[Lucky]

I grew up in a very liberal household, and absorbed the message that republicans were evil. To be fair, guys like Bush and Cheney made it easy to hate on the GOP. I was very socially liberal, totally pro-choice, gay marriage, etc.

I fell for the Obama hope and change stuff and voted for him in 2008. Like many liberals, I was very disappointed.

One day in 2012 I was watching a Romney and Obama debate, and found myself largely agreeing with Romney. Particularly his statements about China's currency manipulation. Obama was acting very smug, as is his usual style, though he had recently fucked up royally in Benghazi.

I realized how disgusted I was with the way Obama ran his platform in 2012 and the identity politics he and Biden were using. The "war on women" nonsense, the "binders full of women" non-issue, and Biden telling a room full of black voters that Romney wanted to "put [ya'll] back in chains."

I didn't vote in 2012 but was leaning toward Romney. I was politically confused during that time because my instincts and reasoning were at odds with the ideas I had been conditioned to believe.

Now I can say without reservation that I'm a conservative, and will be voting for Trump.

[MidJack]

I voted for the cool black guy because it was trendy. Four years later, I voted for Gary Johnson in protest. I don't fit the libertarian mold but definitely had a quick transition away from establishment politics after deploying overseas.

[Tex]

When I first got into politics at around 17, I ran into a lot of libertarian stuff. The first political text I ever read on my own was The Law by Frederic Bastiat. I loved it and took a lot of its anti-statism to heart.

As I got into libertarianism more and read a lot of Ayn Rand stuff, I started becoming hardcore pro-gay marriage, anti-keynesian, and anti-religion. I voted for Gary Johnson in 2008 and watched him, Mitt Romney and my entire country get blown the fuck out.

After that, I noticed that the world around me was less and less explained by the philosophy of government, just laws, "negative rights/positive rights," and more and more by culture, values, roles, and identity.

The nail in the coffin was seeing every culture in the world quickly transmogrify into one big composite culture that made everyone's background the same. America has always been this way, and that's what makes America different. But when I noticed the world was becoming like that, I started getting worried. I saw individuality in history, culture, values, and greater identity start dying out, even getting erased, like it never existed.

And people were acting like that was okay. It was mainly liberals. Mainly snobby university professors claiming we all share one big culture anyway. Claiming cultural differences divide us more than anything, and they should be eliminated altogether.

These are the same people who spent hours on ancestry.com trying to attach themselves to some larger sense of identity. Who buy plane tickets to Scotland because "my great great grandfather was a Scot and Scotland is fascinating and important to me." The irony was always lost on them.

That's when I became a conservative.

[Remington]

My parents raised me the right way (pun intended). I have grown up listening to both sides of arguments, I always leaned right. To me, it always made more sense. Some people might not agree, but it's my opinion, so they can go fuck themselves if they are offended.

[Roardog]

I grew up in a rural conservative household so have always been right wing and voted as such. However I was more hard line right when I was younger. The years have mellowed me a bit and shown me the shades of grey in the world so I have drifted more to the centre right in that I am still fiscally conservative, anti wholesale immigration and believe in small government, however I am more socially liberal than I used to be.

[Valentine]

Was the case for me, only after learning the true extent of egalitarianism did I realise it's far more rational to be "far right".

[Walker]

Now, just the same as 5, 10, 15 years ago, the two types of outspoken political people I hate the most are both right wing - randroids and warmongers. I still self identify as liberal because of those two groups, even though the left is full of lesser evils that I have to hold my nose around - SJWs, grievance mongers, and people who demonize self defense.

[AnonymousBosch]

(05-07-2016 03:08 PM)Rigsby Wrote:  

It's pretty much impossible to play in the art/music/drama world these days. Maybe it always was filled with whores. But it doesn't need to be that way. Whores abound and rule the day now. Producers, writers, directors, actors, musicians. It's called the entertainment industry.

That much we do agree on. Whores are gonna whore. To the left, to the right. Just as long as they keep signalling that virtue (party line), they stand a chance of getting a bit of work. Makes you wonder why anyone goes into that field really.

I know when to keep my opinions to myself, but I don't compromise my beliefs in my music. It's amazing what you can get away with.

My music plays hugely-well with Progressives. I've been confused for a long time as to exactly why: everything I sing about is everything that they should naturally-despise. Perhaps I reflect their insecurities very well, and so make them feel that I've truly seen them. Maybe, since my songs are somewhat aspirational, and there is something in these people that still secretly-wishes they were better than they are when tied with the emotion of the music. Maybe it appeals to their intellectual vanity: they think they're smart enough to get it, even though they clearly don't.

My lyrics aren't deliberately-obscure, either: I just use metaphor so - most of the time - songs function in a layered fashion. So what sounds like an intimate, personal statement might also be able to be read as a broader, political one.

We live in a time of black-and-white thought, lacking nuance and complexity, and the current music critics simply aren't capable of that level of considered criticism. To them, what you hear is exactly what you get. Artists should take comfort in this: it's still possible to speak your mind in your art, at least for now. The trick is not be all Millennial about it and let the audience approach the interpretation in their own way, rather than boxing them about the ears, shouting "Do you get it? Do you get it? See how deep this is and how smart I must be?" The meaning is there if they want to consider it, if not, I'm happy for them to enjoy the song for what they think it is.

This is how I can end up with an audience of Hipsters singing along to what they think is a bitter breakup song, when it's simply a song I wrote years back whilst watching Obama's first Inauguration with the sound turned down as I tinkered with the guitar, which heightened his false, rehearsed affect, and made me suspicious of his motivations and distrusting of his promises. If anything, time proved I wasn't suspicious enough.

