[rudebwoy]

(09-16-2016 04:43 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

(09-16-2016 10:27 AM)rudebwoy Wrote:  

Buffalo and Cleveland are shitholes.

A few French phrases in Montreal should do you fine and a willingness to learn the language, which has been mentioned countless times.

Canada is a cold country, winter sucks here period.

I can't imagine too many people paying over $1500 to rent places in Montreal. I'm pretty sure you can find rent for half that amount outside the city centre.

Anything place under $1000 will not be a nice place to live in Toronto.

Montreal also seems way easier to navigate without a car.

I would strongly listen to the vets that are suggesting Montreal.

You can easily rent a basement in downtown Montreal not far from the UQAM area for around 500$ a month.

Go more east around 4 miles from Bonadventure metro station, and there were a few townhouses for rent. One was a 4-bedroom townhouse leasing for around 800$ a month.

I've heard that a basement apartment in the Toronto West end, around 10 miles away from the downtown core of Toronto goes for around 900$ a month, and subsidized housing waitlists go for at least seven years to twelve years minimum.

Many people, the newbies inclusive, argue that Toronto earns higher wages, but the truth is that not many people are fortunate enough to land that public sector, medical or CEO job...

Some friends I know who reside in Toronto work for minimum wage at fast food outlets, and they still end up on welfare because the rent eats up their monthly pay.

One of my friends share a floor of a house (rents a room for himself) for around 700$ a month, but he works at maximum 35 hours a week and earns approximately 300$ a week after deductions, but after taking out rent, he is left with approximately 500$ left, and if you deduct TTC metropass he uses to go to work, he only has around 300$ left for food and other expenses.

On the other hand, 1,200$ a month would make one live quite comfortably in Montreal. Rent for an apartment for one person is around 400$ a month if you can find the right locations in Montreal, and it isn't a crime-ridden place like paying almost 900$ a month rent for a 1-bedroom near Jane-Finch in Toronto.

Finally a great post by you.

Those prices are unheard of in Toronto.

I met a girl from Montreal awhile back, she lived in a house in Laval with a swimming pool by herself. The rent was like $400 per month.

$800 per month for a townhouse sounds like paradise to me, if you own it you can rent out the other rooms for cheap. If you are leasing it you can sub lease it out as well.

The real ugly truth about Toronto is the job market, it sucks balls. As you rightly said a lot of people are not making money and are living close to the poverty line.

The math does not add up, the average salary is $45000. Can't exactly do much with that now. I also read that personal debt, not including mortgages or rent is like $20000 per person.

[RBerkley]

@Rudebwoy

When I was studying in downtown Toronto, before being subjected to the wave of misandry and man-hating Anglo elitism, on campus, the intro. rent for student housing near University of Toronto was around 770$ a month, and near Ryerson University at Church Street was around 830$ a month. This was in 2014 dollars, and student housing might be more "dorm-like" than renting an entire apartment.

Lots of things have changed in Canada in 2015 and 2016 like Beta Bucks doing bidding wars under the command of Wifey, paying as much as over 300,000$ over-asking on a 1-storey bungalow in North York which was already listed in the upper 500k range, and from that trend, I did some social experiments and walked through these overpriced neighbourhoods, and it was apparent that I was not wanted there despite these areas being suburban in Toronto.

It was not until an American guy I knew was complaining about the same thing in his area Manhattan-Harlem with all of them Yuppies infiltrating Harlem with their offers of twice the rental rates in Harlem, thus kicking out the poor people, but with a string attached; which is that many of these same Yuppies do not want any "ghetto" people living near their overpriced gentrified apartments and condos; something just like Toronto, but more people speak out about it because of American history. This is exactly why some places in Toronto like Regent Park are becoming "gentrified" at the same time when Yuppies and SJWs demand a police state to protect their feewings and inflated property values.

Speaking about Montreal, those Hippies and anarchists literally would create havoc if they knew that their area was to be "gentrified" with Yuppies and champagne liberal snobs.

Quote from the Liberal CBC:

Quote:

"Around 30 black-clad, masked individuals stormed a boutique grocery store in St-Henri on Saturday night, throwing smoke bombs, stealing food and leaving an employee stunned.

