[John_Galt]

People don't normally feel guilty if they know they did nothing to feel guilty about.

I give people the benefit of the doubt, and assume they have good instincts. Maybe I'm wrong sometimes, but usually their gut is right.

I definitely did not intend to "shame" him though, so if that's how it came across, I apologize.

[Dalaran1991]

Damn it, I can imagine a WIA being royally pissed.

No you should not feel guilty, but you should not let a girl know about your dealing with other girls either.

People always forget that, banging chicks must stay inside the boundaries of secrets society: thread-53441-page-5.html

It's one thing if you dont care, but since you asked this question that means you do care.

A girl should always have an inkling/suspicion that she's not the only one on your mind, but you should never confirm her fear. Not only does this give her a direct venue to vent her frustration on (like in the OP), it also kills all your aura of mystery, which is necessary for the real player lifestyle.

Not to mention that "hell hath no fury..." shit. If this girl is mentally unstable (most are) and truly obsessed about you, dont discount the possibility of her trying to ruin your life.

Your business with a girl should be strictly between you two alone. Even then, the most succesful guy I know, he played it such as, after repeated bangs, the girl is still asking herself "Did I actually sleep with him?" I didnt see the point of this back at the time, now its all clear.

It gives you invulnerability to go bang other girls, in secret, and protect yourself from payback from both scorned chicks and angry betas.

You might play the social proof game with one chick hanging off each of your arm, but the fornication itself should still be under the name of discretion.

[XPQ22]

Why I don't really feel guilty: because there's no such thing as a "single" young Western woman who's in any way sexually active, in the modern era.

You realize this pretty quick when you spend any time meeting up with girls from OKCupid or Tinder. They text you their number and they all come into the meet acting like they're brand new, just looking for that special someone to fill that place in their life. If she likes you, she'll probably keep her phone in her purse most of the night to give the impression that you're the foremost thought in her mind.

It's all a load of bunkum, pal. There are always other dudes. Even if she likes you and it "works out", do you think she's going to stop hitting up those other guys in the first couple weeks or months when you're still an unknown quantity? Hell no she isn't.

And she'll still be in touch with them from time to time while you're "exclusive", if you choose to do that.

And when she gets tired of you, or you're ambivalent about giving your commitment, she'll be back to playing the options again surely as night follows day.

And sometimes you're the guy she's texting out of the blue, and sometimes you're the guy who's out with his friends while she's texting someone else out of the blue. I think most of us have played the parts at one time or another; if you bang enough women it would be hard for it to be any different.

So while a guy may feel guilty for gaming women, keep in mind that they're always gaming you - first, middle, last. I guess it's up to you how deeply you want to stare into the abyss before you become uncomfortable.

For my part the way that I deal with it is that even though the outline seems cynical, I try to give some girls the benefit of the doubt and play it straight. If I get my heart broken by "girl game", then that's the breaks and I try to accept it as just a "cost of doing business" of having relationships with modern women without becoming a straight-up sociopath. I never signed off on any contract anywhere that stated that I'd be immune to unpleasantness and pain in my life.

(11-07-2016 01:58 AM)Filbert Wrote:  

I would feel guilty if I suddenly realize they are seeking a provider. If this is the case I would try to end it, as I don't want to waste her time.

Well, many are looking for both, but assuming she's somehow a 100% provider-hunter...

You feel guilty about gaming a girl who's essentially gone all-in on reducing her pussy to a commodity?At least sluts generally do it for "love", not cash! The only guilt I would feel is that I didn't pull the eject lever faster and wasted my own time - I couldn't care less about hers in that situation.

[Ezio31]

Nah. We're forces of nature. The betas pedestalise women, we debase them. They friend zone and blue ball men without remorse, and feel upset for being gamed? Hypocrisy.

[DJ-Matt]

I would feel guilty about ONS with a virgin, but sluts? Fuck 'em.

[WestIndianArchie]

I feel guilty for not talking to them.

There is so much pussy that goes unpounded night after night.

It's a crime really

WIA

[Gpx90210]

"There is so much pussy that goes unpounded night after night."

This. Plenty to go around. Especially considering most guys are pussies.

[LeoneVolpe]

Why would I feel guilty for gaming chicks? Someone's dick's going to get wet, might as well be mine, right?

[brick tamland]

Thread title is somewhat ambiguous. I think OP felt some guilt about causing the girl's hurt reaction.

As for actually gaming chicks, no there shouldn't be any guilt felt, ever. Any man who has been on the receiving of chicks' machinations, will know that you would rather game them, than the other way around.

[subterfuge]

(11-08-2016 06:18 AM)brick tamland Wrote:  

Thread title is somewhat ambiguous.

Same.

I mean, I understand feeling guilty for not calling a girl again or something, but for actually 'gaming' someone? It's not as though 'game' is like some sort of date rape or jedi mind trick!
You can't 'make' her like you no matter how good you think your game is. She'd have to think you were somewhat hot without you even speaking to her.

One hasn't done anything wrong in showing confidence and being funny and touchy (or however you define 'game')

[Kaii]

I never feel guilty for working inside a system that has been stacked against me. After all, adapt or die, right? Morals play no role in my seduction of women.

[Gpx90210]

These are some really good responses guys. I love hearing your prespectives. It helps me think of the situation outside the box.

