[Nineteen84]

2 days ago...

   

and this is bigger.

[Nineteen84]

So the driver/gunman/terrorist was a French citizen.

Civilizations unchecked always collapse from within.

Seems like a lone nut who decided enough is enough.
& went 'radical'.

I'm pretty sure ISIS would have preffered a EURO 2016 Finals incident.

But this isnt a consolidatary second.

80+ kills from one dude with a truck.

A new terrifying benchmark has been set.

[aeroektar]

Newt is dropping bombs on FOX right now.

[Nineteen84]

(07-14-2016 09:24 PM)1026 Wrote:  

So the driver/gunman/terrorist was a French citizen.

...but of course not French

[RexImperator]

France has had Muslim immigration going back decades, and so many are citizens, and France might also have the largest number of citizens who have recently travelled to Syria and back.

[Teutatis]

(07-14-2016 09:06 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 09:03 PM)Dusty Wrote:  

Where do I go to sing Imagine?

I lost a lot of respect for (((Shapiro))) during the last few months, but this is a great breakdown of that cringe worthy song.

Ha, this reminds me when I was in my early 20s and a girlfriend I had at the time asked me if I liked this song and I said "no, I can't stand this stupid hippy song" and she said she couldn't either. This was the only girlfriend I had that I actually miss.

(07-14-2016 09:18 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 09:04 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

I don't disagree but this will never happen under the current western zeitgeist, but assuming that it did, it would lead to massive muslim attacks on the police and population, leading eventually to a "civil war" and/or "genocide" as muslims would never accept these measures adn would revolt.

Not so. This ISIS stuff is a fever -- it needs to break, and the only way it will break is when they are defeated in the Middle East and beaten and bruised in Europe.

You are assuming that the Muslim population has some sort of deep commitment to this specific ideology that will survive any punitive measures and facts of the ground. That's not the case.

Many current ISIS sympathizers and even actual terrorists were completely secular not so long ago and can easily be so again. It's an ideological fever that exists for a number of reasons which are essentially psychological and sexual in nature. It can be broken and the Muslim population in Europe can be largely subdued and pacified. They will also have greater respect for the west -- and a greater desire to assimilate -- once they encounter something like a firm hand in response to their out of control loser antics.

Are you saying that if we show muslims the ways of the west they will let go of their beliefs and peacefully assimilate? Isn't that what we've been trying to do for a few hundred years? How well is that going? LOZ, I really wish you were right, I do, but I don't believe muslims can simply be subdued and pacified and learn to respect the west at all. No, Islam is simply incompatible with everything that's not muslim, be that the west, Asia or Africa.

[RawGod]

(07-14-2016 09:18 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 09:04 PM)Teutatis Wrote:  

I don't disagree but this will never happen under the current western zeitgeist, but assuming that it did, it would lead to massive muslim attacks on the police and population, leading eventually to a "civil war" and/or "genocide" as muslims would never accept these measures adn would revolt.

Not so. This ISIS stuff is a fever -- it needs to break, and the only way it will break is when they are defeated in the Middle East and beaten and bruised in Europe.

You are assuming that the Muslim population has some sort of deep commitment to this specific ideology that will survive any punitive measures and facts of the ground. That's not the case.

Many current ISIS sympathizers and even actual terrorists were completely secular not so long ago and can easily be so again. It's an ideological fever that exists for a number of reasons which are essentially psychological and sexual in nature. It can be broken and the Muslim population in Europe can be largely subdued and pacified. They will also have greater respect for the west -- and a greater desire to assimilate -- once they encounter something like a firm hand in response to their out of control loser antics.

I would like to think so - that a stronger and sterner Western spirit accompanied by action would be able to contain the Muslims already living within the borders - but I'm pessimistic. Look at Asia - India, Thailand and the Philippines, among other places. The Muslims there have been a thorn in the side for centuries. It never stops. I'm in Mindanao now and there is fighting here all the time. A friend was in a major mall in Manila last week and there were actual shots fired by a Muslim terrorist. Didn't get any coverage. The Philippines doesn't have much tolerance or political correctness. It's just that Islam is a cancer, and the solution is that its adherents must be excluded from non-Muslim countries. Or utterly placed under the state thumb - mosques under government control, second-class citizen status. This may seem extreme but it is precisely the way non-Muslims are treated in Muslim countries.

