[Foolsgo1d]

(07-17-2016 08:41 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Britain managed to get out by the skin of their balls, at 52-48. But France has DOUBLE the Muslim population Britain does. Seems very unlikely for the country to survive via democratic means.

France's best hope is that the Muzzies don't vote on the next election, because of apathy or stupidity, which is still a very real possibility. Even in England's EU referendum, the turnout was much higher among natives.

Personally though, I think France is fucked. It may be the case that only Anglo countries survive the PC disease, because of their strong traditions of freedom of speech.

Every hotspot in the UK which has a good number of Muslims you will find voter fraud. The community leaders there tell their follows who to vote for and will go out of there way to create fake voters.

The women have no say but their voting cards are used.

The problem Muslims have, in areas such as Birmingham is that they are outnumbered by Indian and black migrants and their descendants. Add onto the white population who have seen the city turned into Falluja 2.0, you've got a decent voting bloc who will vote for Brexit.

Birmingham showed up as 'Brexit' which surprised me until I thought about it.

All areas with predominantly Muslim enclaves voted to stay in. So when people speak of Le Pen getting into power where they have more than double the Muslim population of the UK I simply do not see how she can overcome the Marxists and their Muslim cohorts.

[Irenicus]

(07-17-2016 08:41 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

Britain managed to get out by the skin of their balls, at 52-48. But France has DOUBLE the Muslim population Britain does. Seems very unlikely for the country to survive via democratic means.

France's best hope is that the Muzzies don't vote on the next election, because of apathy or stupidity, which is still a very real possibility. Even in England's EU referendum, the turnout was much higher among natives.

Personally though, I think France is fucked. It may be the case that only Anglo countries survive the PC disease, because of their strong traditions of freedom of speech.

The UK is a very good example that, despite brainwashing and scaremongering the local populace for decades, there is still hope. When people get pissed off, there is nothing stopping them.


Do not give up on the French. Not too long ago, FN lost the elections, because the Cucks and the Leftoids made an alliance of sorts. That happened before the Invasion started in earnest. Now, after Paris, Nice, the ever growing deep distrust of the MSM and the rise of Trump, that will be no longer possible. I see FN winning next year. And yes, a lot of blood will flow on the streets when France finally starts sweeping the undesirables.

[Leonard D Neubache]

The finances of most modern nations are teetering on the edge of complete implosion regardless.

The only thing stopping the boat from sinking seems to be a gentleman's agreement between the globalist lackey rulers occupying the vast majority of positions of power throughout the west.

A Trump victory or a couple of LaPens gaining power could be the kill-shot that ends every major currency in a screaming shit-fit, in which case it's every region for themselves, and we'll all be laughing about the good old days when we used to think power was gained and held by picking up some extra votes in a few marginal electorates.

[budoslavic]

[911]

(07-17-2016 03:29 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 12:50 AM)911 Wrote:  

OK, let's pull up the stats and compare the number of people killed in both countries then. BTW, it doesn't matter if those were killed with a grenade launcher or a plastic spork, when you're dead, you're dead.

That's not what I said.

I said that a terrorist is more dangerous than a mugger and an AK-47 is more dangerous than a knife.

These are basic facts.

Quote:

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info...ance/Crime

Murder rate:
Brazil 22
France 1.31

Murders:
Brazil 40,974 Ranked 1st (60 times more than France)
France 682, Ranked 37th.

Intentional homicide rate:
Brazil 27, Ranked 12th. (17 times more than France)
France 1.63, Ranked 34th.


About 100 people died in Nice mowed down by the terrorist truck. Annually, about 650 people are killed in France. So about a 15% increase from the baseline. So the homicide rate goes up from 1.63 to around 1.87. Compare with Brazil's 27, still orders of magnitude more violent (about 15 times more...)

Apples and oranges.

Total murder rates and tourist death rates are not even close.

Of course, you already know this, as does everyone else who's ever left their home country.

How many TOURISTS are killed in Brazill annually? 2 or 3.

How many TOURISTS were killed in France in 2015? Dozens, from at least 19 different countries.

And then you consider the fact that France is experiencing dramatically more terrorist attacks as time goes on and the overall random nature of terrorist attacks.

