[Feldeinsamkeit]

(06-07-2016 06:42 AM)Glaucon Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 06:32 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

Shouldn't we rather do everything in our power to encourage the triumph of Islam in Europe and North America?

Do you want a never ending dark age? I rather not.

But we're living in one at the moment with feminism on stilts, which, I might add, will have much further to run and will only drag us down even more culturally-destructive paths in the future.

[Glaucon]

(06-07-2016 06:45 AM)Feldeinsamkeit Wrote:  

But we're living in one at the moment with feminism on stilts, which, I might add, will have much further to run and will only drag us down even more culturally-destructive paths in the future.

Islam is not the answer, and never will be.

[RawGod]

We're at the beginning of a new era and we can't even hope to predict the possible outcomes. I'm talking centuries of conflict. We could see huge victories for our side or theirs in our lifetime, only for a complete reversal a couple of generations after we're dead. Study of history shows that this is how these things play out. Make your choice, take your stand, but history never ends.

Remember we must take the West back from the traitor elites first. Then the barbarian menace will prove to be much less of a threat than we think.

[Leonard D Neubache]

Is it traditional to start political threads on your tenth post in this forum?

[OCZ]

The best solution to tackle migrations will be supporting countries outside the European Union to do the dirty work as I said before. (Just like Turkey is doing it now).

The EU will shortly present a new aid plan to curb the influx of African migrants via Libya, building on the deal it reached with Turkey in March http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36469264

[MidJack]

Regroup in Utah. Launch counteroffensive.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(06-07-2016 09:34 AM)OCZ Wrote:  

The best solution to tackle migrations will be supporting countries outside the European Union to do the dirty work as I said before. (Just like Turkey is doing it now).

The EU will shortly present a new aid plan to curb the influx of African migrants via Libya, building on the deal it reached with Turkey in March http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36469264

This is shortsighted at best, gullible at worst. Turkey is doing ZERO to curb the influx of migrants, just like the Libyan Transnational Government (or whatever's left of it) will. It's just a circus show and a source of kickbacks for both EU and Turkish/Libyan despots.

A country either takes responsibility for itself, or it disappears. There is no other option.

[kaotic]

(06-06-2016 06:31 PM)John Michael Kane Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:13 PM)kaotic Wrote:  

You can't, you don't, you move.

Moving won't count if you bring a hedonist perspective to your new land. A true stand requires men making a healthy patriarchy a reality. That only happens if a man has faith, friends and family. The three F's are what made Western Civilization.

Good luck with that, especially in Europe, only a few countries are taking a stand.

Others are embracing this "diversity" "multiculturalism" etc. Basically losing the battle.

[262]

^^^
Agree. Rollo Tomassi uses this quote to talk about the Red Pill, but it applies almost everywhere else:

"Unplugging men from the Matrix is like triage: save the men you can, and read last rites to the dying."

[47R]

(06-07-2016 10:57 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 09:34 AM)OCZ Wrote:  

The best solution to tackle migrations will be supporting countries outside the European Union to do the dirty work as I said before. (Just like Turkey is doing it now).

The EU will shortly present a new aid plan to curb the influx of African migrants via Libya, building on the deal it reached with Turkey in March http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36469264

This is shortsighted at best, gullible at worst. Turkey is doing ZERO to curb the influx of migrants, just like the Libyan Transnational Government (or whatever's left of it) will. It's just a circus show and a source of kickbacks for both EU and Turkish/Libyan despots.

A country either takes responsibility for itself, or it disappears. There is no other option.

Just for the record, Turkey is now hosting well over 3.000.000 (three million) (number raising every day) immigrants no questions asked.
Where as for the EU, combination of 28 countries with over 14 trillion euros GDP, the promoter of of human welfare and democracy etc. is a immigrant crisis to take care of a lot less than 3 million people who actually run for their lives from the wars that are (IMO) essentially caused again by the western ignorance.
I think Turkey should not sign any deal with EU and send every single immigrant to EU (maybe in one big wave) so they dont live under despots but enjoy the western standards of equality and freedom.

Not here to argue, just trying to show you the other side of the coin..

[Days of Broken Arrows]

I think the question we should ask is why we have to worry about this to begin with. Who is to blame?

The problem we're dealing with came about because of the Immigration and Nationality Act of 1965. That bill drastically altered the demographics of America by opening the floodgates to non-white people, among them Muslims.

The United States had always been a majority white, majority Protestant country. When the country had a wave of Catholic and Jewish immigrants at the turn of the 20th century, people warned it would be for the worse.

Perhaps they were correct. The 1965 bill was written, sponsored and promoted by two Catholics and a Jew.

The Catholics were co-sponsor Senator Philip Hart and the bill's ceaseless promoter, Senator Ted Kennedy. The Jew was fellow co-sponsor and primary author Congressman Emanuel Celler, who had been pushing the idea of letting non-white minorities into the country since the 1920s.