[Fast Eddie]

(07-14-2016 09:20 PM)Nineteen84 Wrote:  

2 days ago...



and this is bigger.

It's important to put the above warning about "Civil War" in the context of what it was meant to achieve. I made a post about it on the Political forum so I'll paste it here to avoid duplication of effort:

(07-12-2016 04:50 AM)Fast Eddie Wrote:  

(07-11-2016 06:33 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

HEAD OF FRENCH POLICE: MIGRANT SEX ASSAULTS COULD TRIGGER “CIVIL WAR”

Quote:

The head of French police recently warned that the country is on the verge of a “civil war” that could be triggered by another mass sexual assault of women by migrants like the one that occurred in Cologne on New Year’s Eve.
Patrick Calvar, who is the head of the Directorate General of Internal Security (DGSI), told members of a French parliamentary commission, ” “We are on the brink of civil war.”
Calvar said that the situation in France is so potentially explosive that one more major Islamist terror attack or mass migrant sexual assault could lead to a massive right-wing backlash.
“This confrontation I think it will take place. Even one or two attacks and it will happen. It therefore behooves us to anticipate and block all these groups,” said Calvar.
Hundreds of German women were sexually abused during a series of attacks in Cologne on December 31st, a situation that eyewitnesses described as being akin to a war zone.
Most of the culprits, who were largely comprised of Arab and North African asylum seekers and immigrants, were never charged for the outrage. Two men who were part of the mass frenzy of sexual assaults recently received suspended sentences. Pictures show them cheering and celebrating outside court.
Other mass sexual assaults committed by migrants have also taken place throughout Europe over the past year.
Calvar’s warning has been echoed by numerous other prominent police, army and security experts throughout Europe.
Back in May, Former MI6 head Richard Dearlove cautioned that Europe faces a “populist uprising” if its governments fail to take control of the migrant crisis.
Top security experts in Germany told Chancellor Angela Merkel last October that the middle class was becoming “radicalized” as a result of her open borders migrant policy and that domestic disorder could ensue as a result.
French security forces are also preparing for mass civil unrest and radicalized immigrants taking over entire neighborhoods, according to intelligence sources.
Last year, Swiss army chief André Blattmann warned that the risk of social unrest in Europe was intensifying and that citizens should arm themselves.
Danish Professor Helmuth Nyborg also commented in April that “civil war” was the most likely outcome of current EU immigration policies.

http://www.infowars.com/head-of-french-p...civil-war/

You can have thousands of additional attacks and millions of rapes and French cucks will do nothing in terms of "backlash," but the bolded part explains the rationale behind the bullshit "warning" by the traitorous police chief. He is calling for a preemptive crackdown on nationalist groups and using the fictional specter of a backlash as justification.

The whole thing is a disingenuous propaganda lie due to the utter improbability of a "massive right wing backlash," but it's still worthwhile to note what this faggot is saying at face value. Even on face value, the message here is that there will be mass rapes and mass terrorist attacks, and because of this, the first order of business is to make sure the French population is fully castrated so that they are utterly unable to respond to the attacks against them.

Here's another completely analogous way of viewing this pronouncement: Police officer comes to your house and tells you that for the foreseeable future a group of Muslim youths is going to be constantly raping your daughter and trying to kill your youngest son and he's afraid that you and your oldest son will try to do something about it, so he's preemptively taking your oldest son away so the two of you can't organize anything to interfere with the situation.

That is exactly the meaning of the message of this French police chief, and that is how cucked the French are since it caused not a ripple of outrage in France. The thing that pisses me off the most about the whole situation is that I have to continue to endure the existence of these subhuman cucks. Why can't the Muslims just hurry the fuck up and put them out of their misery already?

[Nineteen84]

˄ excellent insight!

[scorpion]

(07-14-2016 09:18 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Many current ISIS sympathizers and even actual terrorists were completely secular not so long ago and can easily be so again. It's an ideological fever that exists for a number of reasons which are essentially psychological and sexual in nature. It can be broken and the Muslim population in Europe can be largely subdued and pacified. They will also have greater respect for the west -- and a greater desire to assimilate -- once they encounter something like a firm hand in response to their out of control loser antics.