Meanwhile Brazil receives more and more tourists each year without seeing any noticeable increase in tourist murders.

A risk analyst is going to choose the situation that's fairly static and predictible over the one that's highly volatile.

No, you look at the baselines, and study the amplitude in changes. The homicide rate would have to increase by 1,500% (15x) in France in order to reach Brazil levels.

To put things in perspective, there have been about as many people getting killed in Brazil every year as in Syria...

And, do you really believe that in a country with 60,000 homicides annually, only 2 or 3 tourists are killed?!? Is Baghdad Bob running the tourist information office in Brazil?

(07-17-2016 01:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 12:50 AM)911 Wrote:  

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info...ance/Crime

Stats from 2011. I wonder if anything has happened since 2011...?

Here are the stats through 2015:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide#S..._en_France

Homicides went up from 660 to 811. In Brazil during the same period, they went up from 40,000 to near 60,000. 75 times as many as in France, a country only 3 times smaller.

OK I'm done with this tangent. Main point: don't avoid traveling to France for fear of terrorism. If anything, take advantage of lower tourist numbers in months to come.

[Samseau]

911 Wrote:

(07-17-2016 01:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 12:50 AM)911 Wrote:  

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info...ance/Crime

Stats from 2011. I wonder if anything has happened since 2011...?

Here are the stats through 2015:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide#S..._en_France

Homicides went up from 660 to 811. In Brazil during the same period, they went up from 40,000 to near 60,000. 75 times as many as in France, a country only 3 times smaller.

OK I'm done with this tangent. Main point: don't avoid traveling to France for fear of terrorism. If anything, take advantage of lower tourist numbers in months to come.

The actual number is higher at 932 and climbing:

http://www.inhesj.fr/sites/default/files/ba2015.pdf

Wikipedia's sources do not match what is on their page. Always be aware of wikipedia bias and check the sources.

Meanwhile, the increasing homicides reflect what everyone guesses is reality: the migrant surge that started at the end of 2015 have lead to a massive surge in crime all across Europe. 2016 will doubtlessly be worse.

And the 60K murders that happen in Brazil mean very little, because they vary according to where government control is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_B...ian_states

Sao Paulo, for example, has a lower homicide rate than many American cities.

Contrast that to a place like France where political correctness leaves you wondering how safe you actually are in government zones.

[TonySandos]

(07-16-2016 05:28 PM)blck Wrote:  

(07-16-2016 01:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

This one made me laugh hard, Let's kick them out even if they're white french !

Or just you because you're obviously the problem.


I don't feel bad or "wayyycist!" about this comment at all. IF whatever African country you come from was suffering the same ills, you would have an utter fit if some made a similar comment along the lines that you did.

Why not just be honest instead of cowering behind shallow snark? It's actually legitimate and understandable to say; "As an African(and possibly muslim), this discussion of expelling non-Frank migrants bothers me. I'm concerned that if that were to happen, I would be included. I would like to find solutions that would allow people like myself to stay."

See? That wasn't hard at all, but I don't believe that's your motivation, which is why I suspect you of being a rent seeker. You're caught up trying to bleed a system of its resources rather than contribute to it. You're just the average, despicable pest trying to shame people for daring to secure their survival.

[TonySandos]

(07-16-2016 03:45 PM)kinnikinik Wrote:  

(07-16-2016 12:17 PM)Requiem Wrote:  

I'd like every one of my European brothers to read this. Don't be discouraged by the plain title or the first sentence.

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.de/2016/07/no...ilies.html

The first sentence wasn't a problem but "This is white privledge and it's a moral imperative." sure is... REALLY? the solution to the world's ills is to go back in time to colonial racism?

No where did the blog suggest that. Aggressive protectionism isn't "colonial racism". The writer drew a single parallel because it was a good example.

You're not European, so why enter this dialog anyway?

[911]

(07-17-2016 06:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

911 Wrote:

(07-17-2016 01:44 AM)Samseau Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 12:50 AM)911 Wrote:  

http://www.nationmaster.com/country-info...ance/Crime

Stats from 2011. I wonder if anything has happened since 2011...?

Here are the stats through 2015:

https://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Homicide#S..._en_France

Homicides went up from 660 to 811. In Brazil during the same period, they went up from 40,000 to near 60,000. 75 times as many as in France, a country only 3 times smaller.