The masked group sprayed anti-capitalist graffiti and pasted an anti-gentrification poster on the storefront windows of 3734, a small grocery store connected to a restaurant on Notre-Dame West.

Montreal police estimate the group barged into the store around 8:30 p.m. The store's co-owner, Maxime Tremblay, said there was a lone employee inside at the time.

"They told her don't do anything, don't move, we just want to steal things," Tremblay said. "She was completely in shock … she felt really threatened."

Police have yet to make any arrests. But Saturday night's attack is only the latest in a series of incidents in which businesses along Notre-Dame Street have been vandalized with anti-gentrification graffiti. "

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/montreal/n...-1.3605510

My opinion: Montreal protest culture is more of economic Marxism and anti-elitism (Protests against high fees, cronyism and discrimination against poor and racialized minorities) , while Toronto protest culture is more of pro-crony-capitalist and gender Marxist elitist tones (A privileged Anglo-Canadian woman working as an executive in a corporation which exploits child labour from Africa and India while the same woman protest on the street how she is oppressed more than victims of blood diamonds in African continent).

If there weren't any Anarchist Marxist groups in Montreal, the rent prices and university tuition fee would have already skyrocketed a long time.

I usually loiter in residential areas in Montreal, and the only places where people look at me suspiciously are anywhere around the Elitist Anglo Universities around the Vert Line of the STM.

It's Anglo elitist snobbery and Yuppie mentality which holds responsibility for the insane rent prices in Toronto. I've known that some Yuppies even pay at least 3,000$ (even higher like in the 5,000$+ up range) a month rent for a 1-bedroom condo in downtown Toronto).

But Montreal club life more saner than Toronto. There are actually many clubs in Toronto being closed down to build more condo for the Yuppie and elitist married couples and beta buck bwoy dem.

[RBerkley]

Edit: But Montreal club life more saner than Toronto. There are actually many clubs in Toronto being closed down to build more condo for the Yuppie and elitist married couples and Beta-buck$$$ bwoy dem.

(Reason for editing): One of the words is also used in the Caribbean as a slang reference to Native Indians, and many Native Indians in Toronto are either homeless or kicked out from the streets to build more condos, so edited to give more clarity about "Beta-Buck$$$, Alpha Fucks".

[Dirty Dan]

(09-17-2016 03:59 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

My opinion: Montreal protest culture is more of economic Marxism and anti-elitism (Protests against high fees, cronyism and discrimination against poor and racialized minorities) , while Toronto protest culture is more of pro-crony-capitalist and gender Marxist elitist tones (A privileged Anglo-Canadian woman working as an executive in a corporation which exploits child labour from Africa and India while the same woman protest on the street how she is oppressed more than victims of blood diamonds in African continent).

If there weren't any Anarchist Marxist groups in Montreal, the rent prices and university tuition fee would have already skyrocketed a long time.

I usually loiter in residential areas in Montreal, and the only places where people look at me suspiciously are anywhere around the Elitist Anglo Universities around the Vert Line of the STM.

It's Anglo elitist snobbery and Yuppie mentality which holds responsibility for the insane rent prices in Toronto. I've known that some Yuppies even pay at least 3,000$ (even higher like in the 5,000$+ up range) a month rent for a 1-bedroom condo in downtown Toronto).

But Montreal club life more saner than Toronto. There are actually many clubs in Toronto being closed down to build more condo for the Yuppie and elitist married couples and beta buck bwoy dem.

Striking is the favorite French past time. As much as the Quebecois would like to think of themselves as different from the French, the striking culture is something that they share and are successful with. France is one of the few countries where the government is scared of the people.

The Anglos are fucked here. As you mentioned their lineage is from elitist rich families and they think of themselves as above everyone else. Fuck that! They are ugly with stupid taste in everything and have a fucked up culture of trying to one-up each other all the time. It's extremely suffocating.

[scotian]

(09-17-2016 06:34 PM)Dirty Dan Wrote:  

(09-17-2016 03:59 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

My opinion: Montreal protest culture is more of economic Marxism and anti-elitism (Protests against high fees, cronyism and discrimination against poor and racialized minorities) , while Toronto protest culture is more of pro-crony-capitalist and gender Marxist elitist tones (A privileged Anglo-Canadian woman working as an executive in a corporation which exploits child labour from Africa and India while the same woman protest on the street how she is oppressed more than victims of blood diamonds in African continent).

