes a German to know a German. They're a little like Koreans and Japanese in that way.

[John Michael Kane]

I've never been to Germany, but have known quite a few Germans that have visited me here in the U.S.

German women are an interesting bunch. Very well-educated, more often than not multi-lingual. They tend to be on the blunt side, and tell you what they are feeling. No nearly as much game playing as a Slav. That being said, they can often be a bit on the downer side. Like a lot of Germans, their women tend towards a certain negativity. Germans like to complain. Not saying they are all bitchy, but it is somewhat of a national pass time.

That being said, some of the German girls I know are pleasant enough to be around. Because of the high economic standards, they generally aren't gold diggers. You do have to watch out for their more unfeminine stances when it comes to politics. Don't quite expect her to be a Filipina or Mexican, you know what I'm sayin'?

[Roger]

Guys should not make the mistake of underestimating Germany.

While it is true that many Germans girls are ugly, smoke, drink a lot, are fat, don't take care, there is also a considerable number of decent German girls.

On the other side German girls are very liberal and slutty and very open to nasty sex.

Of my observation, it seems that black American guys had a lot of success with German girls.

[Roger]

One night stand is very popular in Germany dude.

[kirdiesel]

After living in Germany as an American black guy for 5 years now.... With the exception of Berlin I would say pass....

[serpico]

German women are hard work, in my experience. The overall standard of an ethnic German would be around the same as a Brit or white American. They also are arguably Europe's most overly feminist culture. Also the people are cold, generally speaking. I went to some clubs where just turning to a girl and saying 'hows it going' got eyerolls and blanks. This very rarely happens to me in other European spots, and think was indicitive of the vibe there.

However, i've only really gone to Berlin, and great as the club scene is there, it does feel over-saturated by tourists who are seen as very low-value it seems, certainly felt almost two-tiered in the clubs between locals and tourists.

Also it is substantially more expensive than EE. When you add all these factors up, why would you go there specifically for women? I understand for the clubscene, ore maybe work, or learning the language, but for women alone you're far better off in EE, not to mention financially so.

[Fury]

It all really comes down to perspective. From the white/latin westerner perspective, Germany probably presents a less than optimal location for the average player. Especially considering there are better women in EE and most likely only slightly lower employment opportunities in good EE countries.

However, as a Black American that wants to work and live in Europe, Germany is actually a very desirable location. The strong economy there means better employment opportunities for the highly qualified plus less worries of me competing with locals for good jobs. Also, if one needed to abruptly leave Germany after several years of living there, one would be able to settle for a handful of other countries that utilize German. Also, it may not be the man's mecca full of feminine and loose women but it is one of the better places for the darker man.

Of course, there are places that either have better women or better employment opportunities, but when factoring both of these Germany is not bad. Some other places that may come to mind would be a good Scandinavian country or maybe Austria.

I know Ukraine/Poland get all the attention for being the best places in Europe for mid to long term gaming, but I don't think I would permanently move to Kyiv just for pussy. I have to consider all the other aspects of my life. Don't get me wrong, if a great employment opportunity opens up in that region, I would be open to moving there but until then, I have to consider myself and my career first.

[semibaron]

I've a friend who told me after his 3 weeks trip to Hamburg and Berlin:
"Dude, I haven't seen a single good looking girl in 3 weeks. I'm not talking about hot ones, just good looking.
No wonder you started world war 2".

Well would sign this. Girls in Germany are actually very similar to Americans, but with the non acceptance for cold-approaching. They are also not near as slutty. There is only one positive aspect about German girls: They don't need you. You can easily throw them away after usage.

[TigerTim]

I dont know where in germany you have been but german women are easily better looking on average than the white american,british or australian women. German women tend to be taller,thinner and healthier looking in my experience. Also there are a lot of pretty young blonde girls in germany, who would get all the attention in the US or the UK but who are overlooked in germany just because that is a very common phenotype among german girls, and you also have to factor that german guys are nowhere as thirsty as your american/brit/aussie men. Im not trying to say german women are on par with women of lithuania or ukraine, just that the differences of women's quality between european nations are overly exaggerated. Excluding the Uk and Ireland which are downright awful for women...any other european nation literally destroys america, abd that also includes germany.

