[augen sehen]

I'm far from an accomplished pick-up artist, but I've lived in the Bay Area for a few years among other cities in the states, dated Asians in the US, and now live in Berlin and have visited Barcelona.

Berlin has a LOT of young girls from all over Germany and Europe that come to study and live here. A lot of fine Spanish and Italian girls are in Berlin, but they either become alternative or are already that way when they move here. Plenty of normal girls though. I've dated pretty girls without tattoos here. Knowing German is strongly recommended, although less so in Berlin than other German cities.

I'm guessing if you like the Southern European look - tan skin, dark eyes, you'd be better off in BCN and gaming in Italy etc. If you like the blonde look, come to Berlin, just expect there to be more piercings, tattooos etc in the clubs unless you like street game. Nothing like the states though, girls are more classy even with the funky hair and alternative lifestyles.

Regarding projects, Barcelona is happening right now - there are worse cities in Europe to go to if you are into startups. If you want to co-found a company that's great. However, Berlin has been happening for a few years now, and the startup scene is still looking good. There's no shortage of jobs, from intern on up to CTO/etc.

[Platon_]

thanks for the feedback.
Aren't there also blonde girls (from other countries) in BCN? It seems the city is quite international as well but I might be mistaken.

[expatinlocombia]

(12-09-2016 11:21 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  

Berlin's weather isn't terribly appealing. I'd do SF or Barcelona (whats the pay difference?)

Ish. It's very hot and humid in the summer. The metro is populated by people who have never heard of antiperspirant. If you like that, great.

On the other hand if you like skiing[1], or just your winters crisp rather than soggy, Germany's gotta be the better option.

Horses for courses really.

[1] Day trip required

[expatinlocombia]

(12-10-2016 03:46 PM)Platon_ Wrote:  

thanks for the feedback.
Aren't there also blonde girls (from other countries) in BCN? It seems the city is quite international as well but I might be mistaken.

Very international. Lots of stag/hen nights if you like you chicas legless.

[augen sehen]

There are, of course, but it's a matter of percentages. % wise, Berlin has more Nordic-looking women.

One important thing to keep in mind is that summer in Berlin is about 8 weeks long, although this year it started late and continued into September/early October. The rest of the time you're not gonna see a lot of skirts and shorts, which also affects girls' mood. Hotter weather = hornier girls.

All in all, I'd recommend Barcelona if you're able to find a job in either city. Rent might be cheaper in Berlin, but gaming opportunities abound in Barcelona with the beach nearby and hundreds of thousands of turistas visiting every month.

Also, if you like skiing, go to Munich or Stuttgart, or somewhere in the south. There isn't much skiing or snow culture in Berlin.

[kirdiesel]

(12-10-2016 05:03 PM)augen sehen Wrote:  

There are, of course, but it's a matter of percentages. % wise, Berlin has more Nordic-looking women.

One important thing to keep in mind is that summer in Berlin is about 8 weeks long, although this year it started late and continued into September/early October. The rest of the time you're not gonna see a lot of skirts and shorts, which also affects girls' mood. Hotter weather = hornier girls.

All in all, I'd recommend Barcelona if you're able to find a job in either city. Rent might be cheaper in Berlin, but gaming opportunities abound in Barcelona with the beach nearby and hundreds of thousands of turistas visiting every month.

Listen to US.. We both live in Germany.

Go to Barcelona.

[expatinlocombia]

(12-10-2016 05:05 PM)kirdiesel Wrote:  

Listen to US.. We both live in Germany.

Go to Barcelona.

Def horses for courses! I lived in BCN and am looking at moving to BER I would move back to Spain but not BCN.

[SlickyBoy]

(12-10-2016 11:04 AM)Platon_ Wrote:  

(12-09-2016 11:21 PM)Sonoma Wrote:  

You can find relatively cheap rent in SF if you're willing to have roommates. I have friends paying as low as 600-700 in the Richmond, closer to 1400 for Nob Hill

The ratio is terrible, but like some people have said, if you like Asian girls it's not bad. Also consider that a lot of the guys game there is atrocious, though it does attract a reasonable amount of mid 20s-30s people who are well educated, intelligent, and have a social background.

