[Rudeman]

I was listening to a youtube podcast by Stefan Molyneux the other day. It was a discussion with an Ohio State student about the recent muslim stabbing attack. He touched on a bunch of redpill subjects, but there was something in particular he said about about how women can control men by ostracizing them and denying them sex. In particular how women do it over politics.

YOu can listen to it starting at the 10:40 point

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fpm9gpI6deI&t=1868s

Here are some key parts:

"Men need women's permission to reproduce... if you are a young man and women won't reproduce with you, how long do you think those genes lasted?"

"Not very long. Not at all."

"There's no functional difference genetically between women sexually ostracizing men and women driving over men in a car. Castrating them with a hack saw - its the same deal. No eggs means you're done"

"So, sexual ostracism from the part of women is the worst thing that can happen to a man. because it means the end of his genetics."

"So, men will conform to whatever women find morally compelling enough to ostracize. They'll just conform to it, and this is just the way men are wired, the way men are programmed"

"Men who didn't please women didn't have any children and those genes are so far in history, it's like the second protozoa gave up on that strategy"

"So people say 'where are the men?' Men are doing what men always do - Trying to get some eggs!"

"So here's what's going on - that women are sexually ostracizing men who aren't conforming with political correctness"

"And men have no defense against that, whatsoever."

"If women are going to ostracize us, if women aren't going to date us, we change out behaviour. Why? Because we are animals. We're mammals and there is no reproductive strategy that could ever be implemented in the absence of volunteer eggs"

"Women, a lot of young women in the west have been programmed to provide negative signals of sexual acceptance to men who don't conform to political correctness"

"In other words, the Left is cockblcoking the right" [LOL]

Basically, guys want sex with women. Women control access to sex. And women have been politically indoctrinated in PC culture and deny sex to guys who aren't PC.

And I have certainly seen a lot of guys suck up to women to get on their good sides to get in their pants. It's totally predictable and understandable even if it is a loser thing to do. But what it results in is men becoming politically correct just because so many women are.

The thing is, guys, like us, who are redpilled, get lots of pussy.

There are hordes of men out there bending to the political will of women just to get some, when guys like us who don't bend to their political will get far far less.

This hits home because this weekend, I got kissy with a girl I've been friends with for over a year and she invited herself home with me. She's liberal and knows I love Trump and when we were in bed before she stoppped me from taking off her panties said, "I hate your politics!". I'm sure its a disqualification for her, but I don't care because she was never LTR material anyways.

And today, some girl from online asked if I was Republican or Democrat, and I said more Republican than Democrat, I hate both parties, but I love Trump. She told me liking Trumo was a deal breaker. Oh, well. Next.

For me, it's no big deal. I got two new bangs since the weekend already. But for other guys who don't have game or who have a scarcity mentality when it comes to women I'm sure this negative feedback completely alters their outlook. How can it not.

A man's biological imperative to have sex and fulfill that mission to reproduce is job #1 after basic survival. MEn will jump through all sorts of hoops to get laid or get a hot woman and and having your potical outlook subconsiculy shifted is rather minor to other stuff guys do.

The thing is, these blue pilled politically correct guys are going down the path that will not lead them to the pussy paradise they seek.

It's actually us redpilled guys who have gone against the grain, against what our mothers told us to do to get a woman and against the feminist zeitgeist that have gotten the women.

If men will fundamentally change their political outlook to be able to get women (like politically correct guys do now) and we can show them that the redpill politically will get them there then we can free multitudes of men from political correctness and end the gynocracy.

[Baldwin81]

(12-01-2016 06:35 PM)Rudeman Wrote:  

If men will fundamentally change their political outlook to be able to get women (like politically correct guys do now) and we can show them that the redpill politically will get them there then we can free multitudes of men from political correctness and end the gynocracy.

A man who sees how well you're doing with women and has enough of an open-mind to try and find out Hey, what's that guy doing?...

That's the guy with whom you discuss the red pill.

Build credibility first, then educate.

If anything, the dude who's bragging about how often he gets laid will be looked at sideways by both red and blue pill people... oftentimes for good reason!

Add-on: While I donated to and voted for Trump in the primary and the general, I'd caution against viewing Trump and the red pill as one in the same. Yes, he's a very "red pill" candidate, but he's also another man. When it comes to seduction, are you trying to get laid or be President Trump's press secretary?

See what I mean?

With the "bragging about getting laid" you're telling rather than showing.

Getting too political pre-bang... you're there for the notch, not the political discussion. To lose a notch over political chat is to do the red pill in a very blue pill way.

^ This isn't to be harsh. The red pill doesn't preclude subtlety, playing the angles.

[Kamikaze]

Why are you talking about politics with a girl, especially pre-bang? So many responses.

Girl: "Are you Republican or Democrat?"

