[InjunJoe95]

First of all, it pains me to ask this, because I would really like a girlfriend. However, many people have given me advice along the lines of how I should wait on that and get more experience with girls. So...
How do I avoid making girls desire me for a relationship (i feel wierd asking, because I've never had a problem with that before, but I'm assuming my game will inprove ). Is it more about the vibe you give, or more about screening for certain girls?

EDIT: I'm asking because while I do not believe casual sex is wrong, but I would like to avoid hurting/leading on people as much as possible, since I know what it feels like.

[Turnus]

Curious how old you are? It makes a difference

[InjunJoe95]

I'm 21

[Serious Sam]

(01-04-2017 02:07 PM)InjunJoe95 Wrote:  

How do I avoid making girls desire me for a relationship (i feel wierd asking, because I've never had a problem with that before, but I'm assuming my game will inprove ). Is it more about the vibe you give, or more about screening for certain girls?

This is a good thing. Women desire you. If you're attracted to them, don't screen them out. Just don't make false promises or say shit you don't mean.

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EDIT: I'm asking because while I do not believe casual sex is wrong, but I would like to avoid hurting/leading on people as much as possible, since I know what it feels like.

This is an unfortunate side effect of game. You get intimate with people, and sometimes they're bound to catch feelings. If you want to gain experience with women, this will happen.

The most important things you can do to minimize the hurt:

1) Don't lie. Don't tell them you want a relationship when in actuality you want to keep it casual.

2) Create some distance if they're getting too attached. Sometimes you have to completely cut them off, especially if they start getting jealous, clingy, or overly emotional.

You can set ground rules at the start, but they won't do much good. Women are emotional creatures, so any and all rules will go out the window once they get doughy-eyed and fall in love.

[InjunJoe95]

That's what I suspected I know there are plenty of hardened sluts, but I didn't think most women could just sleep with guys without catching feelings sooner or later. I was hoping I could improve myself without also feeling like a piece of shit, but now I don't know if that's possible :/

[LeoneVolpe]

If you don't want to be thought a boyfriend, don't do the things a boyfriend would do...

. Don't call/text her all the time
. Don't see her everyday
. Don't buy her gifts, or at least not expensive ones (e.g. NO flowers, jewelry, etc.)
. Don't take shit from her
. Keep seeing other girls
. Don't meet her family
. Don't introduce her to your family
. Postpone or avoid meeting her friends
. Postpone or avoid introducing her to your friends
. Don't go out on romantic dates
. Split the check whenever possible
. Fuck her hard (no "lovemaking" bullshit)
. Treat her like a bratty kid sister, don't put her on a pedestal
. Always put yourself/your needs first

The list goes on and on...

Remember: Women may be the gatekeepers of sex, but men are the gatekeepers of relationships. You could do all the things mentioned above and girls would not only still want to fuck you, it's quite likely they'd still want to pursue a relationship from you, too. Since men are, by and large, the ones who get to dictate whether or not something materializes into a relationship, you don't have to let anything evolve past a point you don't want it to.

Even if you do find a girl who catches your..."heart"...Don't make the mistake of asking her to be your girlfriend. Why? Well, for one, it's weak. Two, there's a better way to do it. Just keep seeing her and eventually she'll ask you something like "What are we, anyway?" or "Where's this going?" When that happens, you know she's interested in becoming something more. At that point, you can decide whether you want to keep seeing her and take things to the next level or next her.

Nowadays, girls are becoming so masculinized that even if a girl likes you, she's been socially conditioned (brainwashed) into thinking a better life awaits her on the cock carousel -- and your asking to be her boyfriend is somehow "needy" or "clingy" -- so don't put yourself in that position. There is power in letting her come to you.

Quote:

"When you force the other person to act, you are the one in control. It is always better to make your opponent come to you, abandoning his own plans in the process. Lure him with fabulous gains -- then attack. You hold the cards."

- Robert Greene, Law 8 - Make Other People Come to You - Use Bait if Necessary, "The 48 Laws of Power"

[Rhyme or Reason]

LV covered most of the angles.

So OP, how many threads are you gonna start before you, y'know...ACT?

[Dalaran1991]

If a girl really likes you, and she is not fucked up enough, it is entirely natural and good for her to make you commit as her boyfriend. Doesnt matter how much of an ass you are, how bad you treat her. Listen to a girl in love with a bad boy, hear all the excuses she makes for him for his bad behaviors, and the spark in her eyes. All normal girls want a bad boy that she can turn into a boyfriend, doesnt matter waht you do. Else half of this forum would not exist.

I think you should just enjoy it and dont worry too much about "hurting" girls, and this comes from someone who still has some white knight left.

If you've had extensive experience with women, you realize how resilient they are to being "hurt" in a LTR. Before you know it, she will have monkey branched to another guy and you will just be another FB photo she has to delete. You "hurt" her as much as the Trump voter "hurt" her by not agreeing with her.

