[Roosh]

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The impression everyone gives if that you go to Scandinavia is that 5'6" after reading the Game and Mystery Method and you'll be pulling blonde blue eyed 9s and 10s.

Link to even one guy saying that?

I'll save you the time: no one even insinuated it. It looks like your projecting your anti-game beliefs where you think looks and height are the most important factors in getting laid in your country.

I know Denmark is different than Sweden in minor ways, but I didn't get the impression that height factors there more than anywhere else. If anything, looks and social circle were the main tools that local guys were using to get into relationships (not necessarily the fast sex that guys here prefer).

I will say that with adjustments, game can be just as deadly in Scandinavia as in the United States. Just because YOU aren't getting laid with 9s and 10s easily doesn't mean that other guys aren't.

That's a big fallacy I've discussed here before. Guys try their all in a certain location, don't get results, and then assume that it's hard for guys or all backgrounds and races. I think that's what you're doing.

[rudebwoy]

(08-09-2011 06:02 PM)beta_plus Wrote:  

(08-09-2011 04:42 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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One thing that is hard not to notice with Scandos is that they will not tolerate any criticism of their societies from other people.

That is accurate.

Now I'm not sure if beta_plus is trolling or really believes you need to be over 6'3.5 to get laid.

I should have chosen my words better when it came to getting laid. The impression everyone gives if that you go to Scandinavia is that 5'6" after reading the Game and Mystery Method and you'll be pulling blonde blue eyed 9s and 10s. It simply isn't like that. You will need very good game. Will you get laid? Yeah, probably. But you probably won't be too happy who are getting either. I've never seen in my travels there guys under 6'4" pulling 9s and 10s (and I've been there over 20 times - lost count a long time ago). And most of the really tall guys I saw were with 6s and 7s. Frankly, the only judgement of Scandinavia pick up scene that I'm willing to trust on this forum is Roosh's. His is the only one that corresponds to what I've seen. Others high praise simply does not reflect reality - I deeply suspect important details are being left out.

I stand fully behind my charges of racism, however, especially when it comes to employment. I've had to hold too many hands of people with advanced degrees who married Danish spouses and were hit on both sides by not being able to be hired for anything and sky high cost of living and taxes. I've met too many people who worked for Scandinavian multinationals who thought they would be so much more progressive than evil American companies only to leave in disgust. The might enjoy you as a guest, but don't stick around if you don't have the right skin color.

The original poster will be sacrificing some pretty incredible professional opportunities in Singapore if he goes to Sweden. I hope for his sake the girls are worth it.

As for those who think I'm trying to "scare" people from Scandinavia, it couldn't be farther from the truth. They're all yours - please take them. My next European trip will be to Poland, Hungary, and Bulgaria.

More drivel coming out of your mouth. You are backpedaling hard from your earlier statements. Being 5 feet 6 would be hard to pickup girls in most places although I am NOT saying impossible.

How ludicrous is your statement that you have NEVER seen guys under 6 feet 4 pull hot girls, are you saying ALL the hotties only date guys above that height?? That is straight BS, the biggest "playa" I saw there was shorter than me but was very aggressive, which I notice swedish guys are not.

The only thing I would say that the people are very trendy and stylish, if you are not like that then you might look elsewhere. Again I will state that the women can be choosy, but they seemed to like my look. (I can throw on the labels when need be.)
Stockholm is also a very pricey getaway to say the least, for us North Americans I believe beer works out to $10 a pop in a bar.

Now back to the original question, Singapore is very conservative I understand. Apparently you will get a fine for spitting or throwing gum on the sidewalk!! I know it is a good spot for Finance but Sweden would be my choice.

I will also state that the Swedes have a understated racist view of foreigners, not that I ever experienced it first hand like other places. A girl there did tell me that they refer to foreigners as "blackheads", but I am thick skinned and only passing through. I would still like to spend time there but Canada is still an overall better place to live.

[OSL]

You can definitely get laid like a rock star in Singapore dude. Hot chicks from the entire region and world are over there. Europeans and SE Asian chicks all over the place.