I think you're correct in theory (from a psychological and historical perspective), but this is unworkable in practice. The level of brutality and violence necessary to pacify Muslim populations into submission to Western norms and laws is simply impossible to achieve in 2016. The internet and social media would result in broadcasting this (wholly necessary and just) anti-Muslim violence to the entire Muslim world. You couldn't just sweep it under the rug. The crackdown would simply inflame Muslims even further against the West. Civil war ends up being inevitable either way: either they start it (the current reality) or you start it by fighting back and bringing in all their "moderates" off the sidelines. In the past you could get away with using sheer brutality to crush people like this, but that isn't possible today given how quickly information (and especially video) can spread.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(07-14-2016 09:43 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 09:18 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

Many current ISIS sympathizers and even actual terrorists were completely secular not so long ago and can easily be so again. It's an ideological fever that exists for a number of reasons which are essentially psychological and sexual in nature. It can be broken and the Muslim population in Europe can be largely subdued and pacified. They will also have greater respect for the west -- and a greater desire to assimilate -- once they encounter something like a firm hand in response to their out of control loser antics.

I think you're correct in theory (from a psychological and historical perspective), but this is unworkable in practice. The level of brutality and violence necessary to pacify Muslim populations into submission to Western norms and laws is simply impossible to achieve in 2016. The internet and social media would result in broadcasting this (wholly necessary and just) anti-Muslim violence to the entire Muslim world. You couldn't just sweep it under the rug. The crackdown would simply inflame Muslims even further against the West. Civil war ends up being inevitable either way: either they start it (the current reality) or you start it by fighting back and bringing in all their "moderates" off the sidelines. In the past you could get away with using sheer brutality to crush people like this, but that isn't possible today given how quickly information (and especially video) can spread.

It will not require some sort of unthinkable level of brutality and violence. I described the steps in an earlier post:

(07-14-2016 07:59 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

The following will do it:

1. Aggressive and intrusive operations inside the worst Muslim neighborhoods; as in, 30-50 special forces guys descending on a supposed "no go" neighborhood and cleaning it up, rounding up and detaining/deporting dozens or hundreds of suspects, known ISIS sympathizers, agitators, etc, killing quite a few of them in the process. Repeated many times.

2. The above followed by very aggressive policing of these neighborhoods. No more "no go" zones, no more free for all. Any mosques, schools, "community centers" and other places of gathering where propaganda was going on are shut down. A policy of zero tolerance for the spread of ISIS ideology.

3. Close the borders, no more "refugees" or "migrants". A substantial portion of current refugees (non-citizens) are deported, especially younger males.

4. A complete military defeat of the ISIS state on the ground, their army destroyed, their leaders and commanders killed, all their territory reconquered.

All of this is easily doable given the political will, it does not require "civil war", "genocide", or even a mass expulsion of all or most Muslims from Europe. The political will is a matter of a few more attacks on the scale of Nice.

It's basically a combination of very aggressive, intrusive and sustained law enforcement at home and military action abroad.

This is absolutely doable, and if there are more attacks on this scale something like it is more or less inevitable.

[scorpion]

That's not the brutal part. The brutal part is what you have to do when formerly peaceful Muslims react violently en masse to your proposal. That's when things spiral out of control.

[The Lizard of Oz]

(07-14-2016 09:55 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

That's not the brutal part. The brutal part is what you have to do when formerly peaceful Muslims react violently en masse to your proposal. That's when things spiral out of control.

They will not react violently en masse. There will be a few riots here and there, then resistance will fizzle out. They will be cowed by serious and sustained (but measured) use of force.

[porscheguy]

(07-14-2016 09:55 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

That's not the brutal part. The brutal part is what you have to do when formerly peaceful Muslims react violently en masse to your proposal. That's when things spiral out of control.

If they react violently, then they weren't very peaceful to begin with, were they?

[budoslavic]

[Sidney Crosby]

But it's a peaceful religion......

[Captainstabbin]

(07-14-2016 09:55 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

That's not the brutal part. The brutal part is what you have to do when formerly peaceful Muslims react violently en masse to your proposal. That's when things spiral out of control.

