[JayGould]

I'm not that good in clubs or bars. I have a pretty good "game" outside of that. I've bagged about 100 girls from regular "dates", but only about 15 or so from clubs. These usually from being a caveman in my younger years. But "caveman" doesn't work for me anymore. Nor do I feel it's a particularly sophisticated way to act. I have already several cases of sexual assault on my record and I've spent countless nights trading punches with white knights or angry boyfriends, so I'm just not gonna do that anymore. I also want to stop embarrassing myself when going out with new people, business associates etc. Just be normal, laid back and sophisticated.

But I'm moving to a new city soon (Montreal) so thought I'd try the club game again. I have no confidence issues but I do feel like I can improve at least the first 2-5 minutes of the interaction. I feel like this is the most important part as well, at least for me. If I can just get that going in a good way, then the deal is done. Basically, I need to find a bridge between "Hello" and "Lets fuck".

So, is there a book out there that I could read or could someone please share some tips on like the first five things you can say/do to a woman in a bar to start it off on a good note? In the movies you watch those interesting conversations with some banter back and forth, how do they do that? I know it's a movie, but I want to start scripting some of that stuff. At least a few lines. After I say "How are you?" my mind goes blank.

[Rhyme or Reason]

Why do newbies always put "game" in quotes? I think that question answers itself and should point to your problem.

[JayGould]

(09-16-2016 03:37 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Why do newbies always put "game" in quotes? I think that question answers itself and should point to your problem.

I don't know why others do it but in my case I put "game" in quotes because I don't have anything scripted or premeditated. I just randomly talk. But maybe game means anything that comes out of one's mouth? If so then "game" should not be in quotes. Please advice on the correct definition.

[Rhyme or Reason]

(09-16-2016 03:40 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

(09-16-2016 03:37 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Why do newbies always put "game" in quotes? I think that question answers itself and should point to your problem.

I don't know why others do it but in my case I put "game" in quotes because I don't have anything scripted or premeditated. I just randomly talk. But maybe game means anything that comes out of one's mouth? If so then "game" should not be in quotes. Please advice on the correct definition.

Game isn't about being scripted. Unless you're into that RSD garbage.

[JayGould]

(09-16-2016 03:45 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

Game isn't about being scripted. Unless you're into that RSD garbage.

I don't know what that is. But ok, everything is game. Whatever I do I'm just pure game. Thanks.

But speaking of scripted game then, do you have any suggestions for some good resources? Maybe I'll make something up myself, but always good to have something for idea generation.

[Rhyme or Reason]

You probably just need to loosen up and learn to have more fun, rather than having a narrow focus. I know someone will probably come in here and call me a game denier for saying that. You've got the wrong Idea if you think you need more scripted "lines". Women see right through that shit, if you're relying on that you will fail every shit test which is probably what's really happening here.

[JayGould]

(09-16-2016 04:04 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

You probably just need to loosen up and learn to have more fun, rather than having a narrow focus. I know someone will probably come in here and call me a game denier for saying that. You've got the wrong Idea if you think you need more scripted "lines". Women see right through that shit, if you're relying on that you will fail every shit test which is probably what's really happening here.

Actually no I don't get "shit tests" because to me there is no such thing as a "test", just a bad attitude. If someone has a bad attitude with me, I put them in their place, man or woman. So I don't think about that shit. I think just phrasing something as "passing a shit test" is kinda lame, like you're a monkey or something. Like you're trying to prove your worth. People don't test me, I test them. That's how I see it.

But anyway... as someone who worked in Sales way back and got pretty good at it, I disagree. When I started scripting various answers to objections and various comebacks I started selling way more stuff. It doesn't get in my head, it gets automatic after a while.

[MKDAWUSS]

(09-16-2016 04:10 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

Actually no I don't get "shit tests" because to me there is no such thing as a "test", just a bad attitude.

Looking back, there were several of these that I received (and failed).

[Rhyme or Reason]

(09-16-2016 04:10 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

(09-16-2016 04:04 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

You probably just need to loosen up and learn to have more fun, rather than having a narrow focus. I know someone will probably come in here and call me a game denier for saying that. You've got the wrong Idea if you think you need more scripted "lines". Women see right through that shit, if you're relying on that you will fail every shit test which is probably what's really happening here.

Actually no I don't get "shit tests" because to me there is no such thing as a "test", just a bad attitude. If someone has a bad attitude with me, I put them in their place, man or woman. So I don't think about that shit. I think just phrasing something as "passing a shit test" is kinda lame, like you're a monkey or something. Like you're trying to prove your worth. People don't test me, I test them. That's how I see it.

But anyway... as someone who worked in Sales way back and got pretty good at it, I disagree. When I started scripting various answers to objections and various comebacks I started selling way more stuff. It doesn't get in my head, it gets automatic after a while.