Booze is expensive there since it's taxed pretty heavily. Cheaper than what you would pay in Sweden, though.

If women/partying is not your highest priority then I would suggest you go with what is best for your career.

For the majority of careers I would also gently nudge you in the direction of Singapore. However, I"m unfamiliar with design. How long would you be going there, a semester?

[Hooligan Harry]

Way too much is being made about height here. Im only 5'9 and I have done ok in Scandinavia. I do ok everywhere. I have not been back in 8 or 9 years, but I dont see any reason why this would have changed.

Look we know that chicks prefer men to be taller than them. I also prefer chicks with great tits who can pass the pencil test and I prefer it when they can suck a golf ball through a hosepipe. What I prefer and what I get all the time are not always the same thing. I have banged quite a few women who were taller than me (two pillows under the knees guys, its my party trick with the tall bishes) and height is really not a problem at all unless its a problem for you all the time.

Besides, its not like all the women in Sweden are 6 foot Amazonian like warriors. There are tons of women that are of average height.

Shorter guys need to stop using it as an excuse.

As for the choice between Sweden and Singapore?

If I was working already, I would say Singapore in a heartbeat. Good location, lots of opportunity and a great place to be a professional. Its warm too. As a student though, Sweden hands down. Better travel options as a student for one, but also a better student life in Sweden than Singapore. Singapore does not really have much to do if you are not a professional IMO.

In a nutshell, Singapore offers the better professional life, Sweden offers a better student life.

[beta_plus]

(08-09-2011 07:05 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

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The impression everyone gives if that you go to Scandinavia is that 5'6" after reading the Game and Mystery Method and you'll be pulling blonde blue eyed 9s and 10s.

Link to even one guy saying that?

I'll save you the time: no one even insinuated it. It looks like your projecting your anti-game beliefs where you think looks and height are the most important factors in getting laid in your country.

I know Denmark is different than Sweden in minor ways, but I didn't get the impression that height factors there more than anywhere else. If anything, looks and social circle were the main tools that local guys were using to get into relationships (not necessarily the fast sex that guys here prefer).

I will say that with adjustments, game can be just as deadly in Scandinavia as in the United States. Just because YOU aren't getting laid with 9s and 10s easily doesn't mean that other guys aren't.

That's a big fallacy I've discussed here before. Guys try their all in a certain location, don't get results, and then assume that it's hard for guys or all backgrounds and races. I think that's what you're doing.

Ok, fair enough for the most part, but you still must have a solid foundation in game to get anywhere worthwhile in Scandinavia. No, I did not say it right the first time. I'd had a bad day and went into hyperbole. For that I apologize to you and anyone else reading this. Mea Culpa and all that, I won't make that mistake here again. For the record, I'm very pro-game (I'm not some anti-game troll - I've bought both editions of Bang for christ sakes and tell all my former lair friends they need to read it - I've even given a copy as a gift), but at the same time I maintain that you are always playing a numbers game like Poker, and the odds for that game do change on your location in the world and average male height does play into it at least somewhat. I simply cannot ignore the difference between how women treat me in Toronto and Copenhagen versus the NYC-DC corridor with no effort on my part (for full disclosure, I'm 5'11"). Can this be overcome? Of course, I've done it. But it is more work.

I'm sorry, but my experience with Scandinavia simply hears too many gaps in the stories that I read here about Scandinavia except for you - you're own busted dudes hypothesis puts Denmark at a rock bottom 1 - maybe Sweden is a 2. Persistence and practice are essential to have success there. Yes, game pays off there. Those with really good game will get over the height thing - hell, my cousin from Northern Denmark is one of them. He's about 5'7". But he's a "natural" (I know there are no real naturals - not sure how he got the knack) and very unusual for the region - extremely extroverted and gifted at handling people. He's dated gorgeous Danish women - absolute 10s. Before anyone goes ballistic, again, I'm sorry about using hyperbole earlier.

That said, a short nerdy Beta with a cursory knowledge of game is in for a miserable time in Scandinavia.

