[RexImperator]

Syria is somewhere I actually wanted to visit in the past, for the old architecture.

[zero1]

I can respect the Christian foundations of Western civilization, in fact I was a Christian most of my life. But at some point one must surely realize, through enough introspection, that there actually is no sky god. We can respect our heritage, our beliefs, and fight the negative cultural influences, leftism, marxism, and illegal immigrants, whilst also putting logic into perspective. We were built by Christian foundations, we can respect that heritage, but it doesn't mean that any "god" exists.

I know conservative atheism seems like a paradoxical phrase, but I believe it's the only truth one can arrive at if they examine everything in life critically enough.

Our evolution is not yet done. If we are to truly progress, we will need to overcome religion just as much as leftism and egalitarianism.

[Samseau]

(07-07-2016 12:22 PM)zero1 Wrote:  

I can respect the Christian foundations of Western civilization, in fact I was a Christian most of my life. But at some point one must surely realize, through enough introspection, that there actually is no sky god.

And you know this because....

[RaccoonFace]

(07-07-2016 12:22 PM)zero1 Wrote:  

We were built by Christian foundations, we can respect that heritage, but it doesn't mean that any "god" exists.

You should read the following thread, but you probably lack the humility to even consider you could be wrong like most smug atheists.

thread-53245.html

[Liberty Sea]

My opinion is that cultural Marxism is more dangerous than Islam. I explained this in another thread. I will quote it here in full with some modification.

(07-03-2016 06:32 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

(07-03-2016 05:30 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

These people should be recognized as what they are: foot soldiers for Islamic expansion, and the weapon they carry is lies.

I highly doubt that it is the Islamists that are behind the SJW army in the street and the academia, nor are they going to be successful. I simply don't think they have the financial and intellectual power to accomplish that.

My theory is that even the Muslims will get assimilated into the global consumerist culture once they run out of natural oil. So far Muslim countries have resisted Westernization because thank to their oil they can manage a certain degree of economic independence and low industrialization, but it's going to be running out soon. Israel and the US will find new sources of energy with new technology like fracking, solar energy and so on, but the Islamic countries likely won't have the capacity for that and have to get more and more industrialized like developed countries. Full industrialization and greater participation in the machine of global capitalism will eventually change their way of life, sooner or later. They will have to get modernized like Japan and Korea, or fall behind and become irrelevant at best, enslaved at worst. As modernization and later, post-modernization kick in, the importance of God and traditional-religious values in Arab life will dwindle like we see here in the West.

Furthermore, Western and especially American pop culture, with its fascinating youthful energy, has already 'infiltrated' into the way of life of Muslim youths, greatly influencing the value of the next generation. Many young Arab people are just as stepped into pop cultural products as American youths. Islamic countries will get Westernized before we get Islamized. Muslims who live in the west, especially from the second generation on, can be just as blue pill and decadent as liberals, and they are getting more and more so.

The current decadence and insanity in the Western world are partly due to highly-industrialized post-scarcity stale peace, and partly due to the ideological machination of a certain economic and cultural elite class. That elite class is disproportionately, if not overwhelmingly, Jewish. They are the ones who run both the global economy and the Western academia. They also run traditional as well as social media, and pop culture institutions like Hollywood. They have achieved both economic, political and cultural dominance. Modern ideologies like cultural Marxism, later feminism, neoconservatism, etc. are intellectual products of the Jews.

Their goal is, I suspect, to achieve a unified, globalized world where people of all races intermingle and interbreed, become one people and live peacefully under the rule of an enlightened world government run by the Jewish meritocrats, fulfilling their destiny as God's chosen people. Nobody retains their ethnic identity except for the Jews - Globalism for everyone and tribalism for the Jews, like Christianity for all people, and Judaism for the Jews alone. And it seems they're trying to achieve this goal though mostly peaceful means, through economic and soft power.

The attempt to get Muslims accepted into Western culture is, I think, part of this plan. But whatever their goal is, there is little doubt that it's the Jews, and not the Muslims, who hold real dominance in the Western world. The Jews, we should remember, are also considered a protected class, a victim group, but they cannot be as high in the Victim hierarchy as the Muslims, other minorities, and LGBTQA people, simply because they are too successful and too powerful in people's eyes and in reality. It's hard to cry oppression when you belong to the upper end of social inequality. But as soon as you touch them, the cry of anti-Semitism will certainly explode. Like that time when a journalist who hit Melania got hate mails. Even the anti-Israeli left, like Salon, will not hesitate to attack Trump supporters as anti-semitic when they have the chance to. Or, most recently, the outrage over Trump's star of David.