Both Catholics and Jews brought different values into the county that got absorbed into the mainstream. The Catholics brought social justice; the Jews brought feminism and cultural marxism. Neither quite squared with the Protestant Work Ethic, and most of the divides you see in American today, politically speaking, were borne out of the differences between these groups.

So, in conclusion, instead of looking to Muslims as the problem, look to the Catholics and Jews as the groups who created the larger problem -- and continue to make it a problem with the way they vote.

And before anyone starts calling me the reincarnation of the KKK, I'll say that I was raised as a Catholic in an Italian-American family and spent two decades married to a Jew. That's why I can talk straight on this issue, though. I came of age inside the belly of the social justice beast and knew it would lead to no good.

[Handsome Creepy Eel]

(06-08-2016 05:50 AM)47R Wrote:  

Just for the record, Turkey is now hosting well over 3.000.000 (three million) (number raising every day) immigrants no questions asked.

Where as for the EU, combination of 28 countries with over 14 trillion euros GDP, the promoter of of human welfare and democracy etc. is a immigrant crisis to take care of a lot less than 3 million people who actually run for their lives from the wars that are (IMO) essentially caused again by the western ignorance.

I think Turkey should not sign any deal with EU and send every single immigrant to EU (maybe in one big wave) so they dont live under despots but enjoy the western standards of equality and freedom.

Not here to argue, just trying to show you the other side of the coin..

While Turkey is sure doing a lot to help refugees, most of the people coming to Europe are NOT Syrians or any other kind of refugee. Heck, many are not even Arab!

The argument that what Turkey does somehow has any bearing on Europe is absurd. The only reason we keep hearing stuff like "I think Turkey should not sign any deal with EU and send every single immigrant to EU" is because EU is currently ruled by traitors who would actually accept these migrants. If it were ruled by more Victor Orbans and Marine Le Pens, that threat would have no bite at all, simply because the migrants would not have any motivation or means to come to Europe.

Even if Ankara wanted it, this migrant crisis can't be solved by Turkey. It can only be solved by Europe, by:

A) reintroducing strong and guarded borders,
B) removing absolutely all forms of welfare for illegal immigrants
C) instantly deporting any foreigner breaking laws or refusing full assimilation
D) deposing and trying its leaders for treason

Thus, what Turkey chooses to do with refugees does has zero effect on the European migrant crisis.

[Dalaran1991]

To keep my sanity I tried looking at the bright side of it. A Muslim majority is still better than a SJW majority.

Quality of life would probably goes way down and we lose all the European cultural heritage, and the carousel degeneracy + easy sex with hot women will be over, plus discriminatory treatment if you are non-muslim. But also feminists will have to shut the fuck up, wear veils, and might even get executed. No divorce rape law. And polygamy for those who could support it.

Muslim girls are hot too. And if your game is tight you can still game for a blowjob.

Shit, just for seeing feminists being shut off in mass, I'll be happy. Kebab is better than forced-fed feminazi vegan.

[Orion]

All propositions for any kind of bureaucratic arrangement that will solve problems of Europe are nothing but naive hopes.

Anybody who glanced over history books knows that crises of the scope of the one Europe is facing are only resolved by total upheaval, or by conforming to impeding overthrow.

Let no one be fooled that process of involution can be stopped by what amounts to pure demagogy. The altar of your own way of life demands blood for redemption, and only a complete cultural, spiritual and political revival can save what people wish to be saved, coupled with uncompromising, detached, determined, focused and violent action, a brutal annihilation of enemies from all walks of life.

As for Islam, Islam is only the end product Europe will get if it is ultimately defeated. Remember, it's globalism that has won, and Islam is the version that goes to us. All melted in, leveled, desecrated, prevented from any type of differentiation, particularly spiritual, and all stuck in the same dreg to boil in materialistic stew of insatiable appetites. Ironically, only some kind of different globalism, that is, some kind of traditional union of nations can perhaps counter the materialistic globalist egalitarian front, but that is nothing but a theory.

But such is the fate of those who give up.

[Orion]

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[RawGod]

(06-08-2016 10:52 AM)Orion Wrote:  

only some kind of different globalism, that is, some kind of traditional union of nations can perhaps counter the materialistic globalist egalitarian front, but that is nothing but a theory.

Like, say...Russia + the Visegrad nations (Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia)...? They will certainly not surrender to Islam or to decadent liberalism without a fight. If the Baltics and southeastern Europe can be added to the group, basically reuniting the old Eastern Bloc as traditionalist nations, they will be a strong redoubt.

