[Bycicleguy]

So I don't remember where I got this advice from, I remember reading a thread where a user wrote that if you are looking for a quick bang it is better to not kiss a girl before you bring her home, in theory, it is harder to convince girls to come home with you after you already kissed them, I have noticed this too so I decided to test this theory on the field.

Today I asked out a girl who works in the same building where I work (different companies, but I see her occasionally). With this girl I could feel some tension when we were on the park drinking wine, there were some times when we stared at each other eyes and she laughed awkwardly, but I was convinced to not kiss her. I managed to bring her home easily because it started to rain, but even then she was putting some resistance and I could see she was nervous about it. Then, as soon as we arrived she became very indifferent, looking at her phone and trying to get an Uber after a short time, maybe it was an anti-slut defense of being at my home before she was more comfortable with me, I tried to escalate but she was unresponsive (also the wine didn't work that well to lower her inhibitions because she stopped drinking just when we arrived).

So at least I think it might be better to build a momentum before inviting them to avoid them behave like this. What do you guys usually do?

[robreke]

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[philosophical_recovery]

If there's a moment to take outside of my place, i take it. But it's not a make or break.

The whole time I'm touching their arms, sides, legs, brushing against her tits or whatever is situationally possible and appropriate. But i escalate a lot quicker at home.

To clarify: a girl that was clearly dtf last night at the club was standing close to me and i wasn't moving my arm away when she accidently bumped her cooch into my hand. I also genuinely accidentally grazed her tits once. She kept putting herself in the situation to make sure it happened again and again. She was like putty to me because she knew i wasn't afraid and was setting the pace. She dug her nails into my back while we danced.

I've gotten SNLs by only kissing a girl once i had her back at my place and also kissing them beforehand.

In her mind, based on your actions, she may have been turned off by you not striking while the iron is hot while you were drinking wine.

Don't overthink this. Escalate as appropriate. If you cannot read this, meet more girls and experiment, because it only comes from experience.

And for the love of Roosh please meet some girls not associated at all with your workplace.

[Bycicleguy]

(12-23-2016 10:14 PM)philosophical_recovery Wrote:  

If there's a moment to take outside of my place, i take it. But it's not a make or break.

The whole time I'm touching their arms, sides, legs, brushing against her tits or whatever is situationally possible and appropriate. But i escalate a lot quicker at home.

To clarify: a girl that was clearly dtf last night at the club was standing close to me and i wasn't moving my arm away when she accidently bumped her cooch into my hand. I also genuinely accidentally grazed her tits once. She kept putting herself in the situation to make sure it happened again and again. She was like putty to me because she knew i wasn't afraid and was setting the pace. She dug her nails into my back while we danced.

I've gotten SNLs by only kissing a girl once i had her back at my place and also kissing them beforehand.

In her mind, based on your actions, she may have been turned off by you not striking while the iron is hot while you were drinking wine.

Don't overthink this. Escalate as appropriate. If you cannot read this, meet more girls and experiment, because it only comes from experience.

And for the love of Roosh please meet some girls not associated at all with your workplace.

I understand what you mean with escalating when feeling it appropriate, that was the issue, suddenly I felt it wasn't appropriate because just when we got to my place she wasn't feeling it anymore.

I think it might have been a mix of two things: the awkwardness of being at my home so soon and as you said, she probably didn't take well that I didn't kiss her when she was up for it. I had a couple of situations like that before, the girl is looking me with puppy eyes, I don't do anything with the tension of the moment for whatever reason and then she loses interest. I would like to know how the guys who follow the Tuthmosis recipe do to avoid this issue, I sometimes feel like it is the ultimate female libido killer when you don't make a move when she is giving you strong IOIs, I don't understand what bothers them so much about this, sometimes you just actually want to wait for another moment, to be in a more private place, etc.

I try to not overthink, but I also like to get feedback from other people to avoid making the same mistakes again.

[philosophical_recovery]

Could've been anything. She could've been suddenly thinking about anything from work tomorrow or potential awkwardness from bumping into you again since you work near each other. I had something similar happen to me recently and the girl was very inexperienced and just out of a relationship.... Got the bang quite a while later with patience and indifference.

Let it cool off a while, maybe meet at least one other chick, and invite her out again. Don't act different if you see her again. Unless she sends out strong interest of seeing you again.

[LeoneVolpe]

Here's my two-cents...

There's really two different ways you can approach a kiss:

. Wait for the "perfect" moment, a moment which might not ever come.
. Just go for it.

Usually, at some point during an interaction, there's a moment -- a small window in time when a kiss would be perfect. If such a moment takes place and you miss that window, you're often "dead in the water." Your hesitancy to seize that moment won't go unnoticed and her snatch will dry up like the Sahara.

More often than not, I prefer just going for it. Why? Because even if the timing isn't "perfect," you'll at least be seen as spontaneous and not thought a pussy. The location doesn't matter as much as your being willing to create your own opportunity.

[philosophical_recovery]

Also to clarify my last I DID kiss her.

If a girl doesn't want to kiss you she won't let you.

[LeoneVolpe]

Oh, and if you go for the kiss and get the cheek -- DON'T FREAK OUT! Maintain your frame, which I understand is easier said than done, and don't act like it bothered you. Have a vibe like she's just teasing you and that you halfway expected that to happen, then try again later. Sometimes you can immediately go for it again and be successful. I've had this happen on more than a few occasions and was still able to get a bang later, if not that very night than relatively soon after.

A rejected kiss is NOT the end of the world.

[philosophical_recovery]

(12-23-2016 11:18 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

Oh, and if you go for the kiss and get the cheek -- DON'T FREAK OUT! Maintain your frame, which I understand is easier said than done, and don't act like it bothered you. Have a vibe like she's just teasing you and that you halfway expected that to happen, then try again later. Sometimes you can immediately go for it again and be successful. I've had this happen on more than a few occasions and was still able to get a bang later, if not that very night than relatively soon after.

A rejected kiss is NOT the end of the world.

Would've lost several lays if i wasn't a persistent bastard about this.

Straight denied once. Waited. Came back and she reciprocated. Started kissing her neck and she didn't resist. Pulled her top down to kiss her tits and she didn't resist... Bang bang bang

Girl i just mentioned: gently turned her face down and i gently lifted her chin, looked her in the eyes, and slowly moved in again.

As long as nobody is watching i am capable of playing it cool. I've witnessed many a blowout by others in bars though. They still made a second attempt.

[Latan]

(Almost) Never before.
So when leaving the bar, when you make her come to your place for a "last drink", she won't think you'll try to bang her this night, as you didn't even go through the first "phase".

[ladderff]

If this is your question I strongly recommend Mystery Method by Mystery. He has a graph of different stages in the interaction and discusses the timing of them, how you know where you are in the graph, how to progress, etc. Whatever Mystery the man has come to mean to you, this book is gold.