(07-03-2016 08:23 AM)Liberty Sea Wrote:  

Quote:

In the Qur’an, which is believed to be God’s word told to Prophet Muhammad, women and men are described as equals in everyday actions and responsibilities. When it comes to family, charity, children, sex, and much more, a man and a woman have the same duties and that is to continue on the straight path.

In the case that she is honestly deluded and not shamelessly fraudulent, the Islam that she is attracted to is already a watered down, Westernized, Americanized and liberalized Islam. It's clear that she has never been to a Muslim country, and only spoke from her limited interaction with the American-Muslim community. (Even then, she's ignoring many reported facts about the treatment of women in Muslim country) A good Muslim is for her a Muslim who shares liberal values, i.e. little more than a good prude liberal wearing a headscarf.

At any ate, the fact she can only advertise this liberalized version of Islam testifies to the victory of liberal values in the culture war, for getting it any closer to the raw Islam would be unacceptable. As I said, the Muslims will get Westernized/liberalized before we get Islamized. It's already on the way. It only needs time. When immigration occurs too fast at once, immigrants will form their own community and for a while can preserve their own culture, and get to have jobs without learning English/host country language. Slow, bit by bit immigration will make it easier and faster for immigrants to integrate. But eventually, by some generations, under economic pressure and pop-culture allure, they will get assimilated into post-modern liberal, consumerist culture. Soon you will see fat American-Muslim girls like you already see fat American-Asian girls.

The FBI Insider on 4chan confirms as much.

[The Beast1]

Cultural Marxism is the force that is allowing Islam to grow. It rots Christian cultures and instills nihilism in the weaker minds by eliminating moderate voices and innoculating them to degenerate ideals such as homosexuality.

Islam can grow and is protected in this environment. Cultural Marxists' end goal is total Islamic control and destruction of Christiandom. They're essentially deconstructing everything to allow a new and insidious culture to form on the remains of the old. It's why you'll see liberals say stuff like, "Migrant rape isn't the same as rape by a white guy."

The irony is, Islam will literally chop the head off of cultural Marxists.

[rotekz]

(07-08-2016 02:38 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Cultural Marxists' end goal is total Islamic control and destruction of Christiandom. They're essentially deconstructing everything to allow a new and insidious culture to form on the remains of the old.

Is it not societal collapse that they desire? It is the only way that socialism can get established. They see the spread of Islam as a tool to hasten this collapse, the same goes for the race wars being stoked.

Cultural Marxists want to live under socialist rule, not Islam. They bank on defeating Islam later.

Ex-Seal Matthew Bracken published a prophetic article last year on the coming World War between International Socialism, Islam and Nationalism.

Tet, Take Two: Islam’s 2016 European Offensive

Quote:

9. The End Game

If the traitor elites can imagine sufficiently far into the future, then they must surely see international socialism lining up next for its climactic struggle against Islam, which shall be fought atop the still-warm corpse of European nationalism. Will these traitor-elite international socialists be able to hold the line against the ultimate victory of Islamic supremacism in Europe, or anywhere?

[The Beast1]

(07-08-2016 03:41 AM)rotekz Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 02:38 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Cultural Marxists' end goal is total Islamic control and destruction of Christiandom. They're essentially deconstructing everything to allow a new and insidious culture to form on the remains of the old.

Is it not societal collapse that they desire? It is the only way that socialism can get established. They see the spread of Islam as a tool to hasten this collapse, the same goes for the race wars being stoked.

Cultural Marxists want to live under socialist rule, not Islam. They bank on defeating Islam later.

Ex-Seal Matthew Bracken published a prophetic article last year on the coming World War between International Socialism, Islam and Nationalism.

Tet, Take Two: Islam’s 2016 European Offensive

Quote:

9. The End Game

If the traitor elites can imagine sufficiently far into the future, then they must surely see international socialism lining up next for its climactic struggle against Islam, which shall be fought atop the still-warm corpse of European nationalism. Will these traitor-elite international socialists be able to hold the line against the ultimate victory of Islamic supremacism in Europe, or anywhere?

