[Libertas]

This is indeed perplexing, but for once a welcome development. I wonder what his angle on this was? A way to punish the Cubans in Florida for voting Trump?

Let's see if it continues though. Trump owes a lot to the Cubans who helped him a lot in Florida, and he'll certainly need them again.

[PapayaTapper]

^^^This actually makes sense as there aren't any muslims coming out of Cuba after all.

It will be interesting to see how Trump (who has strong business and personal ties in FL) deals with Cuba once he sets his eyes on it. Especially since that wily fuck Fidel is no longer around to befuddle US policy like he did the

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I have a feeling Raul's shitting his pants now

[Going strong]

(01-13-2017 04:06 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

Cuba was great and will be again. It's just a matter of time

Or alternatively, one might ask: is it just a matter of time before Cuba becomes Haiti?.. Look at the demographics. Doesn't bode well... Once the government releases its (much-needed, I would sadly reckon) grip, it's gonna turn Cuba into Haiti, within three months. That, or the island empties itself unto Florida beaches - within three weeks. Or a mix of the two.

That is why I predict a continued status-quo for Cuba. No-one has any interest in unleashing a Haitian scenario unto Cuba. Neither the (remaining) Hispanic Cubans nor the US government.

[Latinopan]

Lets see what Obama just did with only few days left:

Remove an incentive for a particular group of illegal immigrants, said group also is heavily responsible for flipping the a key state during the election which Obama depended to ensure his beloved legacy survives and also looks like a last minute gift to a communists regime people on his party and the left seem to love so much.

Now the question is, has Obama removed any incentive for illegal immigration for any other group in the last 8 years? we know is the opposite, the level of privileges granted to others groups illegal entering the USA has only increased.

[godzilla]

(01-13-2017 12:23 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

I was shocked when I checked the news and saw Obama was doing this.

Make no mistake: this is a fantastic development for our side. Not all Cubans are created equal. The original, Republican leaning wave of Cubans are a bit analogous to white South Africans: a well off white minority in an otherwise "diverse" nation that was targeted by the ruling regime and dispossessed of its land and property. This is why they fled Cuba in the first place and why they hated the communist regime and all leftist political parties and movements.

The more recent waves of Cubans are far more "diverse" and are no different from any other third world economic migrants beating their way to American and European shores. They have no ideology and join the coalition of the fringes upon arrival along with all the other minorities. Again, they could be compared to black South African migrants arriving in America.

A truly terrifying spectre that raised its ugly head upon the death of Fidel Castro was the possibility that travel restrictions between Cuba and the USA would be lifted while the "wet food, dry foot" policy was kept in place. What this would have meant is that every Cuban who so desired would have been able to travel to the United States via aeroplane and claim legal residency and a direct pathway to citizenship upon setting foot on US soil, just like that.

This, of course, would have been an unmitigated disaster for our demographic balance on a national level, let alone concentrated in Florida, which is a state whose electoral votes we can ill afford to lose and expect to ever win the presidency again.

As to why Obama did the downright sane thing and ended the policy to reflect the easing of travel restrictions is a true mystery to me. It may well be the only beneficial action he took in his 8 years in office aside from the auto industry bailout.

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually. Most of the travel shows are in Havana (which has a large black pop.) so I could see how you would make that assumption.

The Cuban-American vote is really hard to tally. Most Cubans outside of South Florida have assimilated and mix with other whites, and mostly consider themselves white today. I suspect that Cubans vote Republican much higher then you think.

[Going strong]

(01-14-2017 08:07 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually.

Though (Cuban-published) official population figures are, 65% White and 35% Black - coincidentally (and conveniently) mirroring that of their Senate -, real figures (and yes, including Havana) are the other way round. Which means... what it means, for the future of Cuba... Thinking Haiti here: without a strong-hand, authoritative government, Cuba would downgrade to Haiti in, I don't know, say three months. That or everybody capable of walking would jump on any rickety boat, heading for Key West (as I wrote above, it'd be a mix of both scenario, actually: frightening).

[Going strong]

(01-14-2017 02:04 AM)Latinopan Wrote:  

Lets see what Obama just did with only few days left:

Remove an incentive for a particular group of illegal immigrants, said group also is heavily responsible for flipping the a key state during the election which Obama depended to ensure his beloved legacy survives and also looks like a last minute gift to a communists regime people on his party and the left seem to love so much.

I agree on your analysis, regarding Obama's heartfelt gift to a communist State much beloved (from a distance, mind you, or just for a 5-day, 5-star hotel holiday) by the "global Left".