You are wrong. You can look at it however you want. Women test men for mate fitness / alpha cred. It's a fact of life. Ignore this at your game peril. If you want to play the game to win, you have to know the rules and act accordingly. The world does not conform to your model of what you think it should be. Sorry to break the bad news.

[TornadoByProxy]

This and your poll do not require new threads on your first day.

Learn to use the search feature and read the forum rules. Montreal, approaching, and LDPD (Little Dark Personality Disorder) have all been covered.

RVF Rules Threads:

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thread-13005.html

[JayGould]

(09-16-2016 04:22 PM)Red_Pillage Wrote:  

You are wrong. You can look at it however you want. Women test men for mate fitness / alpha cred. It's a fact of life. Ignore this at your game peril. If you want to play the game to win, you have to know the rules and act accordingly. The world does not conform to your model of what you think it should be. Sorry to break the bad news.

I know they "test", I was just offering a different way to think about it. Of course they test me. I'm just not aware of it. I see a lot of guys worrying "Did I pass the test, did I fail?"... in fact I've never had that thought and I've never failed a shit test. Why? Because just acknowledging that a woman tested you and you tried to pass her test makes you a damn fag.

Just bought this book:
https://www.amazon.com/Conversation-Tact...nversation

Lets see if it's any good.

[AboveAverageJoe]

(09-16-2016 03:31 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

I'm not that good in clubs or bars. I have a pretty good "game" outside of that. I've bagged about 100 girls from regular "dates", but only about 15 or so from clubs. These usually from being a caveman in my younger years. But "caveman" doesn't work for me anymore. Nor do I feel it's a particularly sophisticated way to act. I have already several cases of sexual assault on my record and I've spent countless nights trading punches with white knights or angry boyfriends, so I'm just not gonna do that anymore. I also want to stop embarrassing myself when going out with new people, business associates etc. Just be normal, laid back and sophisticated.

What are you like a real, live, just-thawed from a glacier Caveman or something?
If you have several cases of sexual assault you are a registered sex offender and you are doing something seriously wrong.
One time, maybe, and it should be a learning experience.
But multiple sexual assault felonies?
WTF? We don't get down like that around here.

[XPQ22]

(09-16-2016 03:31 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

I've spent countless nights trading punches with white knights or angry boyfriends, so I'm just not gonna do that anymore. I also want to stop embarrassing myself when going out with new people, business associates etc. Just be normal, laid back and sophisticated.

Patient: "Doctor, it hurts when I do this!"

Doctor: "Well don't do that!"

That's a good start. But before we can give you tips on improving, I think you should tell us what you'e attempted on your own initiative, and how it worked out. As they say on homework help forums: you need to "show your work" first before giving you answers would make any sense.

Quote:

So, is there a book out there that I could read

Yes!

[GlobalMan]

(09-16-2016 03:31 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

I have already several cases of sexual assault on my record

I too have questions about this. What does this mean?

[JayGould]

AboveAverageJoe & XPQ22:


Sure, let me tell you about my game:

So I actually have three cases of sexual assault, but it isn't as bad as it sounds, because they all came in the same night. It was basically a night where I drank a ton of alcohol and felt like being a dick. I get like that when I drink, that's why I don't drink anymore. But anyway. The "assaults" were probably warranted as I walked around in the club, pulled down everyone's bras and skirts, took one girl, threw her in a couch and and just smeared my hands all over her pussy and tits. Like really brutally. I took my dick out and put it on her face etc. while everybody was watching. They were fighting back and saying "No, stop!" and I was just laughing like a maniac. I ended up in the newspaper and everything, it was hilarious.

But aside from that one night I am usually more restrained. But my game has usually just been about grabbing and making out with them on the spot. Or more recently I will just order bottle service and get a VIP table. Then I will just sit there and wave girls onto my table. That works way better of course, but I don't really have much to say to them after I get them to my table. If the girl is interesting, sure, but she rarely is. I have a hard time forcing a conversation, even with men. I am very sociable if I'm having a interesting conversation, but not otherwise.

The times when I end up fighting is usually cause I've been a dick to be honest. Either towards other guys or towards girls. Not just an asshole, but a serious asshole.

So all in all I'm trying to rebuild my game from the ground up. In the street I can walk up to a girl that I see is interested in me, and just talk normally. No big deal. That's just two people meeting each other, I have no trouble being charming there. But in a bar I feel like I want to at least step the conversation up a little bit. I don't just wanna come in and talk about what they do for work. And a street interaction may last for like 2-5 minutes before I take their phone number and leave, that's easy. But in a bar I may have to spend an hour talking to her and then try to take her home right away. I'm not that quick witted... I usually take time to think about stuff, I may take a few seconds of pause before I say something, and I speak quite slowly etc. It works great when meeting them 1-on-1, just not in a high energy environment when they're there with their girlfriends and the music is banging in the background.

