[Hoser]

JMK, you clever bastard! I was seriously backing away from my phone, feeling the need to bleach my eyes, until I saw your latter photo.

How f'd is the world we live in when I'd rather picture a 70+-year-old man in bed with a 46y.o. woman than picture what goes on in the high fashion world?

[John Michael Kane]

If you need some eye bleach, just take a look at a hot pouty French conservative chick: thread-60831.html

[Hoser]

Mr Underwood: the Nixon tapes were indeed incredibly Red Pill. Perhaps someday you or I will summarize them in a ROK article....

[Hoser]

Not only do I approve of your link, I confess I've already looked up pics of young miss LePen while seeking fap material. That one with her braless in a gray tank top, and tight jeans, does it for me every time (I'd post it, but I'm a little technologically impaired).

She's like Kat Timpf: so-so when judged by looks alone, but fukin A when considered alongside her convictions.

[StackGsMan]

I personally don't consider myself very tall (6'2''), although other people do, and although I'm fat now (300 lbs), I'm pretty muscular underneath it and start to get cut around 210 lbs. So I guess I can chime in on this.

I don't think there is anything special that a big guy should do with regards to game. Any benefit it has, and there are certainly tons of benefits, are mostly gained passively, as in the girl feels a certain way about your size regardless of how you behave. It's like a really good looking guy and a chick that finds him attractive. She likes his looks regardless of how he behaves, and in fact there is more of a chance for her to find fault with him the more he "tries" to behave a certain way.

That being said, in my experience being the goofy guy or gentle giant has never worked as well for me as being intimidating, at least early on. I'm not saying it doesn't work to be funny or disarming, I'm just saying whenever I've used my size to my advantage the best it has been through accentuating my size by being brooding and mysterious.

The thing I would recommend doing though is what I believe is called cave-manning, although much more toned down. Pick her up like you would a feather. If you have big hands hold her hand, then slowly compare yours to hers so she notices how much bigger you are. These are things that can be done to highlight your size, but they are also a bit gimmicky and unnecessary because she will be conscious of your size to begin with.

[Hoser]

I can't see myself following that particular routine, but I think that's the point you were making: congruence with your own perception of yourself, plus intent, equals female tingles.

[Cr33pin]

What about game for bi guys?

Asking for a friend.....

[Hoser]

COTD

[MongolianAbroad]

(01-24-2017 12:26 AM)Hoser Wrote:  

Speaking of models, never forget that the fashion industry is run by homosexual men.

Homosexual.

Men.

The women they choose to walk the catwalk often look like the demographic preferred by homosexual men: adolescent males.

Check it out yourself. Once you see it, you can't unsee it.

Every time I see the "9s are runway models" comment, I cringe.

Spot on, Hoser. +1 from me.

It's a bit sad when nice, pretty girls see these gangly "models" and then beat themselves up over being too fat, or too short, when they're perfectly soft, as they should be, and stand at a perfectly huggable height.

I've seen some of these girls go from nice and soft, to extremely emaciated, a husk of their former self. The media can have a strong influence on folks.

Such is life.

[Hoser]

^ It's like women have abandoned the "girlish figure" standard for the "boyish figure" and not even noticed.

Meanwhile, heterosexual men are evacuating the country in search of feminine women.

[DimeBait]

I'm a big 6'3" 285lb black man. I've been dealing with this shit all my life. Open hand gestures, smiles, and humor are my go to weapons in my disarmament arsenal.
It's absolutely necessary in every aspect of life from dating to ordering a phucking cheeseburger from scary ass people. From purse clutching, to flat-out avoiding me, I've seen it all!

[MongolianAbroad]

(01-25-2017 04:55 PM)Hoser Wrote:  

^ It's like women have abandoned the "girlish figure" standard for the "boyish figure" and not even noticed.

That, or the "processed food orgy all day, every day" figure.

(01-25-2017 04:55 PM)Hoser Wrote:  

Meanwhile, heterosexual men are evacuating the country in search of feminine women.

[scorpion]

Not trying to hate on our new member, but this is one of the more perplexing threads in awhile. What is there to discuss about being physically bigger than average? It's a universal positive, just like being good looking, having a lot of money or high social status. I don't buy into this notion that because women are physically intimidated by large men that being large is therefore a weakness that has to be compensated for with a 'softer' style of game. I think that's pure male hamster from large guys who have been shot down and are looking for an excuse. "Oh, it was my size. I just scared her away. I need to be nicer and gentler so she suddenly forgets that I could break her in half."