As to very recent Cuban illegal migrants, having come by boat these last few years... I am pretty sure they mainly voted for Obama, being themselves mainly Black... I mean, White people able to leave Cuba, have left already, quite a long time ago. Or if they recently leave, they did it not by boat, but instead, by marriage or through the US-embassy policy regarding medical doctors from Cuba asking asylum... by the way, it is my understanding that Obama also cancelled this policy, which recommended US embassies to grant asylum to all Cuban MDs sent abroad. It was a real pain in the neck for Cuba, as its cherished MDs would defect at various Latin American embassies.

[PapayaTapper]

(01-14-2017 11:56 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 08:07 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually.

Though (Cuban-published) official population figures are, 65% White and 35% Black - coincidentally (and conveniently) mirroring that of their Senate -, real figures (and yes, including Havana) are the other way round. Which means... what it means, for the future of Cuba... Thinking Haiti here: without a strong-hand, authoritative government, Cuba would downgrade to Haiti in, I don't know, say three months. That or everybody capable of walking would jump on any rickety boat, heading for Key West (as I wrote above, it'd be a mix of both scenario, actually: frightening).

What are you basing your conjecture on?

How many Cubans do you know?

What/how do you actually know about the culture, community and values?

Haiti may as well be another planet. Not even apples to oranges.

Like I said above. Don't underestimate the wealth, power, influence and resolve of the Cuban exile community.

Once the last vestiges of the Castro regime are gone and the capital floodgates open (the corporate trickle has already started) Cuba is more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti

Haiti...Please

[Going strong]

(01-14-2017 01:00 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 11:56 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 08:07 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually.

Though (Cuban-published) official population figures are, 65% White and 35% Black - coincidentally (and conveniently) mirroring that of their Senate -, real figures (and yes, including Havana) are the other way round. Which means... what it means, for the future of Cuba... Thinking Haiti here: without a strong-hand, authoritative government, Cuba would downgrade to Haiti in, I don't know, say three months. That or everybody capable of walking would jump on any rickety boat, heading for Key West (as I wrote above, it'd be a mix of both scenario, actually: frightening).

What are you basing your conjecture on?

How many Cubans do you know?

What/how do you actually know about the culture, community and values?

I know many Cubans indeed, men and women (most of them living in Cuba, some in Miami). I have traveled several times over there (all over Cuba except of course Havana, which I naturally dislike), spanning more than a decade. I had a Cuban fiancee, and never went to touristy hotels. I still have very good friends in the island...

Well, so: to sum it up, I know a lot about the Cuban culture, which used to be very unique, endearing often and interesting; and about their, er, values (which, sadly, nowadays are but the USD and consumerism - among the young I mean).

(By the way, in case it's verifiable through RVF logs, I even logged on the forum from several "exotic" Cuban IP addresses... Ah, and as luck has it, I also showed pics of me in provincial Cuba, with assorted Cuban chicks, to a highly-ranked forum member, not three days ago. So yeah, you bet I know Cuba!)

Quoting you: "Don't underestimate the wealth, power, influence and resolve of the Cuban exile community.
Once the last vestiges of the Castro regime are gone and the capital floodgates open (the corporate trickle has already started) Cuba is more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti"

Cuba "more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti"?? Well, do you know that airlines companies are already diminishing, scaling down, the frequency of their flights to Cuba (after the partial opening of the market and slots, just a few months ago)? Tourists just don't come to the island as much as expected (US tourists in any case)...

Also, why would "Hispanic" Cuban Americans invest in a country that has changed so much, where they'd be an ethnic minority? I don't see them coming en-masse to live or even invest in the island. Yeah, couple of paladares here or there, a few casas particulares, sure, but apart from that...

[godzilla]

(01-14-2017 02:56 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 01:00 PM)PapayaTapper Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 11:56 AM)Going strong Wrote:  

(01-14-2017 08:07 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

The population of Cuba is still mostly white to this day actually.

Though (Cuban-published) official population figures are, 65% White and 35% Black - coincidentally (and conveniently) mirroring that of their Senate -, real figures (and yes, including Havana) are the other way round. Which means... what it means, for the future of Cuba... Thinking Haiti here: without a strong-hand, authoritative government, Cuba would downgrade to Haiti in, I don't know, say three months. That or everybody capable of walking would jump on any rickety boat, heading for Key West (as I wrote above, it'd be a mix of both scenario, actually: frightening).