If there weren't any Anarchist Marxist groups in Montreal, the rent prices and university tuition fee would have already skyrocketed a long time.

I usually loiter in residential areas in Montreal, and the only places where people look at me suspiciously are anywhere around the Elitist Anglo Universities around the Vert Line of the STM.

It's Anglo elitist snobbery and Yuppie mentality which holds responsibility for the insane rent prices in Toronto. I've known that some Yuppies even pay at least 3,000$ (even higher like in the 5,000$+ up range) a month rent for a 1-bedroom condo in downtown Toronto).

But Montreal club life more saner than Toronto. There are actually many clubs in Toronto being closed down to build more condo for the Yuppie and elitist married couples and beta buck bwoy dem.

Striking is the favorite French past time. As much as the Quebecois would like to think of themselves as different from the French, the striking culture is something that they share and are successful with. France is one of the few countries where the government is scared of the people.

The Anglos are fucked here. As you mentioned their lineage is from elitist rich families and they think of themselves as above everyone else. Fuck that! They are ugly with stupid taste in everything and have a fucked up culture of trying to one-up each other all the time. It's extremely suffocating.

I once heard of those WASPy, Anglo elite referred to as Westmount Rhodesians, made sense.

[Dirty Dan]

(09-17-2016 07:38 PM)scotian Wrote:  

I once heard of those WASPy, Anglo elite referred to as Westmount Rhodesians, made sense.

That one word and the sentence shows that you know what you are talking about!

+1

[Curunír]

Great after a 17-2 rout, OP choses Montreal over Toronto.

Welcome to flavor country and since winter is coming, here is a nationalistic greeting https://youtu.be/uQEpFLxdCKs?t=13s

[RBerkley]

Dirty Dan

It's quite amazing how WASP elitist Anglos from Montreal managed to influence that anti-Roosh sentiment in Quebec.

When Roosh was in Montreal for his World Tour Last year, not ONE topless FEMEN Quebecois protestor was anywhere around Montreal during the day of the speech. It was mainly the Anglo elite bitchez who helped with more outrage, like the daughter of the Home Hardware enterprise from Toronto who managed to get her Concordia friends like Jessica along with that fake-anarchist Katie Nelson to honeytrap Roosh with their mangina Beta-Buck$$$ limpbwoy squad.

Heck, I didn't even see Aurelie Nix that day, she only went on the Roosh outrage as a way to gain her 15 minutes of fame which soon faded like ocean mist.

I thought I could've gamed some topless FEMEN Quebec bitchez that day, but not one in sight...These topless FEMEN bitchez in Quebec appear to want some seduction...On the other hand, Toronto Slutwalk activists are ones who went on bullying Lauren Southern's cameraman ("PoketFilms" YouTube Channel) by threatening to falsely accuse him of "harassment".

Anglo elitist dipheads wanna walk naked on the streets and then cry out for armed police with guns and tasers to go after any man they don't like..That's Anglo Canada for ya, no freedom of sexuality, only using sexuality as a weapon against men..

The Anglo elitist snobbery is evident in theory in the student groups at Mc Gill and Concordia too, but theoretically it's like a secular tourist resort in religious fundamental Dubai--They ain't got that much clout, for now..

The Roosh outrage was one stepping stone, but I doubt that the law enforcement in MTL would want to follow Toronto's footsteps by criminalizing bars, stripclubs and rub-n-tugs because of "concerned WASP mothers" who pose fully naked in front of pre-adolescent children for reasons like "breastfeeding" and "proud motherhood" in any case.

[Dirty Dan]

(09-17-2016 09:30 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Dirty Dan

It's quite amazing how WASP elitist Anglos from Montreal managed to influence that anti-Roosh sentiment in Quebec.

When Roosh was in Montreal for his World Tour Last year, not ONE topless FEMEN Quebecois protestor was anywhere around Montreal during the day of the speech. It was mainly the Anglo elite bitchez who helped with more outrage, like the daughter of the Home Hardware enterprise from Toronto who managed to get her Concordia friends like Jessica along with that fake-anarchist Katie Nelson to honeytrap Roosh with their mangina Beta-Buck$$$ limpbwoy squad.