Is it true that women will be more intimidated by large men? Yes. But that's not a bad thing. Arousal and fear are closely linked in women. The fact that she is physically intimidated by a larger man automatically raises his status in her eyes right off the bat: this is not a man she can ignore. It's also the most obvious and incontrovertible display of AMOG status you demonstrate over other men simply by standing around doing nothing. The reality is that the vast majority of women will never punish a man for being "too big", and that the few cases where that actually might happen will be utterly dwarfed by the occasions where being larger is socially advantageous (I'm literally talking something like 1000:1 ratio or more). It is simply not a weakness. It's not something you need to compensate for in any way. Being big is, with the exceptions of having a 10/10 male model face or being legitimately famous, the best social/sexual advantage a man can possess in life. Women and men both are more inclined to respond favorably to you and want to be on your good side right away. That's priceless.

And to be clear, this is not a case of sour grapes, being over 6' and 200 lbs. myself. While not huge, I'm bigger than most guys, and that has only ever worked to my advantage. And I wouldn't mind having another 5 inches and 50 lbs. on my frame (although any more than that I think would become a liability just for everyday quality of life moving comfortably through the world). Never in my life have I heard a woman say that a man was "too tall and muscular". Sure, women may talk shit about freakishly steroided bodybuilders or 7' beanpole NBA player physiques, but those are extreme outliers. For your average big guy 6'2-6'6" or so and 220-250 lbs. that's simply never going to happen. If you've seriously gotten that excuse from women as a rejection then your size wasn't the problem, that was just their way of letting you down easy because they weren't attracted for other reasons (bad game, too much of your bulk is fat, maybe they didn't like your face, etc...). On the other hand, almost every girl I've ever been with has expressed a natural revulsion to both short and skinny men. Those traits are universally punished by women, and so the corollary is quite obvious: their opposite (being taller and more muscular than average) is universally rewarded.

If you're a big guy and honestly think you're being shot down due to your size, that's probably just a sign you need to lose some weight (i.e. DimeBait above at 6'3" and 285 could probably afford to drop 40-50 lbs. to reach his ideal SMV weight) or work on your game in general (bad game will usually sabotage you regardless of size advantage).

[Hoser]

Scorpion, I may be speaking just for myself, but I don't think tons of men flock to RVF just because we're 100% happy with our grasp of game and we want to bask publicly in our accomplishments.

I came here to learn more about how the world works, including game for guys my size. This is a subject I've not previously seen addressed, so I brought it up.

Nobody here is complaining that's he's being "shot down" (your words--perhaps you're projecting?) due to his size. Dimebait himself sounds like he wears his weight very confidently. I see no reason to belittle him for it.

This thread was intended to be nothing more than a discussion on how to present one's unusually large size with extra confidence, in the hope of achieving extra-successful results in the game. It's called honing one's skills.

If you want to complain that, as a 6-foot man, you have too many options, start that thread.

[scorpion]

There is no such thing as "game for guys [your] size". There is just game. The entire purpose of my post was to point out that size is simply an absolute advantage and is therefore not even worth talking about. There's simply nothing to say besides the fact that being taller and more muscular is universally advantageous. There's a reason that the easiest thing the average man can do to improve his SMV noticeably is lifting weights. It's worn out advice for a reason: because it works. And the reason it works is very simple: because being larger makes men more socially dominant, which increases female attraction.

There is no need to "present one's unusually large size with extra confidence". What the fuck does that even mean? And you aren't even unusually large. 6'2" and low 200s is not exactly Andre the Giant territory. You're just bigger than average without being freakishly huge, which is exactly the sweet spot where you want to be. And unless he's built like Brock Lesnar, I'd wager that anyone standing 6'3" and 285 could probably afford to drop some weight. That's not belittling anyone, that's some actual good advice for "big" men that's going to improve their reactions from women. Being big is good, being fat is not. Let's not confuse the two, there is a difference.

If you want to "achieve extra-successful results in the game", then the first step is recognizing that your size is not even something you need to consider. If you have weaknesses in your game that you feel you can improve upon, I can assure you they are not related to being taller and more muscular than the average man.

[DimeBait]

Yeah, in no way did I mention nor imply that I've ever felt I was being "shot sown" for being a big guy.
I'm built like a lineman and always have been since playing football in school.
My point is, smaller people are intimidated by bigger men like myself and we have to work a bit harder to build comfort (w/ anyone).

I have been focusing on dropping the weight for health reasons though, but at the end of the day I'm completely comfortable & confident in my own skin.

[Hoser]

Useful, thanks.

Edit: this was in reply to Scorpion. Dimebait, you deserve an even more enthusiastic response, but it's okay, because we get each other. *fistbump*

[NewDayNewFace]

6'3, 199 checking in.

I've never had any chick just say I'm big so never even noticed anything about that. More then anything I get that I'm skinny.

But my game is confidence. Fake it until you make it, act like I've been there before.

[scorpion]

(01-25-2017 08:22 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

My point is, smaller people are intimidated by bigger men like myself and we have to work a bit harder to build comfort (w/ anyone).

The bolded portion is true, the italicized portion is false.