What are you basing your conjecture on?

How many Cubans do you know?

What/how do you actually know about the culture, community and values?

I know many Cubans indeed, men and women (most of them living in Cuba, some in Miami). I have traveled several times over there (all over Cuba except of course Havana, which I naturally dislike), spanning more than a decade. I had a Cuban fiancee, and never went to touristy hotels. I still have very good friends in the island...

Well, so: to sum it up, I know a lot about the Cuban culture, which used to be very unique, endearing often and interesting; and about their, er, values (which, sadly, nowadays are but the USD and consumerism - among the young I mean).

(By the way, in case it's verifiable through RVF logs, I even logged on the forum from several "exotic" Cuban IP addresses... Ah, and as luck has it, I also showed pics of me in provincial Cuba, with assorted Cuban chicks, to a highly-ranked forum member, not three days ago. So yeah, you bet I know Cuba!)

Quoting you: "Don't underestimate the wealth, power, influence and resolve of the Cuban exile community.
Once the last vestiges of the Castro regime are gone and the capital floodgates open (the corporate trickle has already started) Cuba is more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti"

Cuba "more likely to be on the path to becoming US state #51 than devolve into another Haiti"?? Well, do you know that airlines companies are already diminishing, scaling down, the frequency of their flights to Cuba (after the partial opening of the market and slots, just a few months ago)? Tourists just don't come to the island as much as expected (US tourists in any case)...

Also, why would "Hispanic" Cuban Americans invest in a country that has changed so much, where they'd be an ethnic minority? I don't see them coming en-masse to live or even invest in the island. Yeah, couple of paladares here or there, a few casas particulares, sure, but apart from that...

Yea I know the official figures are bogus, hard to believe blacks are the majority though. Theres a lot of mixed people on the island, hard to tell whats what.

You basically just said because Cuba is mostly black it'll turn into Haiti, its an "hispanic" culture first of all, so thats a stretch. But even so, why couldn't it like be the DR, or Trindad and Tobogo or Bostwana, or Ghana?

[Teutatis]

(01-13-2017 01:41 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

The Cubans didn't need sanctuary cities because they were given automatic citizenship under the former policy.

They weren't given automatic citizenship, they were given a pathway to citizenship that still took years, but I agree that policy wasn't fair to other countries.

(01-14-2017 08:07 AM)godzilla Wrote:  

Most Cubans outside of South Florida have assimilated and mix with other whites, and mostly consider themselves white today.

They consider themselves white because they are white, they're mostly spaniards with some other euro mix. In fact they're "whiter" than lots of white Americans that claim to have some indian or black ancestry since white Cubans can be very racist and in general don't mix much.

I don't think Cuba will become Haiti but Going Strong is right about the demographics. The reality is that the majority of the white Cubans has left the island and is now living in the US and a few other countries. Cuba's population is now mainly black, so much so that when someone speaks of Cubans they picture a black guy or girl, not white, so Cuba will never be what once was or it could've been, communism destroyed Cuba forever. Not to say that it can't be a successful country once again, it surely can but it won't ever be what Cuba was, it will be something different, unless there was a massive exodus from Florida to Cuba from the white Cuban community, but I don't see that happening at all.

The white Cubans living in the US are highly educated and successful and are also as anti socialist as it can be, the Cubans coming to the US nowadays are more diverse both ethnically and politically.

[Going strong]

I have been told that, during centuries, Spaniards actually prohibited White people from leaving the island of Cuba. White "criollos" (Hispanics born in Cuba, not in Spain) were not allowed, by law, to resettle to another place. It's because, I guess, Spaniards wanted to avoid the fate of White settlers (originally from France), who were genocided by Blacks in Haiti in 1804. A genocide not taught in US schools, but which actually was the main "psychological" reason behind the American civil war.

Incidentally, one year or more ago, I wrote about this genocide on the forum, noting that even politically-correct Wikipedia calls it a genocide... but, surprise, Wikipedia has downgraded this total genocide to simple "massacres", and rewritten the text ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre )... Well of course, according to the establishment, White people, being Armenian or French, have no right to any historical "genocide victims" status (of course, and for several reasons, this excludes the only exception, you know which one)...

Anyway, a not-so-bad Ghana future is, granted, a possibility for Cuba. The Haiti scenario is not certain, luckily. But mind you, not a lot of people would invest in Ghana (big companies would, not individuals)...