Heck, I didn't even see Aurelie Nix that day, she only went on the Roosh outrage as a way to gain her 15 minutes of fame which soon faded like ocean mist.

I thought I could've gamed some topless FEMEN Quebec bitchez that day, but not one in sight...These topless FEMEN bitchez in Quebec appear to want some seduction...On the other hand, Toronto Slutwalk activists are ones who went on bullying Lauren Southern's cameraman ("PoketFilms" YouTube Channel) by threatening to falsely accuse him of "harassment".

Anglo elitist dipheads wanna walk naked on the streets and then cry out for armed police with guns and tasers to go after any man they don't like..That's Anglo Canada for ya, no freedom of sexuality, only using sexuality as a weapon against men..

The Anglo elitist snobbery is evident in theory in the student groups at Mc Gill and Concordia too, but theoretically it's like a secular tourist resort in religious fundamental Dubai--They ain't got that much clout, for now..

The Roosh outrage was one stepping stone, but I doubt that the law enforcement in MTL would want to follow Toronto's footsteps by criminalizing bars, stripclubs and rub-n-tugs because of "concerned WASP mothers" who pose fully naked in front of pre-adolescent children for reasons like "breastfeeding" and "proud motherhood" in any case.

Montreal will never become another Toronto. They have been able to protect themselves for a very long time. This is a French state in the middle of North America which would sound like an oxymoron to an alien if he were educated about the cultures of these two areas.

[RBerkley]

@ Dirty Dan:

In Toronto, while there are lesbians and gays walking fully naked with their genitalia and nakedness on full display and view right in front of little toddlers at Pride and Slutwalk, a PUA who just says "Hi" to a female on the street, or even in a classroom on campus (as what happened to me several times) is complained on for "unwanted conversation &/or harassment".

I dropped out of a university in Toronto last year because a female slandered me in a smear campaign alleging that I harassed her and hurt her feelings by saying "Hey girl what's up?" on campus.

I was bullied by Beta-Cucks and various females on campus were staying far from me. When I found out about this Toronto situation from Roosh V Toronto Sucks video, I eventually dropped out and I don't look forward to paying back any student loans I may have taken in Toronto to attend their Victorian-elitist university.

It was also appalling that when I tried to explain to University Management how she may have misinterpreted my greeting because of my Caribbean accent and American slang, the university didn't even care when I pointed out it and instead, they advised me to go into a mental hospital before I "harm anyone". I was almost forced to take psychiatric medication against my will because I pointed out injustice in an activist way (not as aggressive like Montreal anarchists, but more of like a rant essay) which I viewed as oppressive to Caribbean people in general.

Before you think that I might be ugly and deserve to be complained on for a mere greeting to a Toronto specimen, then when I was staying in Montreal after dropping out from university, even the female American tourist from Boston, was very friendly to me, and didn't even give me any paranoid signs that what I mostly got from Toronto women.

The point is that in Toronto, there is some form of agenda where women are afraid or angry to showcase their sexuality to masculine men, or even talk with men (campus rape culture hysteria), while at the same token, the women resort to showing their nakedness in front of elementary school boys at Pride, Slutwalk, etc.

However, in Montreal, the hipster Francophone chick leaning down on the sidewalk to set up her bike lock, but she ain't wearing any bra and I could see her nipples is more confident with herself.

I'm not saying that the ideal women should be submissive that they should have their nipples displayed in discreet ways for men to see, but I'm comparing how Toronto culture involves their women being afraid to even flaunt some lower neck and short skirts where men are around, that the same Toronto women is more likely to join a Slutwalk or Pride event where she will be found displaying her full nakedness to other LGBTQP666 groups and little toddlers where she will not find any masculine men which she perceives as "Rape Culture" and "Patriarchy".

In other words, the Toronto women would wanna pose naked for little minors than talk with a masculine man. Montreal Francophone women wanna talk with real men.

Even the Quebecois middle-aged men don't seem to mind when I flirt around in public with their college-aged Francophone women. I can't recall exactly how many times I was given nasty stares from manginas because I accidentally looked at their lizards in a crowded place.