I also dont believe in leading a girl on / wasting her prime years and all that. If you are in the western world, you can bet your hairy ass that most women are wasting their prime anyway, and none of them are looking to settle down (I assume we are only talking about bangable girls). Plus, seduction is a game. You want sex, she wants commitment. Nobody is obliged to give other anything, else it would be a contract and not a game.

And you never know, if your game is good and your luck is shining, you will soon run into a girl who makes you want to be a boyfriend.

You are fucking 21, at this age worry about how to up your game and get the hottest girl jesus. Start worrying about morality when you get 25 and are old and bitter like me

[InjunJoe95]

Thanks for the answers everyone! Rhyme or Reason, you asked me a fair question, why haven't I acted yet. There are several reasons. The first is that I'm in rural Pennsylvania at the moment, so there isn't really an abundance of girls. Also, any gaming activities I undertake must be kept secret from my family, specifically my parents (I am home for the holidays), as they are very strict Christians and would treat me like the antichrist if they found out I was sleeping with girls on the regular. In three weeks I'll be back at school, in close proximity to thousands of young attractive women, so it'll have to have to wait.

[Jim Johnson]

"How do I avoid making girls desire me for a relationship"

Keep asking others out. (That won't stop them from desiring you, but they will eventually get the picture).

[BigL]

(01-04-2017 02:07 PM)InjunJoe95 Wrote:  

First of all, it pains me to ask this, because I would really like a girlfriend. However, many people have given me advice along the lines of how I should wait on that and get more experience with girls. So...
How do I avoid making girls desire me for a relationship (i feel wierd asking, because I've never had a problem with that before, but I'm assuming my game will inprove ). Is it more about the vibe you give, or more about screening for certain girls?

EDIT: I'm asking because while I do not believe casual sex is wrong, but I would like to avoid hurting/leading on people as much as possible, since I know what it feels like.

First of all, if you want a gf, go for it. Simple as that. Follow your own desires. Don't let people tell you what to do.

But, if you decide to fuck some more, here are some tips for your "problem":

1. Escalate faster.
2. Be sexual, talk about sex and show her you want to fuck her.
3. Simply tell her, "im not boyfriend material" with a smile ofc.
4. Be relentless and persistent
5. Be more physical.

And don't mention your good car or how much money you make, that's obvious.

[heavy]

(01-04-2017 02:07 PM)InjunJoe95 Wrote:  

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I would like to avoid hurting/leading on people as much as possible, since I know what it feels like.

You will. And they will hurt you.

That's why god made women so attractive to us, so they could move on to another guy so easily when you hurt them. So don't feel too bad for them.

And that's why god made men so resilient psychologically (triad traits), so we could shut off our emotions to women who burned us. So don't feel too bad for yourself.

To your question, I wouldn't worry about avoiding looking like boyfriend material. The game is in getting the experience. If that experience means getting burned by a girl when you're 21, great. Actually, get burned by 2 or 3 girls when you're 21.

I didn't get burned until I was 27, so you'll be way ahead of a lot of guys.

Becoming a man involves getting burned.

[Monxp]

(01-04-2017 04:13 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

. Don't call/text her all the time
. Don't see her everyday
. Don't buy her gifts, or at least not expensive ones (e.g. NO flowers, jewelry, etc.)
. Don't take shit from her
. Keep seeing other girls
. Don't meet her family
. Don't introduce her to your family
. Postpone or avoid meeting her friends
. Postpone or avoid introducing her to your friends
. Don't go out on romantic dates
. Split the check whenever possible
. Fuck her hard (no "lovemaking" bullshit)
. Treat her like a bratty kid sister, don't put her on a pedestal
. Always put yourself/your needs first

I would agree with the list as a general good piece of advice. However, sometimes exceptions make the rule. I once went out with this girl for the first time and she wanted introduce me to her mother. I was like WTF, but let her do it anyway. After talking with her mom for a while we left to another place. Soon we started making out but the logistics where not on my favor. Being horny myself I decided that I'm not gonna waste the momentum and just taked her hand, walked to a small forest nearby and fucked the shit out of her. Sometimes you just go with the flow and everything falls into place.

As for my advice, make things sexual fast. If you make things sexual fast, she will know that you are open for some fun. Have fun and enjoy the feelings you get from gaming my friend.

Also, if you want to find a girlfriend, find one. Having a girlfriend will improve game if you keep your frame and will get you some sexual experience, which can be used with other girls later on if the relationship goes dry.

[Travesty]

Don't let her sleep overnight at all costs. If she is drunk or too tired to catch a cab back, go sleep on the couch. Tell her you have a very hard time getting good sleep next to someone new in your life if you have to.

If you don't want this to happen you need to make it painfully clear with girls it is all about a fun little hang out then banging, then she leaves. Otherwise you will get the "what are we?" conversation sooner than later.

Also keep conversation light, avoid conversations about knowing what her close friends, family, and history is like. Keep it business, and business is a few laughs then banging in this case.