[JayMillz]

[JayMillz]

(01-13-2017 12:55 PM)DannyAlberta Wrote:  

(01-12-2017 07:06 PM)JayMillz Wrote:  

In a statement issued by the White House, Obama said that, effective immediately, Cuban migrants will now be treated “the same way we treat migrants from other countries.”

If so, I submit that any Cuban who wants to stay perpetually (and illegally) in the United States should no longer be trying to make it to Florida. Try to make it to Mexico, walk across the one of the gaping holes in the Southern border and become 1 of the ~11-30 million.

Trump has to build that wall for you guys and soon.

[LeeEnfield303]

Cubanos chose....poorly.

[Teutatis]

(01-14-2017 06:51 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

I have been told that, during centuries, Spaniards actually prohibited White people from leaving the island of Cuba. White "criollos" (Hispanics born in Cuba, not in Spain) were not allowed, by law, to resettle to another place. It's because, I guess, Spaniards wanted to avoid the fate of White settlers (originally from France), who were genocided by Blacks in Haiti in 1804. A genocide not taught in US schools, but which actually was the main "psychological" reason behind the American civil war.

Incidentally, one year or more ago, I wrote about this genocide on the forum, noting that even politically-correct Wikipedia calls it a genocide... but, surprise, Wikipedia has downgraded this total genocide to simple "massacres", and rewritten the text ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1804_Haiti_massacre )... Well of course, according to the establishment, White people, being Armenian or French, have no right to any historical "genocide victims" status (of course, and for several reasons, this excludes the only exception, you know which one)...

Anyway, a not-so-bad Ghana future is, granted, a possibility for Cuba. The Haiti scenario is not certain, luckily. But mind you, not a lot of people would invest in Ghana (big companies would, not individuals)...

Haiti, once an extremely rich piece of land that devolved into the shithole that it is today because the black majority thought it would be a good idea to torture and exterminate the white minority.

You're right about how the events in what would later become Haiti influenced the events in the American civil war, the huge majority of white Americans never owned slaves but in the south they feared a Haiti like genocide. Funny how, unlike what modern propaganda would have you believe, anti slavery sentiment was already wide spread across Europe in the 18th century on humanitarian grounds, and the people that did own slaves did so not because they thought blacks weren't human or some nonsense like that but because their idiotic business models relied on it. Still, a really shitty and abhorring business model that fortunately humans got rid of (for the most part).

[Teutatis]

(01-14-2017 06:51 PM)Going strong Wrote:  

Anyway, a not-so-bad Ghana future is, granted, a possibility for Cuba. The Haiti scenario is not certain, luckily. But mind you, not a lot of people would invest in Ghana (big companies would, not individuals)...

Despite the clusterfuck of stupidity that a communist regime is Cuba at least managed to escape the sad fall into failed state that Venezuela suffered recently, so on one hand I do feel that Cuba could do relatively well after an hypothetical regime change (educated population, relative stability and peace, lots of Cuban expats in the US with money to invest, lots of businesses what could want to invest, etc.) but on the other I can also see the reasons it would simply slide more and more into failed statehood. I honestly don't know what will happen to the island.

[Yatagan]

Speaking of Cuba's racial demographics, this post that Vox Day posted by a second generation Cuban-american lays it all down: Link

Quote:

American of Cuban descent, second generation. I have a few thoughts.

First, I agree with Obama's decision even if I think it was done in bad faith. The US has enough people and it doesn't need any more. The ones who have been arriving as of late have not been the best and the brightest, and have added nothing to the US except for more debt through social services and depressed wages.

Second, I know that this was done because of the elections. Obama is a petty man. Had Hillary won, Obama probably would have sat this one through and let Hillary take it down. Cubans hate the Clintons anyway, so there would be no love lost there. But Steve Sailor has this right, Cubans went for Trump 54%. They voted for him with the same percentage as white women. So yeah, a petty move by a petty man. Although good was done, it was still done under false presences. Had this been an honest move, he would have done it before the election, right around the time relations with Cuba were normalized.

Third, and this isn't something anyone here is going to like to hear, but it must be said. For the poster who stated that the "Exile" should now go back, the "Exile" is dead. Literally. Those Cubans who considered themselves "The Exile" were baby boomers/greatest generation of which most have died. The last member of that generation is my grandmother who is so old she can neither speak nor move. Their children, the Baby Boomers, either came to the US as young children or were born here. They are somewhat culturally Cuban, but this is the gist, the Cuba which they are culturally a part of is no longer alive. CUBA, is dead. Dead dead dead. They may think they are Cubans, but most Cubans don't acknowledge them as such. Indeed, they are very different in values and appearance.