Montreal is a whole new wavelength of fun because the people can live freely than compared in other parts of Canada. It was only during the Roosh V outrage did I experience that "Campus Activism" feeling, even though it is rumoured that many Montreal people are "Leftists", but probably leftist in a sense of economics rather than 100% gender imperialism.

For example: Many European fans (from "Socialist/Former Communist" countries) love Reggae musique, but the same reggae musicians are sanctioned brutally by countries like (Ontario) Canada/USA/UK for "Homophobia and misogyny", even thought these same three countries are not considered to be "Socialist".

Other than that comparison above, Adult sexuality is not that demonized in MTL compared to Toronto, and for that same reason, Montreal is good for the Bachelor Life even on a minimal lifestyle. Nuff said

[RBerkley]

^ @ Rudebwoy:

I don't have that much knowledge about the job market in Toronto, but I do have some knowledge of the Public Gov. Sector salary earnings approximate from the Ontario Sunshine List. I doubt that even 5% of these Sunshine List people are in the 18-27 age group:

1. Medical doctor earns approximately 180,000$ to 375,000$ per year averae. Specialists get paid higher.

2. TDSB school administrator average pay is around 115,000$ to 140,000$ per year depending on tenure and experience.

3. Full-time Professor's average wage is approx. 165,000$ per year, but most high earners in Business and Medical designations earn more than 300,000$ per year.

You might notice that these high earners are mainly government sector tenured positions, like in the movie Animal Farm where the Pig Class hold most of the wealth, while the rest of animals work in deplorable conditions to enrich the Pig Class.

Any 18-30 year-old male who thinks that he is going to even earn at least 30,000$ a year in Toronto upon moving is taking a lottery chance, unless he got transferred somewhere else to work in a branch company in Toronto.

Montreal salaries are lower, but it reflects on the lower cost of living. If a min.wage Montreal-er was to live under a high cost of living in the tenured Government class, he would already have revolted long time.

There must be some hidden form of tyranny in Ontario which makes min.wage underemployed/unemployed Toronto people have to be content earning 800$ a month part-time to pay for rent which costs at least 1,100$ a month because of economic disparity between the poor working class and the upper classes. I heard that Toronto welfare system pays around 500$ a month, but rent alone in Toronto is at least 600$ a month for a room in an accessible part of Toronto, and the welfare office requires that the person meet with a social worker at least three or four times a month to be under strict conditions around 700 rules and regulations alone I think..

Basically, if you're poor in Toronto, you got to surrender your freedom of movement and privacy just to get a "welfare cheque" which will barely pay your rent (and that is if landlords will want to rent their apartments at Jane-Finch to an unemployed man because "gentrification"), and having to meet a social worker, who is most likely an SJW, on a regular basis to stain your dignity because you can't be hired because of reverse discrimination.

I also heard that finding a General Physician doctor is difficult in Toronto too, but that's another story.

Point is, even a 500$ a month income can stretch in Montreal for a single man, but he gotta let the Francophone chicks pay for the alcohol and hotel room

[rudebwoy]

Richest people in Quebec, only number #5 is Anglo.

Let's not forget the Bronfman family, who are Jewish I believe.

Thought this thread was about Toronto vs Montreal, the OP decided on Montreal.

Thread done.

[Pointer]

$30,000/year is shit pay in Canada anywhere you go. I was making that much working in a crappy call center job while I was studying in Montreal. Nowadays many young people continue earning that even after university since they can't find anything decent. I am well under 30 and nowadays I wouldn't dream of working in Canada for less than $65,000/year minimum with at least 25 days of vacation and private health insurance. For Toronto I would add a 30% premium to make up for the ridiculous rents. Finding well paid jobs without connections or recommendations is mission impossible, the job market is completely different compared to Poland where employers are chasing you.

[Dirty Dan]

(09-18-2016 03:04 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Before you think that I might be ugly and deserve to be complained on for a mere greeting to a Toronto specimen, then when I was staying in Montreal after dropping out from university, even the female American tourist from Boston, was very friendly to me, and didn't even give me any paranoid signs that what I mostly got from Toronto women.

I would never say that. Even If you were unattractive, that is no excuse for any girl to do what she did to you.

It sucks that you had to go through that experience. I had thought that I would move to Toronto sometime in future. But fuck it, if the people there are anything like the elites of Westmount then I am staying away from the steaming pile of shit.