Berlin's weather isn't terribly appealing. I'd do SF or Barcelona (whats the pay difference?)

I guess you're right, but I have a weird gut feeling with SF. I'm getting tired of the startups scene meme and the city has an uncomfortable vibe with me.
Also, the idea of living recluded in a shared flat in a shady neighboorhood in SF to save money isn't so appealing. I'd rather make less, live better, and work on my own stuff in my free time to make more money.

Trust that gut feeling of yours - SF sucks for guys. Hell, ManFrancisco isn't even very good for the rich guys.

Exhibit A: the Google exec and multimillionaire with a Yacht still had to resort to a tatted up drug addict hooker to get some play on the side. Pathetic.

I've been to a few house parties where the average guy in attendance made 120k, and the women there were utter ham beasts - 4s through 6s getting more attention than they ever would in LA or San Diego. Disgusting.

Sure, there are more asian women than usual but even so the ratio still sucks, the cost of living is exorbitant and the political correctness pings the retard meter like nowhere else in America. I seriously think DC has better options for you, women-wise and cost of living, than that overrated shithole. You even could live cheaper and have way more pussy in NYC if you picked your location wisely.

Given your choices presented, I'd say Barcelona, though I have never been there.

[McCarthy]

Do NOT go to San Francisco.

Barcelona is a great city, I’ve lived there many years, don’t expect great salaries.

Berlin has good techno scene and lots of Polish girls, cold weather though.

[Platon_]

So it seems I'm not the only one who had a weird gut feeling about SF.

McCarthy> care to share more about your experiences in BCN/SF?

[McCarthy]

San Francisco, I visited twice and I have friends living there.

The rent is hell. Making $120k/year you share appartment with three people.
Climate: not the best.
Ratio female/male. It has been said, already.
No-go zones and crime.
City of trasplants. Engineer gentrification to the max.
Ultra SJW to the max.

Barcelona:
The city is going up in terms of startups and job opportunities.
It is getting very touristic, the spirit of the city is vanishing.
Nice beach, and good climate throughout the year.
Locals are a little bit mad about tourists and foreigners, though.
Good cultural offer. No crime.
I recommend to learn Catalan and Spanish. People will value you more. Learning Catalan per se will get you know the locals and make friends.
Girls are attractive, but the only easy ones are the tourists.
You’ll need VERY TIGHT GAME to get laid with locals. There is no really that much ONS culture in Spain. Only bad aspects of feminism + Princess mentality.(the good aspect, women being easy, is not there)
Social circles are hard to penetrate. People know each other since children. American "friendship" is not there, you’ll have to work hard to get local friends.

[expatinlocombia]

I'd only bother with Catalan if you find you really like Catalan nationalist girls. Otherwise skip it and concentrate on your Spanish (assuming you don't speak it already?). Every Catalan speaks Spanish and only those who suffered under Franco will begrudge having to speak it.

And if you find the locals too much like hard work, don't bother with them: there's so many other options.

I had no problems making good local friends. Catalans can be rather brusque and unfriendly though: it's just their way.

[Platon_]

(12-11-2016 06:45 AM)McCarthy Wrote:  

San Francisco, I visited twice and I have friends living there.

The rent is hell. Making $120k/year you share appartment with three people.
Climate: not the best.
Ratio female/male. It has been said, already.
No-go zones and crime.
City of trasplants. Engineer gentrification to the max.
Ultra SJW to the max.

Barcelona:
The city is going up in terms of startups and job opportunities.
It is getting very touristic, the spirit of the city is vanishing.
Nice beach, and good climate throughout the year.
Locals are a little bit mad about tourists and foreigners, though.
Good cultural offer. No crime.
I recommend to learn Catalan and Spanish. People will value you more. Learning Catalan per se will get you know the locals and make friends.
Girls are attractive, but the only easy ones are the tourists.
You’ll need VERY TIGHT GAME to get laid with locals. There is no really that much ONS culture in Spain. Only bad aspects of feminism + Princess mentality.(the good aspect, women being easy, is not there)
Social circles are hard to penetrate. People know each other since children. American "friendship" is not there, you’ll have to work hard to get local friends.

Thanks for the info. My spanish is weak but I pick up languages quite easily, and I'd be more motivated to learn it than german for sure.