Me:
What's that?
Who's running for each again?
My whole family is Republican, I think, or Democrat, I'm not sure. So I'm whatever they are?
It's a secret.
Whatever you are not.
I wrote in Arnold Schwarzenegger.
I don't know. Your tits look juicy.
I'm not allowed to vote. I'm on parole.

And no, bragging won't do much. Sharp dudes eventually realize that girls don't like pussies, and that's what the left is guilty of, at least from the perspective of the right... the left is full of pussies.

[Rudeman]

(12-01-2016 06:44 PM)Baldwin81 Wrote:  

(12-01-2016 06:35 PM)Rudeman Wrote:  

If men will fundamentally change their political outlook to be able to get women (like politically correct guys do now) and we can show them that the redpill politically will get them there then we can free multitudes of men from political correctness and end the gynocracy.

A man who sees how well you're doing with women and has enough of an open-mind to try and find out Hey, what's that guy doing?...

That's the guy with whom you discuss the red pill.

Build credibility first, then educate.

If anything, the dude who's bragging about how often he gets laid will be looked at sideways by both red and blue pill people... oftentimes for good reason!

Add-on: While I donated to and voted for Trump in the primary and the general, I'd caution against viewing Trump and the red pill as one in the same. Yes, he's a very "red pill" candidate, but he's also another man. When it comes to seduction, are you trying to get laid or be President Trump's press secretary?

See what I mean?

With the "bragging about getting laid" you're telling rather than showing.

Getting too political pre-bang... you're there for the notch, not the political discussion. To lose a notch over political chat is to do the red pill in a very blue pill way.

^ This isn't to be harsh. The red pill doesn't preclude subtlety, playing the angles.

I agree with the downside of bragging about getting laid. I occasionally share some sex escapades with friends. But, like a lot of men I try to keep it discrete. This forum is one of the places where a lot of guys can be open about being successful with women, even though ironically being successful with women is something most guys want. We have to talk about our success in secret.

And that's the problem for turning blue pilled guys into red pilled guys. If they can't see the success you can have by not buying into a girl's frame, they may never know.

Roosh has shared his success and failures with women very openly in his books. And that's gotten him a lot of hate. But it's also red-pilled a lot of guys.

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Getting too political pre-bang... you're there for the notch, not the political discussion. To lose a notch over political chat is to do the red pill in a very blue pill way.

I agree 100%. One of the girls I'd known for almost 2 years and politics had come up before. I've gotten over hiding or mellowing out my political views so I don't ruffle feathers. And I wasn't trying to get in her pants either. She is super liberal and would bring up politics. So when she would do stuff like ask me about what I thought about abortion, I'd just give her my thoughts, "It's messed up but practical. Don't think it should be illegal". That wasn't PC enough for her and then she told me about the abortion she had and tried to frame it like I was judging her ( I laughed it off). And then she asked what I thought about how Trump may be defunding Planned Parenthood and I told her I didn't care, which really pissed her off. And then she still went home with me the next weekend even though I wasn't trying to get her into bed. Lol.

The other girl direct asked me about politics. I'm all for avoiding politics to not mess up a date, bang or a social event. But if someone asks me point blank, I'm not going to lie. Especially if some girl has an automatic disqualification for a guy being a Trump supporter. That's super bitchy and a huge red flag. No thanks.

[Paracelsus]

If there's anything you should be publicising to to bluepill men who are still getting their dicks squeezed by Hillary Clinton in effect, it should be to promote an abundance mentality.

It's not the bragging about banging lots of women that makes a man think.

What makes a man think, after watching his sharp-looking buddy getting knocked back by a woman with a I'm With Her -> T-shirt under which are hiding a pair of DDs, is when his sharp-looking buddy shrugs and moves onto the next one without the slightest hint of desperation or indication of regret over sunk cost.

A man's attitude has to change along with his body if he wants to get laid on a consistent basis.

The pussy has as much power over a man that he gives it. Women are the gatekeepers of sex, but a gate is worthless if other fences are all around to be tried. Notice that high-priced prostitutes often whinge when an influx of lower-priced foreign hookers are flown into an area by the Mob/Mexico/Saudi Arabia. This has nothing to do with compassion for "exploited" girls: it is solely about the fact the foreigners represent a larger supply and put pressure on the "high" part of the high-priced prostitutes. A man who gives off the vibe of having options, above all, is a man that a woman cannot control. And woman desire what they cannot control; thus why women prefer cats and bull terriers, not labrador retrievers.

Abundance mentality changes everything in a man's life. I would say it has the potential to affect a man's life moreso than taking the red pill does.

[SlickyBoy]

^Care to elaborate on the bull terriers versus labradors analogy? I always thought bull terriers (or any kind of terrier, really) were a real handful to control. Labs tend to be much more amicable and even docile by comparison.


And no, OP, the last thing you want to be doing is bragging about pussy. Usually the guys who brag the most actually score the least.

