[Rocha]

^^Irenicus, of course it is safe. The Ukrainian language topic that Scrambled rouse, is pure nonsense.

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

I know the feeling Vinny. I'm surrounded by fat ugly Brits in Sunny Beach right now. Ukraine is no doubt addictive. The abundance of girls and their receptiveness can't be matched anywhere else (never been to Russia).

[whiteknightrises]

[Rocha]

(08-31-2016 10:59 AM)whiteknightrises Wrote:  

   

[trainwreck]

(08-31-2016 04:30 AM)weener Wrote:  

Ukraine is not a "one size fits all country", some guys prefer places like Poland which has easier girls, higher levels of spoken English, better infrastructure, better service, better food options, happier atmosphere etc.

The nightlife is also not the best in Ukraine, especially so since the war kicked off, although you can sometimes find yourself in a club with 80pc women and think that it's not bad after all.

Not all nationalities do so well, I never saw Spanish guys doing particularly well, the ones I have met have been shy and have a herd mentality. Black guys do way better in Europe generally. Turkish guys can do ok, many of them are just happy to get laid with something that has two legs instead of four. Germans and Scandinavians often don't have an approach mentality, they will sit around with their guy friends drinking beer and having fun between themselves.

When you hit your late thirties it becomes increasingly difficult in Europe to bang students whereas in Ukraine you haven't even peaked yet. If you look younger than your years this helps even more as Ukrainian men don't age very well

Ukraine is just too fucked up for me to live in. I like a little roughness but prefer it when things work. When I arrived in Ukraine (Odessa) a few weeks ago for the first time I got taken aside at the border and questioned for my Russian visas. Then, when I finally made it into the city, the hotel clerk asked me to pay in cash (at a 5* hotel). Then, the ATM's were all not working or out of order. I was told that someone should have come 2-3 days ago but simply had not shown up.

Nobody speaks English, except for a few select people. People are straight up rude. I was with 2 Ethnic Russian Baltic guys and they told me that a Russian guy had said "Lower your tone" to the hotel clerk, since she was being a bitch to him. People don't say really even know 1% of what service culture looks like.

The airport is fucked up to the point that you have to squeeze yourself through a 3 people security line because there's 30 babushkas saying goodbye in the middle of the security line to other people.

The Ukranian guys look absolutely busted. When my baltic friend would tell girls he's 31 they would be amazed since he was in good shape and looked mid 20's max. Those 2 lucky bastars speak fluent Russian and I barely speak a few words. It's insane how easy it is to approach here. I think I can compare this to the same level of when I was in Colombia and the only one among my friends speaking Spanish.

Girls clearly love money. I would usually simply wait for my friends to approach a group of girls, then figure out the one who spoke English and add them on Instagram. They have nothing going on in their lives, 99% of pictures are selfies. Funny enough in no other country have I had girls hit me up on DM only 30mins after exchanging IG because she clearly had seen I live a good life. I ended up getting laid, but the lay came from Tinder, which I figured is where the English speaking ho's are, and I was correct.

In fact in no other country have I seen such obsession with taking Selfies. When guys here talk about how great Ukranian women are and how amazing they are, I really wonder what they are going for. While at the beach reading a book, I noticed 3 girls. They spent 3 hours trying to take the perfect selfie. 3 fucking hours. 99% of girls in Ukraine use Instagram solely for narcissistic reasons. Good luck taking an Ukranian wife back home. They simply seem to have no level of education whatsoever. You cannot compare this to the level of art or cultural knowledge an avg girl from St. Petersburg or Moscow has.

We did walk around the center during the day and you do see plenty of cute girls. The % of cute girls was really incredible. And every time my friends would approach, they would be open to it. Even if she had a boyfriend, she'd tell him nicely and then move on with her life. It's funny to see how they can be SO NICE to guys approaching them, but then lack a complete idea about politeness in service culture???! wtf

Everything is super sketchy outside the center. It looks wayyyyy worse than the suburbs of Moscow or St. Petersburg.

Fun to visit and have seen, but no way given the cheap Rouble would I ever prefer Ukraine to Russia. Honestly, I kept asking myself one simple question: What does Putin really want with this country?

[Schvoss]

I am planning a trip to Ukraine Odessa, I wonder if I can do well there and have fun, I look like a typical German guy green eyes brown hair and I understand and speak fluent German and fluent Russian with some funny cute accent.

Should I rethink my trip?

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

Kiev is a different world from Odessa.

[Schvoss]

(08-31-2016 12:13 PM)Cambodian Creamsicle Wrote:  

Kiev is a different world from Odessa.

How so? btw isn't there more Russians in Odessa than Kiev?

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

Odessa has very few English speakers Kiev has lots. Odessa is small, Kiev has many different areas. Odessa is a beach resort type place so it's dead outside the summer months. Kiev has a big student population, Odessa does not. Kiev Tinder is good, Odessa it's terrible.