Other cities in Canada might hold a lot of potential as well. I get along very well with people from BC and have met the sweetest girls from Ottawa. I truly believe that Ottawa is a hidden gem worth exploring. I plan to do so next summer.

[RBerkley]

(09-18-2016 05:35 PM)Dirty Dan Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 03:04 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Before you think that I might be ugly and deserve to be complained on for a mere greeting to a Toronto specimen, then when I was staying in Montreal after dropping out from university, even the female American tourist from Boston, was very friendly to me, and didn't even give me any paranoid signs that what I mostly got from Toronto women.

I would never say that. Even If you were unattractive, that is no excuse for any girl to do what she did to you.

It sucks that you had to go through that experience. I had thought that I would move to Toronto sometime in future. But fuck it, if the people there are anything like the elites of Westmount then I am staying away from the steaming pile of shit.

Other cities in Canada might hold a lot of potential as well. I get along very well with people from BC and have met the sweetest girls from Ottawa. I truly believe that Ottawa is a hidden gem worth exploring. I plan to do so next summer.

Many of these universities in Toronto are always that prejudice towards people with Caribbean accent. They only want the Caribbean men to be emasculated in order to accept them, but that is for another thread.

I find that in Montreal, the Haitian men I've met haven't been "emasculated" or forced to sound like a woman or gay when interacting with the opposite gender, so it's proof that how it's messed up for these Toronto universities to portray themselves as being tolerant, but soon as a Caribbean accent is heard, a Canadian woman feels uncomfortable, and this leads to the victimization of the man just because of the accent he spoke.

In my opinion, the elitists at Westmount are not at all as terrible as compared to the average Toronto "Yuppie", "Professional SJW", "Champagne Socialist" or whatever buzzword is around to describe those people. Roosh said it already how bad that city is being overpriced and infected with police state enforcement and mangina mob justice vigilantism for thought crimes, every one masquerading as campus activism.

I've heard that Ottawa is fine for sure, but some say that it is more expensive than Montreal, but the good part is that Ottawa is a mixture of Anglo and French, so it's a win-win situation for those wanting a mixture of fun.

Average Rent in Toronto usually priced for a Bachelor's apartment are follows:
20km away from downtown core 950$-1,050$
10km away from downtown core= 1,100$-1,250$
5km away from downtown= 1,295$-1,500$
Located in downtown core= 1,800$-2,500$

Basements in Jane& Finch area =950$ hovering to 1,000$ a month range, and bachelor apartments from 1,150$ for Bachelor units?

Toronto housing and rental are BOTH expensive for the average newbie.

1,000$ a month =12,000$ a year paying rent just to live in a crime-ridden part of Toronto..If you're lucky to earn 30,000$ a year, at least 5,000$ of that is taxed and compulsory deducted in some way, so probably left with around 12,000$-14,000$ to last for the year, approximately 1,000$ a month left for food, transit and car insurance, that is, if you can afford the high car insurance rates around 500$ a month for a single man in his early 20s.

Cost of living too high in Toronto for someone with low earnings to reside at comfort with good women

[WeekendCasanova]

(09-18-2016 07:58 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Average Rent in Toronto usually priced for a Bachelor's apartment are follows:
20km away from downtown core 950$-1,050$
10km away from downtown core= 1,100$-1,250$
5km away from downtown= 1,295$-1,500$
Located in downtown core= 1,800$-2,500$

Basements in Jane& Finch area =950$ hovering to 1,000$ a month range, and bachelor apartments from 1,150$ for Bachelor units?

Toronto housing and rental are BOTH expensive for the average newbie.

1,000$ a month =12,000$ a year paying rent just to live in a crime-ridden part of Toronto..If you're lucky to earn 30,000$ a year, at least 5,000$ of that is taxed and compulsory deducted in some way, so probably left with around 12,000$-14,000$ to last for the year, approximately 1,000$ a month left for food, transit and car insurance, that is, if you can afford the high car insurance rates around 500$ a month for a single man in his early 20s.

Cost of living too high in Toronto for someone with low earnings to reside at comfort with good women

Where in the world did you get your numbers?

I live in Toronto, and the prices on the outskirts are nowhere near what you've said.