[younggun]

Don't be a dick but be unapologetic as well. You'll know you've reached the right calibration when girls start apologizing to you

[Mayweather]

There have been times when I've felt guilty. I've gotten in my head like , maybe i should just be 'myself'. Maybe i should 'share' more. 'Open up' to her. Maybe I should tone it down or reply to texts faster so she doesn't have to wait.

Then I wonder,

Would she ever apologize for her natural advantages? Would she try to make herself less pretty to make me feel comfortable? Would society feel bad for castrating men all over the globe? Does society feel bad about weaponizing identity politics to destroy families & relationships? Do the social engineers feel responsible for financially ruining men and creating a system that rips their children from them?

Game made it clearer than ever to me that men and women are opposing forces in life. It's a push pull thats necessary. With more masculine (empowered) women, smoother game and more aggressive cave man game becomes more and more necessary to correct a corrupted female or else you end up just becoming another dead number to her. When I first started I may have felt guilty but now? Fuck nah. NO. Nope.

Game saved me from a lot of costly decision and my decision to 'game' select women allows me to manage my most important resource which is my time. Women are the market/stock, and my time, along with my efforts, are my capital. Gaming allows you to know where and how you get the best return on your capital. I could never apologize for that.

[BigL]

Years and years of social conditioning has made you like that. You are conditioned probably by your mother/media/society.

Women are psychologically more stronger then us and can take brake-up a lot easier then men. They are also ruthless. You can't see that but she was probably ruthless to some guys before you.

Stop feeling guilty. Or someone else will.

[the high]

(11-07-2016 12:15 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I feel guilty for not talking to them.

There is so much pussy that goes unpounded night after night.

It's a crime really

WIA

This is what I thought the thread was originally about.

This is a bit of a tangent but, you're actually doing a disservice to women by not talking to them. By talking to her you're giving her an opportunity to interact with a cool dude. Women are for most part incapable of moving things forward. So you're not just doing for yourself you're doing it for her too.

When I think of some of the fulfilling relationships I've had, I realize these wouldn't have happened if I had bitched out and didn't make things happen. Then I realize all the times I did bitch out and potential memories I missed out on, when opportunity arises, I can't afford not to go for it.

[General Stalin]

If you aren't intentionally fooling a woman into a false scenario, then one should not feel guilty.

That said, I have felt guilty a few times in my life with girls crying at the foot of my bed, being upset at me over the phone when I told them I don't want to see them anymore, etc. No one wants to see a girl cry and pity herself. Ultimately it was not my responsibility to tell them how to feel. I did my part to not lead them astray and deliberately promote a false idea that I was going to be "their man." When asked about what I'm looking for or where a relationship is headed, I'm always honest and let them decide how they want to carry on.

I feel guilty if/when I lie to girls. I'm not a good liar and it pains me to do so, but sometimes it is necessary prevent making a girl feel like shit for no reason.

[Cage]

I don't know about guilty for gaming but if I have a steady and I cheat on her, I'd feel guilty about it. Don't know if that counts as game.

[Cage]

(11-09-2016 01:03 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

If you aren't intentionally fooling a woman into a false scenario, then one should not feel guilty.

Hi,

Isn't this the essence of gaming ?

[Nox7]

I look at it like practice for marriage. Figure out what works for you, tone it down, control your energy. You can't be in game mode your entire life, and I treat it like an exercise in developing social skills that just happen to extend to the opposite sex. For the most part, I don't feel the need to prove thyself.

[Filbert]

(11-08-2016 05:27 PM)BigL Wrote:  

Women are psychologically more stronger then us

I've read that the reason for women being psychologically stronger is that they do not lose energy during sex, unlike men.
If a man loses sperm more than once a month, he is automatically weaker psychologically than a woman. Maybe this is the reasoning behind some eastern martial arts focusing on preserving your jizz to attain to greater mastery.

[elRey]

Funny enough every girl who has had their heart broken by me I have never slept with. Funny enough they were good friends (I thought) who misperceived my intentions.

Most girls I chased hard gave zero fucks about me.

You either fuck or get fucked in life.

If you are chasing a girl, don't feel bad about it, they don't care about you. The less you chase, and the more they come is when you have to worry about their feelings.

I think if a girl is a good, sweet girl, treat her gently. You will be happy you did.

[General Stalin]

@cage

Tricking girls into sleeping with you is the antithesis of game.

[subterfuge]

(11-09-2016 08:42 PM)Cage Wrote:  

I don't know about guilty for gaming but if I have a steady and I cheat on her, I'd feel guilty about it. Don't know if that counts as game.

What is 'running game' to you?

I fail to see how one can feel guilty for 'running game' on someone, but then, maybe we all have different definitions of what 'game' actually is.

If there was a magic way to make every girl want to sleep with you, using some special secret sentence or mind trick, then I could understand the guilt to some degree, but I think it's only those selling courses and stuff who would ever claim that that was possible.

So yeah, what is 'running game' in your opinion?

[realologist]

Why should anyone feel guilty for running game?

You are giving these girls exactly what they want. If they didn't, they wouldn't cooperate.

Let them know your intentions. You won't holding them hostage. You won't be doing magic seduction tricks. They can leave if they want. What's to feel bad about that?