Something my dad told me about the first Iraq war, people back then were saying how America would get trounced because we weren't dealing with regular people, they were religious fundamentalists ready to die for their cause. The reality was supposedly hardened soldiers giving up en masse and surrendering to news crews.

Once you take out a few leaders, the rank and file goat fuckers will go back to their previous lives.



Despite their current weakness, there are some great things about France.

[RexImperator]

I just missed it but I think someone on CNN was blaming Trump's rhetoric...

[RexImperator]

Quote:

there are some great things about France.

Zat ass

[ElFlaco]

For some reason, this one has hit me harder than all the ones before it, except 9/11. Maybe it's the photos. Or the innocence of a public festival contrasted with the brutality of being mowed down by a truck. Or just the sheer weight of one senseless, vicious attack after another.

I mention my reaction not to be self-indulgent here but to wonder aloud if others are experiencing the same thing. Elites will not do an about face over this but more and more ordinary people must be reaching a breaking point, at least in their hearts if not publicly. The emperor's clothes are vanishing ...

[Travesty]

This one hasn't hit me at all completely stoic.

I donated more money to Trump and bet more money on him today after hearing this.

I messaged a few of my friends so they know how bad things are getting. The average American has no idea how bad it is getting over there. They are playing Pokemon Go or doing the new diet for a summer 6 pack and that's just the men, we all know most American women are completely hopeless.

Hell when I was in Medellin I had a phat ass and I mean the phattest assed set a can of peanuts on while she is walking Colombian chick tell me about the Paris attack happening and wanted to have an hour long philosophical debate about. Never happen in America.

[El Chinito loco]

(07-14-2016 09:51 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 07:59 PM)The Lizard of Oz Wrote:  

The following will do it:

1. Aggressive and intrusive operations inside the worst Muslim neighborhoods; as in, 30-50 special forces guys descending on a supposed "no go" neighborhood and cleaning it up, rounding up and detaining/deporting dozens or hundreds of suspects, known ISIS sympathizers, agitators, etc, killing quite a few of them in the process. Repeated many times.

2. The above followed by very aggressive policing of these neighborhoods. No more "no go" zones, no more free for all. Any mosques, schools, "community centers" and other places of gathering where propaganda was going on are shut down. A policy of zero tolerance for the spread of ISIS ideology.

3. Close the borders, no more "refugees" or "migrants". A substantial portion of current refugees (non-citizens) are deported, especially younger males.

4. A complete military defeat of the ISIS state on the ground, their army destroyed, their leaders and commanders killed, all their territory reconquered.

All of this is easily doable given the political will, it does not require "civil war", "genocide", or even a mass expulsion of all or most Muslims from Europe. The political will is a matter of a few more attacks on the scale of Nice.

It's basically a combination of very aggressive, intrusive and sustained law enforcement at home and military action abroad.

This is absolutely doable, and if there are more attacks on this scale something like it is more or less inevitable.

This is almost word for word how China handles its muslim problem in the western provinces. They combine this with media lockdown which prevents muslim proselytizing and glorification of martyrs after a terror attack too. It's pretty effective overall especially since the islamic militants are even more well funded and trained than the ones you see in the west.

[Bacchus]

No info about the suspect has been released yet. We're sure this isn't just a woman driver?

[Travesty]

Or an Asian that forgot to wear his contacts? No, that's racist.

[YossariansRight]

(07-14-2016 10:14 PM)Captainstabbin Wrote:  

(07-14-2016 09:55 PM)scorpion Wrote:  

That's not the brutal part. The brutal part is what you have to do when formerly peaceful Muslims react violently en masse to your proposal. That's when things spiral out of control.

Something my dad told me about the first Iraq war, people back then were saying how America would get trounced because we weren't dealing with regular people, they were religious fundamentalists ready to die for their cause. The reality was supposedly hardened soldiers giving up en masse and surrendering to news crews.

Once you take out a few leaders, the rank and file goat fuckers will go back to their previous lives.



Despite their current weakness, there are some great things about France.

It's "us vs. them". There is no gray area, no middle ground. You can't rationalize with them, they're sub animals. The solution to the Mohammaden problem is pretty obvious, to those that live in the real world, anyway.