[John Michael Kane]

(02-08-2017 01:51 PM)LockeAndLoad Wrote:  

I don't think it's a "time" or "age" thing, but rather life experience/life station. If you are ready in your life to start a family, that's more important than "I'm 35, gotta get on this"

Strongly disagree. Energy levels drop considerably with age, especially if you run into health issues later in life. If you wait till your late 30's and onward, try having the energy to run after kids if you're say 40 or 50. Do you really want to be sending your kids off to college when you're just about ready for a rest home. Think about it from the long-term perspective and you'll realize that delaying indefinitely has serious drawbacks.

[LockeAndLoad]

(02-08-2017 02:00 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(02-08-2017 01:51 PM)LockeAndLoad Wrote:  

I don't think it's a "time" or "age" thing, but rather life experience/life station. If you are ready in your life to start a family, that's more important than "I'm 35, gotta get on this"

Strongly disagree. Energy levels drop considerably with age, especially if you run into health issues later in life. If you wait till your late 30's and onward, try having the energy to run after kids if you're say 40 or 50. Do you really want to be sending your kids off to college when you're just about ready for a rest home. Think about it from the long-term perspective and you'll realize that delaying indefinitely has serious drawbacks.

I agree--there is a certain point where you have to "shit or get off the pot." But I don't think that point is an arbitrary number. Health and age issues of course factor into it, but a less energetic 40 or 50 year old raising pre-teen/teenagers will not necessarily make a worse father than an "energetic" 40 year old who is now sending his 18 year old off to college if that 40 year old was ill-prepared to have a child at 22.

[John Michael Kane]

The point is that health is unpredictable. The longer you wait, the more likely you are to run into your own health issues, while still trying to maintain the physical strength and emotional toughness that raising children requires. There are no sure bets, but the odds are more in favor of raising kids while younger than while older. Any man that raises kids while older should seriously have life insurance. Heck, any younger father should as well. Life is very fragile, and being a father certainly changes the mindset of a man to think longer term than when he is single.

[Hoser]

I second Mr. Kane on the age issue (I'd quote but my phone's browser won't let me).

My father conceived me when he was 48 (second marriage, to a young bride) then raised me and my brother as a single dad from when I was 7 (mother was removed from the equation 100% by the divorce court, not even visitation). Get that: when I was in second grade, my dad was 55, and he never remarried.

He definitely lacked energy, and even had trouble relating to his children and to our friends (or sometimes even their parents!), due to the huge age gap. His idea of family time was being a couch potato and watching TV together.

It caused me problems. Some of the issues that have plagued me my entire adult life, I've discovered, are problems often associated with kids who grew up orphans.

Each year that passes, I realize more and more the wisdom behind a patriarchy of traditional families, and how its current absence is handicapping society.

[John Michael Kane]

Men that want to make a difference in society have to have families. The smart men, the dedicated men, the patriotic men. Fucking around (especially when you've swallowed the red pill) doesn't help society. In Europe, fucking around means the native European peoples are losing the demographic war of the womb. It is easy to target cucks like Merkel that shill for Islam, but personal responsibility lies on each man who willfully chooses to throw off fatherhood at some point and make a contribution to the world. It isn't an easy row to hoe, but my own father who got married at 39 had his children and made his difference.

Those of us who are game aware know that the red pill isn't just for gaming sluts, but also for selecting for a woman worthy of long-term investment and children. I look with immense pride at the warm smile that Trump shows for his children. He knows he'll be dead probably in ten years, maybe 15. When he's gone, they will carry on his legacy, his wisdom. That is a man who makes an impact in the world. We are not all called to be Trump via the Presidency, but we are called to make contributions as husbands and fathers. Fucking around forever reduces your choices in quality women, and it also makes men more jaded when you spend too much time with low quality women.

If you're wanting to leave a legacy, stop fucking around and get a gameplan. Then act on it.