But ultimately the question of this thread was professional opportunities versus sexual. This guy is getting what sounds like a pretty sweet scholarship. Maybe he got it on pure merit - it does happen. But if he even needed recs from profs or former internship supervisors, he's making a gamble than Sweden will reward him more sexually than he'll lose in goodwill from the people who went to bat for him by turning down Singapore. I'm just not sure that's a good choice, especially if he has to put in very long hours for people who may end up not treating him very well and doesn't have much time to game. While we can fight over Scandinavia's sexual opportunities, Singapore's professional opportunities, especially for those who are not white, leave it in the dust.

[skulled]

You've done a lot of back pedaling from your original posts, but that's fine. The problem is even now you are posting some rather questionable stuff.

beta_plus Wrote:

I maintain that you are always playing a numbers game like Poker, and the odds for that game do change on your location in the world and average male height does play into it at least somewhat. I simply cannot ignore the difference between how women treat me in Toronto and Copenhagen versus the NYC-DC corridor with no effort on my part (for full disclosure, I'm 5'11"). Can this be overcome? Of course, I've done it. But it is more work.

No one is arguing that height is an asset, but it does not have to be a cripple. I am 5'11" as well, and unfortunately I do not see the basis of judgement on why guys around that height are going to suffer in Scandinavia.

There are always going to be girls anywhere in the world who have a preference for taller men, but there is nothing one can do about that kind of a preference. So the problem is not specific to Scandinavia. I haven't been to Denmark which is what you are predominantly basing your arguments on, so perhaps it is different in Denmark. But as far as Sweden is concerned I really didn't see the importance of height that you are giving while I was there.

To top it off, the girls themselves aren't necessarily always that tall either. Yes, they were probably bit more taller than average when compared to other countries. But it is not like the girls in Sweden were predominantly in the range of 5'10" and above that they were hell bent on guys who were taller than them.

beta_plus Wrote:

I'm sorry, but my experience with Scandinavia simply hears too many gaps in the stories that I read here about Scandinavia except for you - you're own busted dudes hypothesis puts Denmark at a rock bottom 1 - maybe Sweden is a 2. Persistence and practice are essential to have success there. Yes, game pays off there. Those with really good game will get over the height thing - hell, my cousin from Northern Denmark is one of them. He's about 5'7". But he's a "natural" (I know there are no real naturals - not sure how he got the knack) and very unusual for the region - extremely extroverted and gifted at handling people. He's dated gorgeous Danish women - absolute 10s. Before anyone goes ballistic, again, I'm sorry about using hyperbole earlier.

Not really sure what point you are trying to make with the above. So first you post a bunch of times saying if you are less than 6'3" or 6'5" you are going to have no luck in Sweden, and then you post that a guy who was 5'7" killed it with 10's.

Natural or not, so as long as someone has the abilities to pull they should be able to pull. So perhaps that is the point you should driven home rather than present it so that height was such a crucial factor.

beta_plus Wrote:

That said, a short nerdy Beta with a cursory knowledge of game is in for a miserable time in Scandinavia.

As opposed to somewhere else, where being a short nerdy beta is an advantage?!

A guy will face problems anywhere in the world if he is a short nerdy beta. Yes he might get laid in some places, but I doubt he is going to get laid with 9's and 10's anywhere in the world.

It is not easy to pull 9's and 10's anywhere in the world. Yes it becomes easier and automatic/natural as you progress and have experience and skill. So in those terms, Sweden is no different if you think about it.

beta_plus Wrote:

But ultimately the question of this thread was professional opportunities versus sexual. This guy is getting what sounds like a pretty sweet scholarship. Maybe he got it on pure merit - it does happen. But if he even needed recs from profs or former internship supervisors, he's making a gamble than Sweden will reward him more sexually than he'll lose in goodwill from the people who went to bat for him by turning down Singapore. I'm just not sure that's a good choice, especially if he has to put in very long hours for people who may end up not treating him very well and doesn't have much time to game. While we can fight over Scandinavia's sexual opportunities, Singapore's professional opportunities, especially for those who are not white, leave it in the dust.

When it comes down to professional aspects, yes you are right. But again the problem with professional opportunities is not confined to just Sweden if you are not from there. Similar kind of problems exist in other European countries as well like Luckystar pointed out.