I'm sure Prosal will argue all these points but that was my experience. Kiev 10 times better for women.

[the6ix]

Russian is the main language in most of the big Ukrainian cities.

Also, regarding this post, read my data sheet on Kiev, I had one of the best months of my entire life there, so to each their own. Go to find out if you like it or not, don't not go because some guy on a forum told you not to.

[Enigma]

(08-31-2016 06:44 AM)weener Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 06:27 AM)apolis Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 04:30 AM)weener Wrote:  

Ukraine is not a "one size fits all country", some guys prefer places like Poland which has easier girls, higher levels of spoken English, better infrastructure, better service, better food options, happier atmosphere etc.

The nightlife is also not the best in Ukraine, especially so since the war kicked off, although you can sometimes find yourself in a club with 80pc women and think that it's not bad after all.

Not all nationalities do so well, I never saw Spanish guys doing particularly well, the ones I have met have been shy and have a herd mentality. Black guys do way better in Europe generally. Turkish guys can do ok, many of them are just happy to get laid with something that has two legs instead of four. Germans and Scandinavians often don't have an approach mentality, they will sit around with their guy friends drinking beer and having fun between themselves.

When you hit your late thirties it becomes increasingly difficult in Europe to bang students whereas in Ukraine you haven't even peaked yet. If you look younger than your years this helps even more as Ukrainian men don't age very well

Agreed, Deb

Prosal again, and his cognac and cigar fuelled paranoia?

Prosal and Deb were both banned years before either of you joined the forum. Nice job revealing that you're both previously banned members

[Roosh]

Hmmm how many previously banned members are in this thread?

[BallsDeep]

(08-31-2016 03:16 AM)Irish Wrote:  

How many RVFers and general daygamers are in Kiev generally at any one time? Just from what I was hearing I got the impression it was fairly infested. Do you think the city is at risk of getting burned out?

(08-31-2016 03:45 AM)trainwreck Wrote:  

I don't think a few foreigners are going to make a big difference.

I don't think he's referring to "a few foreigners", but rather an army of spam approachers. Those spam approaching squads exterminate European cities faster than Raid on an ant farm.

[NewMeta]

(08-31-2016 02:17 PM)BallsDeep Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 03:16 AM)Irish Wrote:  

How many RVFers and general daygamers are in Kiev generally at any one time? Just from what I was hearing I got the impression it was fairly infested. Do you think the city is at risk of getting burned out?

(08-31-2016 03:45 AM)trainwreck Wrote:  

I don't think a few foreigners are going to make a big difference.

I don't think he's referring to "a few foreigners", but rather an army of spam approachers. Those spam approaching squads exterminate European cities faster than Raid on an ant farm.

I regularly see the PUA types spam approaching here in Poland during the day, maybe couple of times a week either around the old town or big shopping malls. Classic black leather jacket + dark jeans combo (why always the black leather jacket?), i wouldve thought since Ukraine is hot shit right now that there wouldve been more these kinda guys there. Everyone forgets that there are those that post here, and those that simply lurk, read, learn and go there, not to mention any other circles of PUA communities etc...

[Cambodian Creamsicle]

They all wear the black leather jackets cause they think it makes them look badass or R selected so woman will want to fuck them instead of making them a bf. Torero Krauser James Marshall Yad, fuck every PUA does it. It's the pick up uniform.

[trainwreck]

In no way I'm saying women in Ukraine aren't gorgeous and if you speak Russian, super easy to approach. Just living there wouldn't be my thing. Too screwed up. I stayed in St. Petersburg for over a month and still felt it to be "kind of" ok levels of corruption to deal with. Ukraine, or Odessa in this case, seemed just way too much.

[WeekendCasanova]

Everyone boasts about Russia, and Russian women. In the looks department, Russian women may have a slight edge, but in terms of the overall package, it's Ukrainian women for me. Sweeter, smarter, less-fake, less-bitchy. Of course this is just my experience, however.

I couldn't agree more though. Landing in Canada, post-Ukraine was horrifying. Even Spain, Romania, don't live up to my Ukrainian standards. Friends keep asking why I'm always flying to Ukraine instead of a "normal" country, like Iceland, France, or Mexico...if only they knew!

[Akwesi]

(08-31-2016 03:12 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

In no way I'm saying women in Ukraine aren't gorgeous and if you speak Russian, super easy to approach. Just living there wouldn't be my thing. Too screwed up. I stayed in St. Petersburg for over a month and still felt it to be "kind of" ok levels of corruption to deal with. Ukraine, or Odessa in this case, seemed just way too much.

Never been to Odessa, what you describe is not close to my experience in Ukraine. There's a fair bit of regional diversity and I think Odessa is a bit of an outlier.