[rudebwoy]

Berkeley - you made your point bro.

Why don't you relax for a minute.

We agree Toronto is expensive.

[ChinUpChestOut]

I've lived in both cities. Toronto for ten years and montreal for six months. Both are absolute shit holes. Women wise I had luck in both places but thats exactly what it was, luck. Montreal is better than toronto, good public transit, good looking women (canadian standards) it is cheaper but salaries are also lower. I HIGHLY RECOMMEND YOU DO NOT MOVE TO CANADA. EVER. NEVER SET FOOT IN THAT ARCTIC WASTELAND!

[Cattle Rustler]

(09-18-2016 11:05 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 07:58 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Average Rent in Toronto usually priced for a Bachelor's apartment are follows:
20km away from downtown core 950$-1,050$
10km away from downtown core= 1,100$-1,250$
5km away from downtown= 1,295$-1,500$
Located in downtown core= 1,800$-2,500$

Basements in Jane& Finch area =950$ hovering to 1,000$ a month range, and bachelor apartments from 1,150$ for Bachelor units?

Toronto housing and rental are BOTH expensive for the average newbie.

1,000$ a month =12,000$ a year paying rent just to live in a crime-ridden part of Toronto..If you're lucky to earn 30,000$ a year, at least 5,000$ of that is taxed and compulsory deducted in some way, so probably left with around 12,000$-14,000$ to last for the year, approximately 1,000$ a month left for food, transit and car insurance, that is, if you can afford the high car insurance rates around 500$ a month for a single man in his early 20s.

Cost of living too high in Toronto for someone with low earnings to reside at comfort with good women

Where in the world did you get your numbers?

I live in Toronto, and the prices on the outskirts are nowhere near what you've said.

From the evil white Anglo Saxon feminists studying at the elitist universities.

[rudebwoy]

@Cattle Rustler - that was a good one!

[casa-nostra]

(09-18-2016 11:05 PM)WeekendCasanova Wrote:  

(09-18-2016 07:58 PM)RBerkley Wrote:  

Average Rent in Toronto usually priced for a Bachelor's apartment are follows:
20km away from downtown core 950$-1,050$
10km away from downtown core= 1,100$-1,250$
5km away from downtown= 1,295$-1,500$
Located in downtown core= 1,800$-2,500$

Basements in Jane& Finch area =950$ hovering to 1,000$ a month range, and bachelor apartments from 1,150$ for Bachelor units?

Toronto housing and rental are BOTH expensive for the average newbie.

1,000$ a month =12,000$ a year paying rent just to live in a crime-ridden part of Toronto..If you're lucky to earn 30,000$ a year, at least 5,000$ of that is taxed and compulsory deducted in some way, so probably left with around 12,000$-14,000$ to last for the year, approximately 1,000$ a month left for food, transit and car insurance, that is, if you can afford the high car insurance rates around 500$ a month for a single man in his early 20s.

Cost of living too high in Toronto for someone with low earnings to reside at comfort with good women

Where in the world did you get your numbers?

I live in Toronto, and the prices on the outskirts are nowhere near what you've said.

I will also add that the numbers he said about MTL are false

Living downtown with 4 roomates, i pay 650 . just because it is a clean place.

MTL is not that cheap when you want a clean place.

Houses are usually cleaner and more modern in Toronto that is why they are more expensive.

[RBerkley]

(09-18-2016 11:27 PM)Cattle Rustler Wrote:  

From the evil white Anglo Saxon feminists studying at the elitist universities.

Dono if it's trolling or serious, but the Trans-Atlantic Slave trade helped to enrich the elite Anglo post-Victorian wives while their husbands were enslaving my brethren in the Caribbean. We Caribbean people know what is oppression.

The same WASPy women in Toronto also forced hundreds of Aboriginal (Native) men and women from the streets of downtown Toronto because many homeless shelters which those homeless Aboriginal people frequent were scheduled to be torn down to build more condos for privileged Yuppies and WASPy women.

If you don't see income disparity caused by discrimination and misandry in Canada, then you have to read some History books from the Caribbean.

I don't tolerate white supremacist mangina rhetoric either. I find it to be an injustice that Aboriginal people have to be mysteriously removed from their homeless shelters just so that privileged Yuppies can walk naked on the streets of downtown Toronto where their overpriced condos are located.