So in the sense, yes Singapore might come out a winner against Sweden. But the whole problem is that you are exaggerating a bunch of things about Sweden when it comes down to women.

You probably haven't had much luck or had a miserable time in your time in Sweden, but that is not necessarily the basis to post stretched facts.

[Vicious]

On the other hand I think beta plus is right. Guys with game should stay away from Swe. Don't come here!

[Roosh]

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That said, a short nerdy Beta with a cursory knowledge of game is in for a miserable time in Scandinavia.

A truism for just about the entire world, is it not?

[rudebwoy]

Beta-plus - I will agree with you on one thing, you would have alot easier time with women in Toronto. If you have the basic swedish "model" look and sense of style then you are grooving here. Trouble is not men swedish men travel to these parts, I suspect they prefer staying home.
I know everyone likes to state that you need game in certain areas, but I honestly think the game needed can vary on the person visiting the place. I mean I have seen english guys come here and have a great time, my cousin came here from the UK and girls were almost on there knees. Point being the english accent carries alot of weight here.
In Sweden I was in a deep conversation with a girl with her boyfriend right beside her, she did not introduce me and when I asked her response was "that she knew him from high school" whilst rolling her eyes. I have never seen such disrespect from a girl towards her man, the funny thing she returned to the same club the next night sans boyfriend. I agree with Roosh, social circle is big there.

[Laner]

(08-09-2011 08:57 PM)Hooligan Harry Wrote:  

Way too much is being made about height here. Im only 5'9 and I have done ok in Scandinavia. I do ok everywhere. I have not been back in 8 or 9 years, but I dont see any reason why this would have changed.

Look we know that chicks prefer men to be taller than them. I also prefer chicks with great tits who can pass the pencil test and I prefer it when they can suck a golf ball through a hosepipe. What I prefer and what I get all the time are not always the same thing. I have banged quite a few women who were taller than me (two pillows under the knees guys, its my party trick with the tall bishes) and height is really not a problem at all unless its a problem for you all the time.

Besides, its not like all the women in Sweden are 6 foot Amazonian like warriors. There are tons of women that are of average height.

Shorter guys need to stop using it as an excuse.

As for the choice between Sweden and Singapore?

If I was working already, I would say Singapore in a heartbeat. Good location, lots of opportunity and a great place to be a professional. Its warm too. As a student though, Sweden hands down. Better travel options as a student for one, but also a better student life in Sweden than Singapore. Singapore does not really have much to do if you are not a professional IMO.

In a nutshell, Singapore offers the better professional life, Sweden offers a better student life.

This is a lot like I feel, actually. Singapore is a good choice for the professional aspect, but if I remember correctly I had a hard time escalating with girls when I was there. I remember KL being much easier.

I find it interesting that Sweden is such a hot topic of debate on these boards. I understand that a lot of us here have probably grown up thinking that Sweden is the motherlode of blonde babes. I think that the fact that it is such a debate means that there is something still about the place that demands some attention.
I have a Swedish friend in Lund, so I hope to have some social proof through him.

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But ultimately the question of this thread was professional opportunities versus sexual. This guy is getting what sounds like a pretty sweet scholarship. Maybe he got it on pure merit - it does happen. But if he even needed recs from profs or former internship supervisors, he's making a gamble than Sweden will reward him more sexually than he'll lose in goodwill from the people who went to bat for him by turning down Singapore. I'm just not sure that's a good choice, especially if he has to put in very long hours for people who may end up not treating him very well and doesn't have much time to game. While we can fight over Scandinavia's sexual opportunities, Singapore's professional opportunities, especially for those who are not white, leave it in the dust.

Good point. This kind of thing does not happen too often, therefore I have to acknowledge those who are making this happen. I know that NTU in Singapore has put a lot of pressure in making this happen, and have sent student ambassadors here to help make these types of arrangements work.
Having said that, the relationship with Lund is old and I am told that it is a great place to study, and the people are friendly. I wish I knew more about Singapore in this regard.

Someone that knows about Singapore please feel free to put some info down.