And this is connected to my Fourth point. It's very interesting that in a blog like this, and others, where race matters and where differences of race are considered, few people consider this dynamic in another country, like say, Cuba. If anyone were to scan the faces of those who went to Fidel's funeral, one would see a sea of black people. When one of my family members visited in the 90's, she came back with rolls of tape and a sad heart. "It's just not the same," she said. I wonder why. A great aunt, not quite so PC, asked while watching the video of the trip what "all those black people are doing there." The people who made Cuba what it is, the White/mostly white Spaniards are gone. That means Cuba is gone. This is a tough pill to swallow because no one likes to admit these things since to admit them, one would have to discuss difficult issues about race.

It's been white flight since '56. I know this because the Cubans I grew up with don't look anything like the majority of Cubans who live in Cuba right now. There is no way that second and third generation children will go there and fell at home. This is very different from going back to Europe and being surrounded by a people and a culture who are familiar. As a comparison, my Aunt who found Cuba too Different to visit again goes to Spain all the time and thinks its great.

I am honest enough to admit this, but most Cubans are not. Instead, they will find some excuse or other to stay here. A few recent arrivals who can't cut it may go back, but those who were born here of the original three waves will be in no hurry to go. I suspect that the man whose half-Cuban niece considered going to Cuba after Castro's death will have a mysterious change of heart if she ever seriously entertains the idea and does a few preliminary visits. She may never speak the reason, because to do so will mean she will cross the bounds of social respectability, but she will know it in her heart. Namely, that the Cubans who live in Cuba look nothing like her Cuban parent and extended family. She may as well move to Detroit, with nicer black people.

Race matters. Even in Cuba.

Fifth, Socialism isn't dead there. Castro's death changes nothing. The family is still very much in power, and a successor has been named upon Raul's death. The majority black/mulatto population backs and happily does their bidding even though the ruling class is almost entirely white.

Cuba is dead to me. But it isn't just dead to me, it is dead, period.

As a (Euro/Spanish)Cuban-American myself living in a majority Cuban city here in South FL, i can attest that what I've seen of Cubans in Cuba doesn't match up with the ones I've grown up with and still live around.

[Cattle Rustler]

The following is a reddit post that pretty much says what I feel:

You mean the communist nation they flee from and then return to 3 or 4 times a year to? They come because of money like everyone else, not persecution. Many Cubans would come to the US, claim parole and asylum, start receiving their stipend and then move back to Cuba 365 days later. A friend or family member would then send them the money that the US Gov't is paying them and live like kings.

Y'all like to talk shit about Messicans but Cubans are the real welfare queens.

There are some who left Cuba and have been living in Spain for many years, and then to retire come to the USA and claim parole and asylum. I'm glad these fuckers got shut right in their face.

[Cattle Rustler]

Also, I wish we could deport them all and finally put an end to their fucked up Spanish. Can't those niggas enunciate their "S"s?

Some of you folks have an obsession with white-only migration.

[Going strong]

(01-17-2017 02:51 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

Some of you folks have an obsession with white-only migration.

Could it be because we've seen what "Black" (Afro-descending) migration does to countries, anywhere it occurs in the world? Not exactly bringing a cornu copiae along...

[Off The Reservation]

(01-12-2017 07:14 PM)Atlanta Man Wrote:  

Game Changer! All the rednecks in Ft Lauderdale and all parts North Florida are rejoicing! Make South Florida America Again!!! Make Miami Great Again!!! MMGA!!! English is back in South Florida!

Rediculous. You have no idea whay you are talking about. Cuban-Americans are some of the biggest Anti-Communist (and Trump supporters) in America. Take a look at Miami, this city, its institutions, buildings and wealth was built mostly by Cuban Americans. Before them it was a sleepy mosquito outpost port town.

The Obama action is strictly as a favor to the Communist government of Cuba. I was in Cuba the day this happened and was able to collect a lot of information.

More than an estimated 10,000 are enroute (via people smugglers Guyana - VZ - Colombia -CA - MX) as opposed to the dangerous water crossing, right now.

OP normally you have some decent comments but this one? Save it for Mexicans or something. Its dumb ass ignorant.

[Oz.]

I just noticed this thread. I'm not even going to comment on it, but, I'm glad theres some guys like Going strong and Off The Reservation who actually know what they are talking about.

Oh yeah you can't deport me, I got my green card.

[RaccoonFace]

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