The only thing that big men do when they go to extra lengths to build comfort is lower their status. By engaging in that sort of behavior you are actually sabotaging yourself. You're adopting submissive behaviors in an effort to appear less physically imposing. But it doesn't work. People don't suddenly forget your size because you're being nicer. But they do wonder why you are being nicer and seeking their approval. And seeking approval is always a turn off for women and a signal of low status to other men. This goes doubly when you are obviously physically imposing. The subconscious reaction is: "This guy is big...so why is he being so nice? Is he that much of a pussy that he feels the need to be socially submissive even while enjoying such physical advantage? What's wrong with him?"

This is the behavior that results in a lot of big men getting AMOGed by average sized guys who are more socially dominant. Big man thinks he needs to be nice to offset his imposing frame. Average guy picks up on this and decides to start subtly AMOGing to see how far he can push the big man. I've seen very physically imposing guys end up clowned this way, when they would have been 100% better off just acting normally and allowing their size to work passively in their favor.

This is really my entire point. What is big man game? It's just normal game. You don't need to adjust anything. You're already starting with an advantage. Just don't fuck it up, which you are likely to do if you think you have some imaginary disadvantage you need to compensate for.

[StackGsMan]

(01-25-2017 08:59 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(01-25-2017 08:22 PM)DimeBait Wrote:  

My point is, smaller people are intimidated by bigger men like myself and we have to work a bit harder to build comfort (w/ anyone).

The bolded portion is true, the italicized portion is false.

The only thing that big men do when they go to extra lengths to build comfort is lower their status. By engaging in that sort of behavior you are actually sabotaging yourself. You're adopting submissive behaviors in an effort to appear less physically imposing. But it doesn't work. People don't suddenly forget your size because you're being nicer. But they do wonder why you are being nicer and seeking their approval. And seeking approval is always a turn off for women and a signal of low status to other men. This goes doubly when you are obviously physically imposing. The subconscious reaction is: "This guy is big...so why is he being so nice? Is he that much of a pussy that he feels the need to be socially submissive even while enjoying such physical advantage? What's wrong with him?"

This is the behavior that results in a lot of big men getting AMOGed by average sized guys who are more socially dominant. Big man thinks he needs to be nice to offset his imposing frame. Average guy picks up on this and decides to start subtly AMOGing to see how far he can push the big man. I've seen very physically imposing guys end up clowned this way, when they would have been 100% better off just acting normally and allowing their size to work passively in their favor.

This is really my entire point. What is big man game? It's just normal game. You don't need to adjust anything. You're already starting with an advantage. Just don't fuck it up, which you are likely to do if you think you have some imaginary disadvantage you need to compensate for.

I have to second this and everything else that Scorpion added to this thread.

[DimeBait]

Scorpian, you're completely contradicting yourself. On one hand you admit that being a big guy intimidates smaller people, yet claim disarming behavior is beta.
By that logic, refraining from disarming techniques would considerably shrink the pool of folks inclined to interact with you.
Sure, I could completely not give af what other folks thought and ignore most scary ass people but at the end of the day I'd rather be more social than not because I'm a social person.
This debate is pointless because it's entirely subjective. You yourself admit to not having experienced it, so why keep going on about it. I know exactly what the OP is referring to because I personally experience it.
I can be perceived as just another angry black man or a highly intelligent gentle giant. The latter disarms folks because it isn't what they expect and it's actually who I am.
Further, I'm not going out of my way seeking anyone's approval, especially women, it's just who I am.
Lol, I'm not a circus bear riding a bicycle, I'm just big dude who smiles, mimics non-verbal gestures, and show my palms a lot. I do a ton of public speaking, I've honed my act over the years.

[Frank Underwood]

(01-25-2017 07:26 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

Never in my life have I heard a woman say that a man was "too tall and muscular". Sure, women may talk shit about freakishly steroided bodybuilders or 7' beanpole NBA player physiques, but those are extreme outliers.

Hell, being in the latter category didn't hurt Wilt Chamberlain any. There are very few real downsides to being tall.

[Hoser]

Scorpion, thanks for clarifying. I now see your point, and it makes a lot of sense.

Then again, DimeBait also shares an understanding with me that you don't: being big can be awkward, and it can become a barrier.

Hell, I was just going through some ancient penpal letters going back to 1990 (before there was email), and this one girl from Band Camp (she was the one whose pants we all wanted to get into) mentioned that all the girls thought I was "MASSIVE" (emphasis in the original), and cool. Why would they even discuss such a thing of it weren't part of the [teen] SMP?

I've been in and out of shape over the years, but since I was a few months old, I've been off-the-charts big. Even when I'm skinny (6'2" and 180 lbs), I have a huge chest and large frame. In fact, it was a photo of me at that weight that was the impetus for this thread.

I've always attracted girls, sure, due to my size and my friendly and mischievous attitude. I've also had a hangup about my size the whole time. I thought maybe someone else might want to weigh in, pun intended, on the subject. It didn't work out as well as I'd hoped. Live & learn.