[Paracelsus]

(12-01-2016 08:36 PM)SlickyBoy Wrote:  

^Care to elaborate on the bull terriers versus labradors analogy? I always thought bull terriers (or any kind of terrier, really) were a real handful to control. Labs tend to be much more amicable and even docile by comparison.

That's precisely the point: bull terriers are difficult if not impossible to control. Hence women are drawn to them. Cats, similarly, cannot be controlled: I've said elsewhere that a cat's general emotional indifference to its owner makes the most hardened player look like Romeo Montague. Cats are only affectionate when they want something, and if allowed outside, they stray happily from one house to the next.

[Silver_Tube]

I don't think we can convert people to the light without living our lives in an exemplary way such that they ask for help. Preaching the pill is doomed to fail until they are receptive. There are guys in my life I want to help, even asked Roosh how at the DC conference last year. We do need to turn more but that means being happier, more successful and influential ourselves.There isn't any good way to proselytize.

Many southern girls are conservative, I never had one resist due to sjw politics, but I don't talk about it with them much. I do see the demographic concern but they seem to like redpill men way better than the others, or else we wouldn't be here talking as we are. Ours is the successful strategy.

[LeoneVolpe]

Win the argument through actions, never by argument. If you set a good example, others will want to follow your lead. If you brag about your successes without proof, you'll either be doubted or written off as a braggart.

[Conquerer7]

Don't talk about Politics with girls. Same with jobs, school etc. There is no need. Why on a date/night out would you talk with a girl about 'boring' things that turn on their logical brain. Whatever your politics are you should be having fun with them and capturing their emotional brain.

[Easy_C]

If you're trying to persuade men.

Yes and no. Yes you absolutely should find ways of making it clear that you're a winner, and that winners think the way you do. Scott Adams persuasion philosophy 101.

That doesn't mean you should brag directly because doing so comes off the opposite. Show, don't tell.

[XPQ22]

Up here in cucked Boston it seems if you have a circle of college-educated male friends/acquaintances, letting it slip in even the mildest fashion that you get laid without being an intersectional feminist or without the type of orbiting, drama, and perpetual heartbreak that most blue-pill men seem to go through will get you wrecked.

Even suggesting that these guys should just suck up their fears and move on a girl they aren't sure about, without worrying too much about what might happen or anyone thinks is way too much for them to handle. "You...you what? You asked for a girl's number in Starbucks? Oh my God. I can't believe you. You're the reason so many women are terrified of rape etc. etc."

They're so deep in the hole not even a Chunnel boring machine could get them out, and many probably don't want to be saved. The feminist narrative gives them a perfect rationalization for their own insecurity, and lets them believe that their own unhappiness is actually their fault - that they deserve it.

The unfortunate thing is that I've known a couple guys who were at least outwardly blue-pill who did really good with chicks, bragged about it, while also virtue-signalling to anyone who would listen online or off about their feminist beliefs. And a lot of guys bought into it. From an "insiders perspective" though I see that the reason these guys are doing fairly good while also nominally buying into the feminist "rape culture" narrative is that, to a one, they were all running what we'd call "big baller/fame/enormous social circle" game; they were to a one fairly well known DJs, club owners, musicians, promoters, coke dealers, and so on. I don't think the male members of the fan club notice that it's simply not going to work for the "average" guy.

[Rudeman]

(12-01-2016 11:22 PM)LeoneVolpe Wrote:  

Win the argument through actions, never by argument. If you set a good example, others will want to follow your lead. If you brag about your successes without proof, you'll either be doubted or written off as a braggart.

I think guys like Mike Cernovich, traveling around the world and being able to do whatever he loves is great.

Same thing with Scott Adams and that hot young girlfriend of his. Adams has pissed off so many people with his political analysis that his very lucrative speaking engagements have completely dried up. But he's still a multimillionaire having the time of his life with a hot young thing on his arms.

They are both big users of social media and use that to show the kind of lives they are living without the bragging part.

For me, personally, I don't really share my life so much on social media. I'm also not kicking ass at their levels yet. Maybe that'll be a goal of mine. Political troll/lifestyle social media.

For all the guys who are saying don't bring up politics because it might not get you laid are falling into the exact trap that Stefan Molyneux was talking about. No doubt that on an individual level you are optimizing your chances to get in a girls pants. But on a societal level you just are reinforcing the gynocracy that so many men here rightfully complain about.

I'm in my 40's. Roosh, and a lot of others guys as they get older see the pursuit of the bang as not a primary driver in life. I can understand that younger guys want to hide who they are to get the bang, but at my age and with the pussy I already get, IDGAF about blowing up my chances with a libtard female. In fact I enjoy doing it in grand fashion. Feels great to reject a girl because of her messed up politics.

And even more true is that is doesn't even necessarily lose you the bang (negging her (on politics) and being outrageously confident (in your own views) can be attractive to women- who would've thought? Oh, that's right, guys who know game). Maybe I'll post something in the Just Had Sex thread about last Friday night.