[Schlep]

I'll be there soon!!

[trainwreck]

(08-31-2016 04:03 PM)Akwesi Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 03:12 PM)trainwreck Wrote:  

In no way I'm saying women in Ukraine aren't gorgeous and if you speak Russian, super easy to approach. Just living there wouldn't be my thing. Too screwed up. I stayed in St. Petersburg for over a month and still felt it to be "kind of" ok levels of corruption to deal with. Ukraine, or Odessa in this case, seemed just way too much.

Never been to Odessa, what you describe is not close to my experience in Ukraine. There's a fair bit of regional diversity and I think Odessa is a bit of an outlier.

you might be right. Given that it's a city with a ferry connection to turkey and also a port city in general it will attract the lesser type of people.

[TripleG]

I personally would take Moscow over Kiev any day of the week. For me not only were Moscow girls more abundant (one cannot believe the talent on a friday night during summer in places like Gorky or Old Arbat) but I got more IOI's when going out and speaking Russian with an accent. I may be the only one on these forums but I would say I found Kiev not that easy and it required A LOT of work in terms of time invested going out, chasing numbers, and girls not flaking. Then again I am an older guy so perhaps age was against me

[apolis]

(08-31-2016 01:29 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 06:44 AM)weener Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 06:27 AM)apolis Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 04:30 AM)weener Wrote:  

Ukraine is not a "one size fits all country", some guys prefer places like Poland which has easier girls, higher levels of spoken English, better infrastructure, better service, better food options, happier atmosphere etc.

The nightlife is also not the best in Ukraine, especially so since the war kicked off, although you can sometimes find yourself in a club with 80pc women and think that it's not bad after all.

Not all nationalities do so well, I never saw Spanish guys doing particularly well, the ones I have met have been shy and have a herd mentality. Black guys do way better in Europe generally. Turkish guys can do ok, many of them are just happy to get laid with something that has two legs instead of four. Germans and Scandinavians often don't have an approach mentality, they will sit around with their guy friends drinking beer and having fun between themselves.

When you hit your late thirties it becomes increasingly difficult in Europe to bang students whereas in Ukraine you haven't even peaked yet. If you look younger than your years this helps even more as Ukrainian men don't age very well

Agreed, Deb

Prosal again, and his cognac and cigar fuelled paranoia?

Prosal and Deb were both banned years before either of you joined the forum. Nice job revealing that you're both previously banned members

I was reading the forum, but joined later. Deb's Ukraine obsession is hard to hide (banging students, comparisons to Poland, Turks references, late thirties etc).

[weener]

(08-31-2016 06:04 PM)apolis Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 01:29 PM)Enigma Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 06:44 AM)weener Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 06:27 AM)apolis Wrote:  

(08-31-2016 04:30 AM)weener Wrote:  

Ukraine is not a "one size fits all country", some guys prefer places like Poland which has easier girls, higher levels of spoken English, better infrastructure, better service, better food options, happier atmosphere etc.

The nightlife is also not the best in Ukraine, especially so since the war kicked off, although you can sometimes find yourself in a club with 80pc women and think that it's not bad after all.

Not all nationalities do so well, I never saw Spanish guys doing particularly well, the ones I have met have been shy and have a herd mentality. Black guys do way better in Europe generally. Turkish guys can do ok, many of them are just happy to get laid with something that has two legs instead of four. Germans and Scandinavians often don't have an approach mentality, they will sit around with their guy friends drinking beer and having fun between themselves.

When you hit your late thirties it becomes increasingly difficult in Europe to bang students whereas in Ukraine you haven't even peaked yet. If you look younger than your years this helps even more as Ukrainian men don't age very well

Agreed, Deb

Prosal again, and his cognac and cigar fuelled paranoia?

Prosal and Deb were both banned years before either of you joined the forum. Nice job revealing that you're both previously banned members

I was reading the forum, but joined later. Deb's Ukraine obsession is hard to hide (banging students, comparisons to Poland, Turks references, late thirties etc).

Hmmm

Well I am not who you say, we all bang students in Ukraine, the Turks are not the most endearing folks, Poland is the RVF hub of Europe, I have no idea how old he is.

[scrambled]

Someone has over literally interpreted my comments about dialectal use; it is not a question of safety, but of custom and nationalism. All Ukrainians speak both Russian and Ukrainian dialects; but while in Kiev the primary dialect varies, in Lvov it is Ukrainian.

[Bycicleguy]

I noticed you said you were Spanish or Turkish looking in another post. I also remembered some posts on Russia and Ukrania datasheets suggested that girls on those countries where really into the western european look (light hair and eyes) and not very fond of not whites. I'm also spanish looking, white skin and dark hair. So I'm curious about how someone like me would be received in Russia or Ukraine, judging by your salsa datasheet it seems at least latin dances are kind of popular.