[Giovonny]

I live in San Francisco.

Our once famous culture is now dead.

We used to be rebellious, quirky, and fun.

Now, we are elitist liberals, techies, and dorks..

Go to Barcelona.

(unless your earning potential is much greater in SF, which is very possible -- in that case, come to SF for the $$$ but don't expect a cultural experience that can rival Barcelona! Barcelona is a 1hour plane ride from the rest of Europe, San Francisco is a 1hour plane ride from Reno, Fresno, etc,)


$ aside, this is an easy decision.

[Celestial]

Do not go to San Francisco for anything but the cash, the place is a wasteland. Barcelona seems to be the best bet, though Berlin is also way ahead of SF and is a solid alternative.

[ThrustMaster]

Barcelona hands down.

[Platon_]

(12-11-2016 01:24 PM)Giovonny Wrote:  

I live in San Francisco.

Our once famous culture is now dead.

We used to be rebellious, quirky, and fun.

Now, we are elitist liberals, techies, and dorks..

Go to Barcelona.

(unless your earning potential is much greater in SF, which is very possible -- in that case, come to SF for the $$$ but don't expect a cultural experience that can rival Barcelona! Barcelona is a 1hour plane ride from the rest of Europe, San Francisco is a 1hour plane ride from Reno, Fresno, etc,)


$ aside, this is an easy decision.

I'm sure I can save 15k-20k per year in SF. Thing is.. I value quality of life over money these days, and most importantly, if I decide to put money as my priority it will be by building my business. I know it's one of the only way to get really wealthy these days, at least in my situation.

[TheDealCloser]

(12-07-2016 11:29 AM)Platon_ Wrote:  

Hey guys,
Just had several job opportunities in SF, Berlin, Barcelona.
Salaries are quite high for their countries respectively (except maybe SF where it's market rate, ~120k), all companies are working on very interesting projects that would push my career forward.
I'm a 30 single guy. SF is very interesting professionally but I've been there and I find the vibe a bit weird, plus I'd be considered low middle class even with a 6-figure salary and it's far from my European culture (I don't plan to settle down anytime soon, but if the opportunity happens, I don't see myself living in the Bay Area for a long time, or the US for that matter).
Barcelona looks like I'd be having a very nice life, although I wouldn't be saving as much as in SF obviously.
Berlin seems nice as well, but I haven't been there recenlty so it's hard to say.

I'd appreciate any advice from you guys!

Yo! I lived in SF and Berlin and will start with the city(SF)! FUCK SF when it comes to the ladies and the cost of living. Shit has changed like a motherfucker. SF was dope all the way till 2011. That's when I moved to Berlin. Since recently returning to the California, I have lost all hope for SF. The ratio is 70/30 with dudes on top. A solid 3 thinks she is 9.

Berlin is DOPE! There is nice range of people to chill with. If you are alternative, knock yourself out. If you want hotter chicks, you'll want to hang out in Mitte. If you want super feminine ladies that are sexy as hell, you can always shoot to Poland right next door. That's what I did a lot. Plus he Polish chicks will come see you every weekend. I'll be moving back to Berlin by the beginning of March 2017. Berlin is for everyone though. The funny thing is I started to dislike Berlin and fell in love with it again after I moved to Sweden.

If you have questions, I have answers,

Peace

[Platon_]

(12-11-2016 05:17 PM)TheDealCloser Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 11:29 AM)Platon_ Wrote:  

Hey guys,
Just had several job opportunities in SF, Berlin, Barcelona.
Salaries are quite high for their countries respectively (except maybe SF where it's market rate, ~120k), all companies are working on very interesting projects that would push my career forward.
I'm a 30 single guy. SF is very interesting professionally but I've been there and I find the vibe a bit weird, plus I'd be considered low middle class even with a 6-figure salary and it's far from my European culture (I don't plan to settle down anytime soon, but if the opportunity happens, I don't see myself living in the Bay Area for a long time, or the US for that matter).
Barcelona looks like I'd be having a very nice life, although I wouldn't be saving as much as in SF obviously.
Berlin seems nice as well, but I haven't been there recenlty so it's hard to say.

I'd appreciate any advice from you guys!