I know what you're saying: socialists using Islam and liberalism as a means to usher in their world view.

However, I don't think the socialists and the elites (Soros et al) have the ability to control their Frankenstein Islam. Once the militant Islamists have the tools they need such weapons, bodies, and guided nuclear weapons who is to say that the creation won't go and kill its master?

A lot of this is very apocalyptic. The socialists will realize they're in over their heads with the behemoath they've created.

[RexImperator]

I recently heard this interesting program about how the Salafists are infiltrating African countries, thanks to funding from the gulf states:

http://www.pri.org/programs/america-abro...-extremism

Quote:

In this episode of America Abroad, we explore the historical role of Islam in Africa, how Islamist groups have taken hold in parts of it, and what's being done to resist them; We hear from people on the ground in Kenya, Nigeria and Uganda; And we learn about the role of Middle Eastern countries in exporting more radical forms of Islam to sub-Saharan Africa through mosques and madrasas.

Africa has had it's own Sufi brand of Islam, which was kind of a "cultural Islam" or a hybrid blended with local indigenous beliefs, but it is being "purified" as we see the rise of groups like Al Shabaab and Boku Haram.

[rotekz]

Once Trump gets in this might actually happen.

Quote:

The Tears of Jihad is a summary of the deaths caused by jihad against the Kafir for 1400 years. It is the greatest story never told. Presidents Bush and Obama have denied this history. Our history talks about the invasion of Turks, Arabs, Saracens, Berbers, and Moors, but does not call it jihad. Our most recent report of the 9/11 attacks omits jihad. No explanation is ever given of why the native culture is always annihilated after Islam invades and puts Sharia law in place.

In the twentieth century over two million Armenian and Syrian Christians were killed in jihad. Who knows the details? We need a museum devoted to the greatest suffering in history. It would document the annihilation of Christian, Buddhist, Hindu, and polytheist cultures. It would document slavery, rape and how apologists for Islam deny all of this history.

The Museum would show how Islamic doctrine drives history--cause and effect. We would have accredited scholars giving seminars and debates. The Museum would have a physical center as well as a web presence.

We need to document the suffering, so it can be stopped. Those who do not study history are doomed to repeat it.

Thanks to Danusha Goska: http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/26278...

[godfather dust]

(07-08-2016 04:34 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 03:41 AM)rotekz Wrote:  

(07-08-2016 02:38 AM)The Beast1 Wrote:  

Cultural Marxists' end goal is total Islamic control and destruction of Christiandom. They're essentially deconstructing everything to allow a new and insidious culture to form on the remains of the old.

Is it not societal collapse that they desire? It is the only way that socialism can get established. They see the spread of Islam as a tool to hasten this collapse, the same goes for the race wars being stoked.

Cultural Marxists want to live under socialist rule, not Islam. They bank on defeating Islam later.

Ex-Seal Matthew Bracken published a prophetic article last year on the coming World War between International Socialism, Islam and Nationalism.

Tet, Take Two: Islam’s 2016 European Offensive

Quote:

9. The End Game

If the traitor elites can imagine sufficiently far into the future, then they must surely see international socialism lining up next for its climactic struggle against Islam, which shall be fought atop the still-warm corpse of European nationalism. Will these traitor-elite international socialists be able to hold the line against the ultimate victory of Islamic supremacism in Europe, or anywhere?

I know what you're saying: socialists using Islam and liberalism as a means to usher in their world view.

However, I don't think the socialists and the elites (Soros et al) have the ability to control their Frankenstein Islam. Once the militant Islamists have the tools they need such weapons, bodies, and guided nuclear weapons who is to say that the creation won't go and kill its master?

A lot of this is very apocalyptic. The socialists will realize they're in over their heads with the behemoath they've created.

If Muslims (the ones who follow the religion the way it's laid out, IE kill rape rob etc. not the secular ones) get their hands on nuclear weapons it's game over. Extinction of humanity.

Anyone know how many nukes are in Europe? I think the Europeans have become too pussified to stop Islam from taking over, and it doesn't help that they are mostly disarmed.

[dain_bramage]

Well this is the UK nuclear weapon platform:

The Vanguard-class is a British class of nuclear-powered ballistic missile submarines (SSBN) in service with the Royal Navy. Each submarine is armed with up to 16 UGM-133 Trident II missiles.