OK I'm done with this tangent. Main point: don't avoid traveling to France for fear of terrorism. If anything, take advantage of lower tourist numbers in months to come.

The actual number is higher at 932 and climbing:

http://www.inhesj.fr/sites/default/files/ba2015.pdf

Wikipedia's sources do not match what is on their page. Always be aware of wikipedia bias and check the sources.

Meanwhile, the increasing homicides reflect what everyone guesses is reality: the migrant surge that started at the end of 2015 have lead to a massive surge in crime all across Europe. 2016 will doubtlessly be worse.

And the 60K murders that happen in Brazil mean very little, because they vary according to where government control is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_B...ian_states

Sao Paulo, for example, has a lower homicide rate than many American cities.

Contrast that to a place like France where political correctness leaves you wondering how safe you actually are in government zones.

Sao Paulo is very safe by Brazilian standards, half the crime rate of Rio, with "only" about 2,000 homicides annually. Paris has around 100.



The muslim criminal element in France is not from the recent migrant surge, it's mostly about 2nd generation immigrants from the "banlieues". France hasn't had the type of open-door policies that Germany, Sweden or the UK have had the last decade.

[nomadbrah]

(07-17-2016 06:22 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

(07-16-2016 03:45 PM)kinnikinik Wrote:  

(07-16-2016 12:17 PM)Requiem Wrote:  

I'd like every one of my European brothers to read this. Don't be discouraged by the plain title or the first sentence.

http://nwioqeqkdf.blogspot.de/2016/07/no...ilies.html

The first sentence wasn't a problem but "This is white privledge and it's a moral imperative." sure is... REALLY? the solution to the world's ills is to go back in time to colonial racism?

No where did the blog suggest that. Aggressive protectionism isn't "colonial racism". The writer drew a single parallel because it was a good example.

You're not European, so why enter this dialog anyway?

Because these non-europeans feel entitled to behaving like sh*t and still getting money. It's almost impossible to believe, you don't want to believe it, but these immigrants really are that ungrateful and they have to go back.

[Libertas]

The reason why Le Pen won't win isn't primarily because of all the Saracens in the country, although that is part of it.

The reason why Le Pen won't win next year is because the voting system in France was designed specifically to keep FN out of power. Remember last December when FN won "the first round" of many regions, and then the socialists withdrew their candidates so that Sarkozy's cuckservatives could get in with strategic voting in "the second round?"

The biggest opponent to Le Pen isn't the Muslim vote. It still wouldn't be enough to keep her out of power on its own. It's the two round voting system which was designed specifically to keep FN out.

Watch what will happen next year. She'll win the first round of the presidential election but fail to get over 50% of the vote so it'll go to two rounds and then Sarkozy will win because the left wing coalition of the aggrieved will join the cuckservatives to keep her out.

The only real hope for France democratically is if the cucks join FN in a massive alliance, but that isn't likely and in the next two decades that's when the tipping point will be reached.

[budoslavic]

[TonySandos]

Better yet, I saw that same cartoon translated into French

[spokepoker]

Did it say anything about just giving him flowers?

[Vronski]

(07-17-2016 06:00 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

And the 60K murders that happen in Brazil mean very little, because they vary according to where government control is.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_B...ian_states

There is no such thing as "places where government control is" in Brasil.

If Sao Paulo has a lower homicide rate than Rio, it's simply because the favelas are not within the city but in the "periferia", contrarily to Rio where there is huge favelas (Pavao, Pavaozinho, Tabajara, Babilonia, Chapeu de Mangueira, ect) in the very heart of Zona Sul (Copacabana, Ipanema, Botafogo, Leblon, ect ect). As a side note, crime in Rio is getting worse. The favela pacification has been a huge failure, and the favela rats are back in numbers. Currently, lots of muggings -including on the beach- and arrastaos (bandits block the road and start a mass-robbing) in Zona Sul (first hand reports from Brasilian friends). I feel much safer in Paris.

[Enigma]

(07-17-2016 05:34 PM)911 Wrote:  

No, you look at the baselines, and study the amplitude in changes. The homicide rate would have to increase by 1,500% (15x) in France in order to reach Brazil levels.