So basically I'm trying to figure out how I can approach them, be somewhat interesting for a few minutes and that's it. I can take the rest from there.

[GlobalMan]

(09-16-2016 06:10 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

Sure, let me tell you about my game:

So I actually have three cases of sexual assault, but it isn't as bad as it sounds, because they all came in the same night. It was basically a night where I drank a ton of alcohol and felt like being a dick. I get like that when I drink, that's why I don't drink anymore. But anyway. The "assaults" were probably warranted as I walked around in the club, pulled down everyone's bras and skirts, took one girl, threw her in a couch and and just smeared my hands all over her pussy and tits. Like really brutally. I took my dick out and put it on her face etc. while everybody was watching. They were fighting back and saying "No, stop!" and I was just laughing like a maniac. I ended up in the newspaper and everything, it was hilarious.

[RexImperator]

[JayGould]

^ What I meant was, it was only one time and not on several occasions that I got deemed a sexual predator. We all have a bad day from time to time. I'm really just a normal guy, I just don't handle alcohol very well.

[AboveAverageJoe]

(09-16-2016 06:10 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

AboveAverageJoe & XPQ22:


Sure, let me tell you about my game:

So I actually have three cases of sexual assault, but it isn't as bad as it sounds, because they all came in the same night. It was basically a night where I drank a ton of alcohol and felt like being a dick. I get like that when I drink, that's why I don't drink anymore. But anyway. The "assaults" were probably warranted as I walked around in the club, pulled down everyone's bras and skirts, took one girl, threw her in a couch and and just smeared my hands all over her pussy and tits. Like really brutally. I took my dick out and put it on her face etc. while everybody was watching. They were fighting back and saying "No, stop!" and I was just laughing like a maniac. I ended up in the newspaper and everything, it was hilarious.

But aside from that one night I am usually more restrained. But my game has usually just been about grabbing and making out with them on the spot. Or more recently I will just order bottle service and get a VIP table. Then I will just sit there and wave girls onto my table. That works way better of course, but I don't really have much to say to them after I get them to my table. If the girl is interesting, sure, but she rarely is. I have a hard time forcing a conversation, even with men. I am very sociable if I'm having a interesting conversation, but not otherwise.

The times when I end up fighting is usually cause I've been a dick to be honest. Either towards other guys or towards girls. Not just an asshole, but a serious asshole.

I am confused. Are you a Godzilla Pimp or are you a trick, or both?
The cognitive dissonance makes me want to slap my own face.
You need a reality check, brah.
You must live places where you can get away with that shit.
Where I live the Judicial system will build a prison to put you under, and where I am from you do that to anyones kinfolk or family, you will be breathing blood if not dirt.

Wake the fuck up, man.
You don't need our help, you are like that one suicidal cat.
You need professional help.
Harambe isn't your spiritual animal is he?

[GlobalMan]

(09-16-2016 03:31 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

I'm not that good in clubs or bars. I have a pretty good "game" outside of that.

But yesterday-

(09-15-2016 07:41 AM)JayGould Wrote:  

Here's the thing: I don't date much. I almost only do escorts.

Which is it? You have "pretty good game" or do you mostly do hookers?

If you are able to talk to women outside of clubs, as you imply with saying "pretty good game", it shouldn't be such a struggle to converse with ladies in the club either, even though there are differences. Something doesn't add up in your story.

[XPQ22]

(09-16-2016 06:10 PM)JayGould Wrote:  

The "assaults" were probably warranted as I walked around in the club, pulled down everyone's bras and skirts, took one girl, threw her in a couch and and just smeared my hands all over her pussy and tits. Like really brutally. I took my dick out and put it on her face etc. while everybody was watching. They were fighting back and saying "No, stop!" and I was just laughing like a maniac. I ended up in the newspaper and everything, it was hilarious.

A weak white knight/feminist troll approaches! 12 posts isn't bad in the grand scheme of things, I guess, but you finally overplayed it. Trolls always do.



If there's a way to "donate" an orphan gold membership after "he's" banned, I'll be around.

[Geomann180]

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[GlobalMan]

People don't normally pay $20 to troll, I think he has genuine issues.

Between "almost only" doing P4P, and thinking smacking dicks in girls faces at the club and getting arrested is hilarious, this may not be the place for him.

[XPQ22]

(09-16-2016 07:22 PM)GlobalMan Wrote:  

People don't normally pay $20 to troll, I think he has genuine issues.

Yeah. Even if not a troll, there are way too many issues here to know where to begin.

[King of Monkeys]

I think you just need to find your niche. Try checking into a psych ward. I think your asylum game will be on point.