The UK is thought to retain a stockpile of around 225 thermonuclear warheads, of which 160 are operational, but has refused to declare the exact size of its arsenal.[3]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nuclear_we...ed_Kingdom

[rotekz]

#fightforwesterncivilisation is starting to trend. Twitter will soon censor it.

[Kid Twist]

My question is, just like guys in a locker room talking about women, but then men being afraid to tell women the truth in real life (out loud), what can you actually do at this point about the muslimeen?

Here are things I know you can do (in the politically correct spectrum) to save appearances:

1. Shut down immigration from XYZ countries
2. Create a culture where spying on muslims is in accordance with federal law.
3. Publicly speak about how the past leaders were liars about the issues (can you go so far as to say that Shari'a is antithetical to our laws? I don't know).

The problem is, the only solution is getting these people out of your society, or banning it like communism, outright.

I just don't see that happening. Which is why civil war and/or military coup, anything that restarts a new country would be necessary.

Any thoughts?

[h3ltrsk3ltr]

(07-07-2016 06:05 PM)RaccoonFace Wrote:  

(07-07-2016 12:22 PM)zero1 Wrote:  

We were built by Christian foundations, we can respect that heritage, but it doesn't mean that any "god" exists.

You should read the following thread, but you probably lack the humility to even consider you could be wrong like most smug atheists.

thread-53245.html

This is the most ass backwards comment, RaccoonFace. Nowhere does he show any smugness in that post. You, on the other hand display a gross lack of humility while accusing him of the same. I'm starting to see a pattern in christian thinking...
1. Ridicule
2. Throw a tantrum
3. Storm off

At least Samseau is engaging in the discussion, which seems to be a rare method for a lot of you fellas in the christian camp.

[Ghost Tiger]

(07-15-2016 09:09 AM)h3ltrsk3ltr Wrote:  

Nowhere does he show any smugness in that post.

Exhibit A (smugness):

(07-07-2016 12:22 PM)zero1 Wrote:  

But at some point one must surely realize, through enough introspection, that there actually is no sky god.

If you cannot see how this statement is smug, then you need to do more introspection.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(07-13-2016 03:06 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

...
Anyone know how many nukes are in Europe? I think the Europeans have become too pussified to stop Islam from taking over, and it doesn't help that they are mostly disarmed.

It's worthwhile remembering that the use of force is not a democratic process. It's also worth remembering that native Europeans make excellent organised killers when motivated.

It would take only a small fraction of the population to decide enough was enough. The police would be irrelevant. There would be trouble if the military decided to side with the globalists and the muslims, but I seriously doubt that. At worst they would be dragging their heels at every turn.

There would be a muslim exodus of biblical proportions as soon as the French nationalists spat the dummy, and there would be no differentiation between "moderates" and "extremists" either.

[Ghost Tiger]

https://twitter.com/Lauren_Southern/stat...9442844672

[h3ltrsk3ltr]

(07-15-2016 09:35 AM)Ghost Tiger Wrote:  

(07-15-2016 09:09 AM)h3ltrsk3ltr Wrote:  

Nowhere does he show any smugness in that post.

Exhibit A (smugness):

(07-07-2016 12:22 PM)zero1 Wrote:  

But at some point one must surely realize, through enough introspection, that there actually is no sky god.

If you cannot see how this statement is smug, then you need to do more introspection.

Sure, if you're being over-sensitive. He presented his opinion respectfully and got shit on.

[RexImperator]

http://www.wbur.org/onpoint/2016/08/18/k...016-essays

^^^ Kareem Abdul-Jabbar talking out of both sides of his mouth about Islam. These Khizr Khan supporters really do have an alternate view of reality.

[Lucky]

Has anyone read the essay from the ISIS magazine titled "Why We Hate You"?

It was just released here.

Some illuminating and grim excerpts:

Quote:

Shortly following the blessed attack on a sodomite, Crusader nightclub by the mujahid Omar Mateen, American politicians were quick to jump into the spotlight and denounce the shooting, declaring it a hate crime, an act of terrorism, and an act of senseless violence. A hate crime? Yes. Muslims undoubtedly hate liberalist sodomites, as does anyone else with any shred of their fitrah (inborn human nature) still intact. An act of terrorism? Most definitely. Muslims have been commanded to terrorize the disbelieving enemies of Allah.