[Cattle Rustler]

Not trolling bro. I do believe that AS Canadian females suck and have a shitty debbie downer attitude.

[rudebwoy]

Some people love to mentally masturbate on this forum.

The thread is about where the OP should live.

Now this thread has derailed like every other thread when people discuss Toronto.

There is a lot of inaccurate information on this thread, it is easy to do a google search and find rent prices.

The racial crap doesn't belong here.

[RBerkley]

Castra Notra:

Cockroach, bedbug infested apartments in the Toronto area are cleaner? There are numerous complaints from tenants living in Jane-Finch, Thorncliffe Park, etc for cockroaches, poor heating, etc, and those apartments aren't even subsidized housing.

Subsidized housing is even worse like third world slum conditions and unkempt apartment and crime which police never around, unless it's to arrest men for making snowflakes from gentrified area feel uncomfortable.

http://torontolife.com/city/toronto-is-f...-and-bugs/

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#TorontoIsFailingMe: My apartment tower is infested with cockroaches and bugs
By Toronto Life | January 13, 2015 AT 11:57 am

Toronto’s inner suburbs have become shorthand for crumbling postwar apartment blocks, underfunded schools or gang warfare. They’re among the neighbourhoods with the lowest incomes in the city, the longest trek to a TTC stop, and the highest concentration of immigrants and visible minorities. This month, we’re sharing stories from Torontonians who live in the inner suburbs, told in their own words. Some are shocking, some tragic, some hopeful. Together, they convey an urgent truth: Toronto is failing too many of its citizens. Have a story of your own? Tweet, Facebook, or Instagram with the hashtag #TorontoIsFailingMe to tell us.

Toronto PTB is also in the habit of blaming the tenants (covert racism) when the landlord doesn't do maintenance on the property in a "world class" city of overpriced rents and poor dating.

Quote:

The buildings are infested with cockroaches, mice, bedbugs and anything else you can name. Our landlord rarely cleans the carpet in my hallway. I can’t bring my friends into my tower’s common area without feeling embarrassed about the dirt. Our last councillor, John Parker, blamed tenants for the conditions, saying they don’t know how to live properly.

In 1992, a neighbour encouraged me to get involved with tenants’ rights. She said: “You have energy, you will fight, you can talk to the immigrants.” I’m now the president of the tenants’ association, and I do my best to help newcomers who don’t know their rights—that the landlord is responsible for leaky pipes and broken toilets, not them.

In summary, you don't really know anything about Toronto because you even claimed that you never stepped foot in Toronto, but you wanna play Expert and put false information out there.

Speaking of which, many Montrealers do pay around 450$-600$ a month rent for 1 and 2-bedrooms, which is definitely cheap as compared to other major cities in Canada. There is a downtown luxury market where hot money pay premium for apartments along the Vert Line which is considered more of a tourist area than in the outlying areas on the Orange Line, etc.

If you're renting in downtown Montreal, as in near Mc Gill and Concordia universities, anywhere along the Vert Line from Concordia to Peel, you will definitely pay premium because of the influx of hot money and demand from non-resident students and "hard earned" money from Asia which needs to be parked in Canada.

Paying 600$ a month rent for a room in the Anglo-elitist downtown part of Montreal is still considered cheap if you compare room rent near Ryerson University around 850$ and University of Toronto around 700$-900$ per month.

Nowhere in Toronto will you ever find apartments going from 400$ per month unless it's a room which is around 500$+ a month

https://montreal.craigslist.ca/apa/5788510605.html

I'm not here to give free advertising to landlords, but the average rent prices between Montreal and Toronto are easily comparable. Toronto rent prices are higher because of artificial demand from immigrants and "hard-earned" money from legitimate foreign businesses, and the false hope that newcomers can find high paying jobs in Toronto, but instead they have to work min. wage jobs and pay over 900$ a month rent for a 1-bedroom in a cockroach, crime-infested part of Toronto.

Recently in St. Henri part of Montreal , anarchists behaved anarchy to the gentrified stores because the tenant rents were rising in that area because of Yuppies and non-residents. Such protests would rarely happen in Toronto because the Anglo culture is one of compliance and conformity.