[Orion]

(06-08-2016 11:25 AM)RawGod Wrote:  

(06-08-2016 10:52 AM)Orion Wrote:  

only some kind of different globalism, that is, some kind of traditional union of nations can perhaps counter the materialistic globalist egalitarian front, but that is nothing but a theory.

Like, say...Russia + the Visegrad nations (Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, Czechia)...? They will certainly not surrender to Islam or to decadent liberalism without a fight. If the Baltics and southeastern Europe can be added to the group, basically reuniting the old Eastern Bloc as traditionalist nations, they will be a strong redoubt.

It should be modeled in theory on same kind of principles that Europe was united through history, like Holly Alliance after Napoleon, or Holy League during Ottoman drive towards central Europe, or any other model that will recognize differences between nations, cultures, and freedom for everyone to protect their economies and native farmlands, industries, and way of life, while uniting them under principles that are holier than pure pluralistic-material dreg - principles of defending European culture, values, faith, even some sort of hierarchy of things if necessary.

Strong, vast nations will always be there to act as leaders, there is nothing wrong about that. Wrong thing is to promote this nauseating stupid idea of egalitarianism, democracy and economic growth onto everyone, and leveling all nations under same laws and so called "free markets", and "open markets", frauds designed for nothing else but to rob whole nations of land, freedom and decency, and make them all bunch of unwashed, consumerist-pariah proletarians who are forever destined to be completely dependent on elites (their owners) who had plundered everything.

[Sidney Crosby]

We should do our part and try and impregnate as many Muslim chicks as possible, then raise the offspring as Atheists/Christians.

[911]

(06-06-2016 06:43 PM)EDantes Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:37 PM)weambulance Wrote:  

(06-06-2016 06:18 PM)EDantes Wrote:  

In all honesty I'm more sympathetic to Muslims than I am to left-wing SJWs.

Seems a lot of what they hate about the West boils down to left-wing counter-culture anyway.

If we could just get Muslims to move into liberal suburban neighborhoods it might be a good thing in the long run.

Not really. What they hate about the west is that we are not muslim.

The Islamic extremists probably won't accept anyone who isn't of their faith.

Some of the more moderate Muslims however likely object to how far-left ideas such as transgender rights and distortion of male/female relationships have taken over the West; since they share similar Abrahamic values. I'm not an expert on Turkey for example, but I believe they're an example of a moderate Muslim nation.

On the whole I feel that far-left progressivism is a bigger threat to the west than Islamism is, but that's just me.

I'll give you that, in Ontario when degenerate premier Kathleen Wynne
came up with her aggressive "sex ed" curriculum, muslim families were the main people fighting back.

Where the hell were the Italian, Greek, Croatian, Jamaican families?



Also, as some have pointed above, the progressives are the ones shaping immigration policies,
so defeating them solves the problem of cultural and religious dilution through mass immigration.

I think the root of the problem in Europe can be solved by sending back all the muslim and foreign economic refugees,
and by solving the Syrian problem through a brokered deal with Putin and the creation
of a safe zone within Syria, which Trump could achieve. Obama/Clinton and their neocon handlers instead want
continued chaos, wars and backchannel support for radical muslim cults like Isis.

(06-08-2016 07:56 AM)Dalaran1991 Wrote:  

To keep my sanity I tried looking at the bright side of it. A Muslim majority is still better than a SJW majority.

Quality of life would probably goes way down and we lose all the European cultural heritage, and the carousel degeneracy + easy sex with hot women will be over, plus discriminatory treatment if you are non-muslim. But also feminists will have to shut the fuck up, wear veils, and might even get executed. No divorce rape law. And polygamy for those who could support it.

Muslim girls are hot too. And if your game is tight you can still game for a blowjob.

Shit, just for seeing feminists being shut off in mass, I'll be happy. Kebab is better than forced-fed feminazi vegan.

Houellebecq's last novel, "Soumission" (Submission), is precisely about this subject of the twin problems
of degeneracy from cultural marxism and Islam in the West. Set in a utopian 2020s France,
the novel is about the ascent to the presidency of a radical muslim party that ends up squashing feminism
and solving unemployment in France by banning women from working and wiping out SJW from academia.
To use the same metaphor someone mentioned earlier, it's like curing the cancer with a nearly debilitating chemotherapy.
Haven't read it yet but it's on my list.

[WeFuckGoats]

(06-10-2016 05:27 PM)Sidney Crosby Wrote:  

We should do our part and try and impregnate as many Muslim chicks as possible, then raise the offspring as Atheists/Christians.

Their fathers and brothers would just kill them then come after you.