To put things in perspective, there have been about as many people getting killed in Brazil every year as in Syria...

And, do you really believe that in a country with 60,000 homicides annually, only 2 or 3 tourists are killed?!? Is Baghdad Bob running the tourist information office in Brazil?

If there are more than 2 or 3 tourists killed each year, then show me statistics, news stories, or any other form of proof.

Brazil has been getting hammered by the Western media for months over it's "rising crime rate" and how it's so unsafe for Olympic tourists -- clearly you should be able to give me quantifiable proof of tourists being killed.

Meanwhile the French and the Western media are actively covering up crime by migrants and Muslims in France.

You keep calling to stats, then don't provide stats.

You accuse me of having emotional bias, then make the argument "do you really believe...?"

It doesn't matter what I believe, it matters what the facts are.

The facts are the overall murder rate is higher than the tourist murder rate in every country on the planet.

This is true of Brazil, this is true of the Philippines, where I have lived for over two years, this true of Africa, of Mexico, of the Dominican Republic, and on and on.

That's because tourists aren't living in favelas, aren't selling meth, aren't prostituting themselves for $5.

Tourists, particularly white, Western tourists, are also much less likely to be killed because their deaths draw international scrutiny, which means their killers are more likely to be targeted by police and less likely to get away with the murder.

Again, these are all basic facts that anyone on this forum who's traveled to developing countries (we have an entire section dedicated to it) can confirm.

The fact that you're trying to argue that a tourist in Brazil is equally as likely to be murdered as some impoverished street kid living in a sprawling favela is absolutely absurd and proves that you have no leg to stand on.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-17-2016 06:51 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

...
The only real hope for France democratically is if the cucks join FN in a massive alliance, but that isn't likely and in the next two decades that's when the tipping point will be reached.

A few months doesn't go by as quickly or as boringly as it used to.

There is literally no telling what could occur between now and Trumpvember, much less the next French election.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-16-2016 05:28 PM)blck Wrote:  

(07-16-2016 01:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

This one made me laugh hard, Let's kick them out even if they're white french !

I second that motion. I've never met a white muslim that didn't hate the west as much if not more than his black and arab brethren.

They're made largely of a mix of female attention seekers and frustrated male incels.

So, yeah. Fuck them off to Islamistan with the rest. Absolutely. I wouldn't want anyone thinking this was a racial thing.

[blck]

(07-17-2016 06:08 PM)TonySandos Wrote:  

(07-16-2016 05:28 PM)blck Wrote:  

(07-16-2016 01:45 PM)Samseau Wrote:  

https://i.sli.mg/zafZ4E.png

This one made me laugh hard, Let's kick them out even if they're white french !

Or just you because you're obviously the problem.

I don't feel bad or "wayyycist!" about this comment at all. IF whatever African country you come from was suffering the same ills, you would have an utter fit if some made a similar comment along the lines that you did.

Why not just be honest instead of cowering behind shallow snark? It's actually legitimate and understandable to say; "As an African(and possibly muslim), this discussion of expelling non-Frank migrants bothers me. I'm concerned that if that were to happen, I would be included. I would like to find solutions that would allow people like myself to stay."

See? That wasn't hard at all, but I don't believe that's your motivation, which is why I suspect you of being a rent seeker. You're caught up trying to bleed a system of its resources rather than contribute to it. You're just the average, despicable pest trying to shame people for daring to secure their survival.

Come on Tony, I live in this country for decade now and I've seen the evolution.

Don't need to feel bad or "wayyycist!" I don't want to know about your feelings, just explain how to expell all muslims or even stop Muslim immigration in France in a "realistic" way that can solve the problem, even knowing that the politics don't want to at all.
My comment was about kicking white converted muslims out as Islam already crossed the race barriers, a lot of them are now married with black and arabian folks here
France colonized a lot of countries and provide work and the french nationality for their citizen as a trade (morocco, senegal, mali, tunisia, algeria, west indies and more) and now you think that they'll kick them out ?

There are too many things at play to let them go (halal market, terror they inspire, and who gonna do the dirty work: collect the garbage or clean the floor of our office...)
The solution would have been to not give them the nationality in the first place and let them go back in their country when they finished their jobs, like other european countries do but those you want to expell are now here for more than 70 years for some, they got (a lot of) childrens who got (a lot of) childrens integrated in the society.