Yo! I lived in SF and Berlin and will start with the city(SF)! FUCK SF when it comes to the ladies and the cost of living. Shit has changed like a motherfucker. SF was dope all the way till 2011. That's when I moved to Berlin. Since recently returning to the California, I have lost all hope for SF. The ratio is 70/30 with dudes on top. A solid 3 thinks she is 9.

Berlin is DOPE! There is nice range of people to chill with. If you are alternative, knock yourself out. If you want hotter chicks, you'll want to hang out in Mitte. If you want super feminine ladies that are sexy as hell, you can always shoot to Poland right next door. That's what I did a lot. Plus he Polish chicks will come see you every weekend. I'll be moving back to Berlin by the beginning of March 2017. Berlin is for everyone though. The funny thing is I started to dislike Berlin and fell in love with it again after I moved to Sweden.

If you have questions, I have answers,

Peace

Nice testimonial.
I guess I wonder how "alternative" you have to be in Berlin though. Let's just say I'm a pretty normal and well rounded guy, and except for having swallowed the redpill, I'm not really into anything "alternative", I would definitely consider myself more classic (I love classic arts in general).

Please go on and tell me how much SF sucks these days, it makes me feel better with my choice

And what about BCN?

[kirdiesel]

(12-11-2016 05:17 PM)TheDealCloser Wrote:  

(12-07-2016 11:29 AM)Platon_ Wrote:  

Hey guys,
Just had several job opportunities in SF, Berlin, Barcelona.
Salaries are quite high for their countries respectively (except maybe SF where it's market rate, ~120k), all companies are working on very interesting projects that would push my career forward.
I'm a 30 single guy. SF is very interesting professionally but I've been there and I find the vibe a bit weird, plus I'd be considered low middle class even with a 6-figure salary and it's far from my European culture (I don't plan to settle down anytime soon, but if the opportunity happens, I don't see myself living in the Bay Area for a long time, or the US for that matter).
Barcelona looks like I'd be having a very nice life, although I wouldn't be saving as much as in SF obviously.
Berlin seems nice as well, but I haven't been there recenlty so it's hard to say.

I'd appreciate any advice from you guys!

The funny thing is I started to dislike Berlin and fell in love with it again after I moved to Sweden.

If you have questions, I have answers,

Peace

Preferred Berlin over Sweden? Unreal (Not that Ive been to Sweden to disagree with you)

Ive been to Berlin but wasnt blown away by quality.

So many mixed posts about Scandinavia on here... I wonder what the real deal is.

Anyone have a EXTENSIVE Sweden/Scandinavia datasheet... similar to my Germany sheet?

[Platon_]

(12-11-2016 02:21 PM)ThrustMaster Wrote:  

Barcelona hands down.

care to share more?

[Platon_]

Bumping for anyone having informatino, so far Barcelona has mostly positive feedback I guess that means something.

[Griprip08]

This probably won't help too much but I work in IT and just got a job offer in EU as well. I picked Berlin but my reasons weren't focused on pussy and game; more economical/financial and social related. Still, Berlin is a major hub in Europe, pussy will be abundant if you want it to be.

[utterbbq]

I don't really know salary wise, Barcelona might have the lowest salaries in general (unless you are working for one of the bigger IT-companies) but it is also definitely the cheapest place to live in.

As a digital nomad working remotely from Sweden I'm soon moving to Barcelona, next year. Looking forward to the warm weather, beaches, cheaper living and meeting international girls from all over the world (yes I know Catalan girls, no thanks).

My choice is easy Barcelona over Berlin. Berlin is still a great city though.

[GreenHills]

Skip SF unless you are ruthlessly ambitious, love to talk and think about money and if I suggest to you a dinner with a few venture capitalists on the table you get excited. SF can offer something to that kind of person. Do you value money and power the most? SF might propel you into that realm.

Do you like liberal ideas? Are you excited to be an ally to women and help with the cause of diversity and inclusion? (Ha ha).

For women ... you better like Asians. And some of them are a good deal actually. You can fuck whites of course, but they're not relationship material. Prepare to deal with the "professional woman" if you aim for that.

Get out of SF though or just go to the ocean and you'll find a lot of pleasant places.

That's why people asked who you are. There are people in SF that still think it's the best city on earth.