But an act of senseless violence? One would think that the average Westerner, by now, would have abandoned the tired claim that the actions of the mujahidin – who have repeatedly stated their goals, intentions, and motivations – don’t make sense.

Unless you truly – and naively – believe that the crimes of the West against Islam and the Muslims, whether insulting the Prophet g, burning the Quran, or waging war against the Caliphate, won’t prompt brutal retaliation from the mujahidin, you know full well that the likes of the attacks carried out by Omar Mateen, Larossi Aballa, and many others before and after them in revenge for Islam and the Muslims make complete sense. The only thing senseless would be for there to be no violent, fierce retaliation in the first place!

Many Westerners, however, are already aware that claiming the attacks of the mujahidin to be senseless and questioning incessantly as to why we hate the West and why we fight them is nothing more than a political act and a propaganda tool. The politicians will say it regardless of how much it stands in opposition to facts and common sense just to garner as many votes as they can for the next election cycle. The analysts and journalists will say it in order to keep themselves from becoming a target for saying something that the masses deem to be “politically incorrect.”

The point is, people know that it’s foolish, but they keep repeating it regardless because they’re afraid of the consequences of deviating from the script.

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We hate you, first and foremost, because you
are disbelievers; you reject the oneness of Allah –
whether you realize it or not – by making partners
for Him in worship, you blaspheme against Him,
claiming that He has a son, you fabricate lies against
His prophets and messengers, and you indulge in all
manner of devilish practices. It is for this reason that
we were commanded to openly declare our hatred for
you and our enmity towards you.

Quote:

Furthermore, just as your disbelief
is the primary reason we hate you, your disbelief
is the primary reason we fight you, as we have
been commanded to fight the disbelievers until they
submit to the authority of Islam, either by becoming
Muslims, or by paying jizyah – for those afforded this
option – and living in humiliation under the rule of
the Muslims. Thus, even if you were to stop fighting
us, your best-case scenario in a state of war would be
that we would suspend our attacks against you – if we
deemed it necessary – in order to focus on the closer
and more immediate threats, before eventually resuming
our campaigns against you. Apart from the option
of a temporary truce, this is the only likely scenario
that would bring you fleeting respite from our attacks.
So in the end, you cannot bring an indefinite halt to
our war against you.

Quote:

We hate you because your secular, liberal societies
permit the very things that Allah has prohibited
while banning many of the things He has permitted,
a matter that doesn’t concern you because you separate between religion and state, thereby granting supreme authority to your whims and desires via the legislators you vote into power. In doing so, you desire to rob Allah of His right to be obeyed and you wish to usurp that right for yourselves. “Legislation is not but for Allah” (Yusuf 40). Your secular liberalism has led you to tolerate and even support “gay rights,” to allow alcohol, drugs, fornication, gambling, and usury to become widespread, and to encourage the people to mock those who denounce these filthy sins and vices. As such, we wage war against you to stop you from spreading your disbelief and debauchery – your secularism and nationalism, your perverted liberal values, your Christianity and atheism – and all the depravity and corruption they entail.

Quote:

What’s important to understand here is that although some might argue that your foreign policies are the extent of what drives our hatred, this particular reason for hating you is secondary, hence the reason we addressed it at the end of the above list. The fact is, even if you were to stop bombing us, imprisoning
us, torturing us, vilifying us, and usurping our
lands, we would continue to hate you because our primary
reason for hating you will not cease to exist until
you embrace Islam. Even if you were to pay jizyah
and live under the authority of Islam in humiliation,
we would continue to hate you. No doubt, we would
stop fighting you then as we would stop fighting any
disbelievers who enter into a covenant with us, but we
would not stop hating you.

Quote:

So you can continue
to believe that those “despicable terrorists” hate
you because of your lattes and your Timberlands, and
continue spending ridiculous amounts of money to
try to prevail in an unwinnable war, or you can accept
reality and recognize that we will never stop hating
you until you embrace Islam, and will never stop fighting
you until you’re ready to leave the swamp of warfare
and terrorism through the exits we provide

[Pride male]

What if, just what if there was no Israeli state and the West left the Arabs alone? Would there be a 'Muslim' problem?

[debeguiled]

They got a point about the Timberlands.

[budoslavic]

[Samseau]

(08-19-2016 06:28 PM)budoslavic Wrote:  

I don't doubt this, but is there any way you can verify this info?