The reality is that the disease already spread

Previous president Sarkozy made a speech yesterday about closing all the mosquee and cult places but do you really think that even if he does it it will solve the problem ?
He also made a speech in 2006 about "how if you don't love France you need to leave" (and then retracted when he got elected) but in the same time under his government a lot of muslim countries closed their doors to european citizen.

All promesses given by those politics are demagogy to get elected, once they're in place nothing move but maybe I'm wrong and they'll do something this time, I'm still here to see how things will go...

PS: About me being an african muslim rent seeker bleeding a system of its resources You are right !

[Vienna]

French PM Manuel Valls booed at Nice memorial. They're calling for his resignation.

[rotekz]

Dupe of above, please delete.

[RexImperator]

From 2014:

http://www.frontpagemag.com/point/214086...greenfield

Quote:

FRENCH CITY WITH 40% MUSLIM POPULATION IS THE MOST DANGEROUS CITY IN EUROPE

Muslims have now set up unofficial checkpoints in various parts of Marseille...a European drug-smuggling hub, a place where entire neighborhoods have slipped away from police control and fallen under the command of gangsters who earn millions importing and selling North African hashish and settle turf disputes with AK-47 assault rifles.

“Marseille is sick with its violence,” Interior Minister Manuel Valls said.

[Vronski]

^^^^^

One can state with certainty that Marseille is (since a decade or more) an arabic city. Aix en Provence is following the same path for that matter.

[911]

(07-18-2016 04:25 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

(07-17-2016 05:34 PM)911 Wrote:  

No, you look at the baselines, and study the amplitude in changes. The homicide rate would have to increase by 1,500% (15x) in France in order to reach Brazil levels.

To put things in perspective, there have been about as many people getting killed in Brazil every year as in Syria...

And, do you really believe that in a country with 60,000 homicides annually, only 2 or 3 tourists are killed?!? Is Baghdad Bob running the tourist information office in Brazil?

If there are more than 2 or 3 tourists killed each year, then show me statistics, news stories, or any other form of proof.

Brazil has been getting hammered by the Western media for months over it's "rising crime rate" and how it's so unsafe for Olympic tourists -- clearly you should be able to give me quantifiable proof of tourists being killed.

Meanwhile the French and the Western media are actively covering up crime by migrants and Muslims in France.

You keep calling to stats, then don't provide stats.

You accuse me of having emotional bias, then make the argument "do you really believe...?"

It doesn't matter what I believe, it matters what the facts are.

The facts are the overall murder rate is higher than the tourist murder rate in every country on the planet.

This is true of Brazil, this is true of the Philippines, where I have lived for over two years, this true of Africa, of Mexico, of the Dominican Republic, and on and on.

That's because tourists aren't living in favelas, aren't selling meth, aren't prostituting themselves for $5.

Tourists, particularly white, Western tourists, are also much less likely to be killed because their deaths draw international scrutiny, which means their killers are more likely to be targeted by police and less likely to get away with the murder.

Again, these are all basic facts that anyone on this forum who's traveled to developing countries (we have an entire section dedicated to it) can confirm.

The fact that you're trying to argue that a tourist in Brazil is equally as likely to be murdered as some impoverished street kid living in a sprawling favela is absolutely absurd and proves that you have no leg to stand on.

Your argument is that only 2 or 3 tourists are killed in a country with 60,000 homicides and 20 million plus visitors annually...

My argument is that high crime countries with a tourist industry like Brazil or the Dominican grossly underreport tourist crime for obvious reasons.

[Mercenary]

One thing that no one has really talked much about here is the significance of that fact that this event occurred on Bastille Day. The national holiday remembering the start of the French revolution in 1789 that defines the birth of "modern" France.

Think about that.
This would be like if the 11th September 2001 attacks in USA occurred on the 4th of July 2001 instead. How would the USA continue to celebrate their independence day if those events happened on that day ?

From now on the official patriotic national holiday of France is forever tainted and ruined.

Instead of fireworks every year, from now on they will be in mourning for the adults and small children killed and injured in this evil & horrific event....and possibly also in mourning for the slow death of France itself.