[kirdiesel]

(08-25-2011 07:49 PM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Anybody here actually living there right now?
I see alot of turkish girls and girls of different heritage that don't look too bad that live there. I have passed through a few times and it seemed decent enough.

Ive been living in Cologne for the past 5 years. Turkish girls look decent but mostly they only take other Turkish or white guys.

(08-25-2011 10:13 PM)Wizard Wrote:  

Can anyone recommend some good tier 2 cities in Germany, some place that isn't overrun with tourists if that's even possible?

The main clubs in Cologne barely have any tourists in them. I rarely meet anyone from outside the country.

[semibaron]

(05-03-2016 06:44 PM)TigerTim Wrote:  

I dont know where in germany you have been but german women are easily better looking on average than the white american,british or australian women. German women tend to be taller,thinner and healthier looking in my experience. Also there are a lot of pretty young blonde girls in germany, who would get all the attention in the US or the UK but who are overlooked in germany just because that is a very common phenotype among german girls, and you also have to factor that german guys are nowhere as thirsty as your american/brit/aussie men. Im not trying to say german women are on par with women of lithuania or ukraine, just that the differences of women's quality between european nations are overly exaggerated. Excluding the Uk and Ireland which are downright awful for women...any other european nation literally destroys america, abd that also includes germany.

Would agree with you if we are talking about Vienna, Austria. Lots of cute EE chicks there which try to learn German and are happy to meet some locals. Germany is in my opinion the closest non-English-speaking country to the US.

[Lino]

My 2 Cents on this Topic:

I am working in Germany since few months, in an ugly city in lower Saxony. People here are narrow minded, uptight and racist for the majority, the fact that more and more arab refugees are here doesn't help. If you look mediterranean and speak no german People might assume you come from Syria and will be harsh with you.

From what german people told me in south Germany people are way more open.

Women here are ugly, unpolite, not feminine and have no idea what flirting means. I managed to get laid a couple of times but even the sex was shit...

I go to Berlin quite often and it's true that Berlin is the least german city, very international, probably the coolest european capital. A biggest variety of girls can be found here and they are by far more open to seduction than in other cities. You have to filter though as the arty and Underground reputation of Berlin atttracts many weirdos hipsters, chicks with pink hair, piercing in the nose and that Kind of stuff.

I tried both online game and day game in Berlin and both worked fine, the biggest problem with women in Berlin is their flakiness, I discussed it with some non german girls living here and they agree with it, when you set up a date, you'de better have a plan B and C or you might end up alone.

So Overall I don't think Germany is being overlooked, it's just that girls aren't worth coming here just to game them.

[WestIndianArchie]

Bourdain made it seem like Cologne was very liberal.

WIA

[churros]

I actually like Cologne better than Berlin, nowadays. Hamburg might be worth a look too.

[zatara]

There's quite a bit of difference between German women of different regions. My experience of German women is they on average tend to be more feminist and masculine than most other nationalities, but there's a big variance between Bavaria and Berlin (to use the two extremes).

Berlin is close to New York or San Francisco in terms of extreme feminism, shaved haircuts, masculine women etc. I thought it (and a lot of Northern Germany for that matter) was absolutely awful for women. I think that because most Americans only ever visit Berlin or Frankfurt that's the dominant impression they have of German women.

Munich and Bavaria in general are a lot better. People are a lot less depressed and serious than in the Protestant north. They drink more. And there are far more blonde haired, blue eyed, traditional women. I'd compare it to a nice middle class area in Georgia or South Carolina, in the Berlin-San Fran analogy. They're still German mind you, so on average noticeably worse than Czech or Polish or even French women. But I find Bavaria OK at least, unlike the dour north.

[kirdiesel]

(06-08-2016 07:17 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

Bourdain made it seem like Cologne was very liberal.

WIA

I live there.... and from the outside it is..

[Pokerbaby]

I think a better question is: why does the Netherlands get overlooked?

So many tall, blonde beauties everywhere. I remember reading that the two countries with a disproportionate number of supermodels per capita are Brazil and the Netherlands.