[Leonard D Neubache]

(06-08-2016 05:50 AM)47R Wrote:  

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Just for the record, Turkey is now hosting well over 3.000.000 (three million) (number raising every day) immigrants no questions asked.
Where as for the EU, combination of 28 countries with over 14 trillion euros GDP, the promoter of of human welfare and democracy etc. is a immigrant crisis to take care of a lot less than 3 million people who actually run for their lives from the wars that are (IMO) essentially caused again by the western ignorance.
I think Turkey should not sign any deal with EU and send every single immigrant to EU (maybe in one big wave) so they dont live under despots but enjoy the western standards of equality and freedom.

Not here to argue, just trying to show you the other side of the coin..

Of course Erdogan wouldn't be allowing all of those illegal immigrants into his nation in preparation to use them like some sort of human weapon, right? Impossible, because Turkey has such a spotless reputation for upholding human rights, yeah?

When Kings return we will simply respond to 3 million invaders with 3 million bullets. Of course, it would only take a few thousand before the others started turning back.

[leanmeansexmachine]

Ofcourse not. After the Brussels attack i read some report from a Belgian woman, she said she does not even dare to drive around on her bicycle anymore or wear a skirt, and this is in the nice parts of town. This is already happening in many cities in Western Europe.

Islam is submission, you are either in or dead.

[Alebaster]

If such situation occurs -people will simply adapt.Once the revolt is broken-everyone will settle into the new reality.

This had happened in Europe before with Osman conquest of Balkans.Also, in modern Russia, previously non religious provinces of Northern Caucasus are champions of Muslim way of living now,while whole streets of Moscow are paralysed with tens of thousands of praying Muslims during Ramadan and people just accept it as normal, when just 15 years ago if would cause an absolute outrage.Yes,people complain but a fear of prosecution makes them scared of any action.

While countries like the UK,France,Russia are pretty much set to turn into Muslim in some 40-50 years,other countries strongly resist it (whole of Central and Eastern Europe from Czechs to Ukrainians but also Dutch,Danish,Swiss at some extend etc). So the more interesting question is what will be the reaction of those countries when ,say,Britain officially becomes muslim? Will they continue trading, will they start war?

[911]

Russia is a special case though, it's not like the Czechs or Austria, because the southern periphery of the Russian empire has always been muslim, so their muslim population is kind of local.

They have to maintain good relationships with their muslim minorities because ethnic Orthodox Russians are minorities in many CIS/Ctrl Asian countries.

By and large those relations are fairly harmonious, more so than for example in the Baltic states, where there is more resentment from locals against Russian minorities.

[budoslavic]

(06-07-2016 10:57 AM)Handsome Creepy Eel Wrote:  

(06-07-2016 09:34 AM)OCZ Wrote:  

The best solution to tackle migrations will be supporting countries outside the European Union to do the dirty work as I said before. (Just like Turkey is doing it now).

The EU will shortly present a new aid plan to curb the influx of African migrants via Libya, building on the deal it reached with Turkey in March http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36469264

This is shortsighted at best, gullible at worst. Turkey is doing ZERO to curb the influx of migrants, just like the Libyan Transnational Government (or whatever's left of it) will. It's just a circus show and a source of kickbacks for both EU and Turkish/Libyan despots.

A country either takes responsibility for itself, or it disappears. There is no other option.

Exactly. Take Germany, for example.

Islam stands above German law for half Turkish Germans – survey

Quote:


Almost half the ethnic Turks living in Germany consider following Islamic teaching more important than abiding by the law, a new survey claims. They also view Islam as the “only true religion” with about one in five justifying violence if it is provoked by the West.

The study by the University of Münster titled “Integration and Religion from the viewpoint of the Turkish Germans in Germany” outline some deep divisions within the German society as 47 percent of ethnic Turks living in the country said that following religious dogmas was “more important” to them than obeying “the laws of the land in which I live,” particularly if the two were incompatible. Moreover, 32 percent from those questioned said they yearn to live in the society of the times of the Prophet Mohammed.

The results, gathered by surveying over 1,200 people, came as a surprise for the researchers from one of the biggest German universities. Detlef Pollack, spokesman for the “Religion and Politics” Excellence Cluster said that the authors “didn’t expect that,” Deutsche Welle reported.

However, the survey also revealed that Turks completely understand that it would be much easier for a law-abiding citizen to successfully integrate. Respecting laws was ranked second among the list of conditions to meet in order to integrate into German society, trailing only the language skills.

But despite the fact that an overwhelming majority of Turkish Germans, 90 percent, said they are pleased with their life in the country, over half of the respondents feel like “second-class citizens” with no chance to integrate fully into society. Some 70 percent went even further and expressed a readiness to integrate “absolutely and unconditionally.” At the same time, the phrase “no matter what I do, I will never be recognized as a part of German society,” strikes a chord with 54 percent of Turks.

In summary, Muslims' way of life is incompatible with any country that has its own language, laws, etc. These savages are simply unwilling to assimilate into a culture like Germany. They basically bring their culture with them and cause chaos everywhere they go.