One of the quieter musicians I work with understands what I'm doing: "Remind me to never piss you off, Bosch."

[infowarrior1]

I was a left-wing guy given the education that I have been given,documentaries I have watched and news.

I was as left-wing as the Sydney Morning Herald and Sunrise News in Australia.

However once I discovered Game and subsequently the manosphere this along with my recent conversion to Christianity. My views started to change. Now my beliefs are after years of formation neo-reactionary in nature since "conservativism'' have shown itself cuckservative.

However I still retain my general non-interventionism as well as opposition to imperialist wars that America have recently waged under the Bushes and Environmentalism from my leftwing days.

I still hate warmongers. And now that I thought through environmentalism I realized that it is actually Right-Wing to be environmentalist considering that leaving a healthy strong civilization to posterity involves also a healthy ecosystem as well which helps sustain that civilization the current problem with modern civilization however is that instead of building buildings and structures that work with and improve the environment it rapes it and ruins the environment that it is in often uglifying it instead of beautifying it. Who would want the earth to be a polluted, mutiliated shithole for their children and grandchildren?

It is bullshit really that environmentalism got associated with the leftwing. But that muddies the water as to the fact that environmental health is a legitimate issue. Cleaning up the environment,improving it and making a civilization that works in harmony with it rather than destroying it should not have to come with the baggage of the leftwing.

Humans should be stewards of the earth not its destroyer.

[Samseau]

(10-26-2016 06:20 AM)infowarrior1 Wrote:  

I was a left-wing guy given the education that I have been given,documentaries I have watched and news.

I was as left-wing as the Sydney Morning Herald and Sunrise News in Australia.

However once I discovered Game and subsequently the manosphere this along with my recent conversion to Christianity. My views started to change. Now my beliefs are after years of formation neo-reactionary in nature since "conservativism'' have shown itself cuckservative.

However I still retain my general non-interventionism as well as opposition to imperialist wars that America have recently waged under the Bushes and Environmentalism from my leftwing days.

I still hate warmongers. And now that I thought through environmentalism I realized that it is actually Right-Wing to be environmentalist considering that leaving a healthy strong civilization to posterity involves also a healthy ecosystem as well which helps sustain that civilization the current problem with modern civilization however is that instead of building buildings and structures that work with and improve the environment it rapes it and ruins the environment that it is in often uglifying it instead of beautifying it. Who would want the earth to be a polluted, mutiliated shithole for their children and grandchildren?

It is bullshit really that environmentalism got associated with the leftwing. But that muddies the water as to the fact that environmental health is a legitimate issue. Cleaning up the environment,improving it and making a civilization that works in harmony with it rather than destroying it should not have to come with the baggage of the leftwing.

Humans should be stewards of the earth not its destroyer.

The original conservationists were right-wing in America.

The Unabomber was a right-wing environmentalist as well.

Environmentalism is it's own issue but is mostly hijacked by Democrats as a cheap brainwashing tool, like civil rights. They mainly use it to sucker in gullible voters. The Democrats don't give a damn over any environmental outcome, only the Green party does.

[ElFlaco]

I grew up in a very liberal family in a conservative neighborhood. My parents despised my friends' families. In my house, we were taught to see ourselves as the enlightened ones, superior to our neighbors. That was a formative experience for me.

Later, I went to one of the most liberal colleges in the country, where I became even more left-wing. Peripherally involved in activism, arrested twice. Took several 'victim studies' courses. For this reason, I am very familiar with how lefties think and can predict what they will say/do in almost any situation.

After college, I entered the work world, where I realized that I was better at my job than the complainers and goof-offs. Why should they be rewarded equally? That was the beginning of my evolution. At that point, I sought out right-leaning ideas, especially libertarianism, and later, conservatism. This isolated me from my social network of hard-core lefties.

Now I would describe myself as sympathetic to nationalism. Living abroad for a decade has something to do with that although I would probably have arrived here even without that.

It is well known that far more lefties move right (as I did) than vice versa. I take that as a data point supporting the idea that leftism is wrong.

[Nineteen84]

Some other good quotes on this:


A young man who isn’t a socialist hasn’t got a heart; an old man who is a socialist hasn’t got a head. - Lloyd George.


Not to be a republican at 20 is proof of want of heart; to be one at 30 is proof of want of head. - François Guizot (19th century).

http://katecarruthers.com/2005/02/allege...servative/

[Enigma]

(05-06-2016 09:30 PM)Horus Wrote:  

I barely recognise the man I was ten years ago. My ideas on culture, nationalism, feminism, equality and so many other issues have completely changed. The man I am now would have hated the man I have become.

Some of my ideas have gradually evolved over time, and I expect them to continue evolving. Some have changed instantly as a result of my experiences, where things I was supposed to believe and was taught to believe simply didn't make any sense.

Here's one example. I believed that abortion was a basic right. I believed that women should have control of their reproductive capacity. And for a young man with little world experience, this wouldn't be an unreasonably position to take. So when I got a girl pregnant in my early 20s, it didn't seem like a big deal. We stalled for a while, but eventually came to the mutual decision to visit a clinic. It was an extremely easy process - the procedure was done the morning after our initial consultation and it wasn't expensive. I was the only man accompanying his girl in the waiting room, but I was astounded how many young women there were. It was like a factory. After the procedure, all I could feel was a huge sense of relief, as I didn't think I was in any position to be a father.

And then overnight, her whole personality changed. She went from being a pleasant, joyful girl to being a moody bitch. I remember waking up in the middle of the night on multiple occasions to the sound of her uncontrollable sobbing. The relationship didn't last much longer, and we didn't really discuss her abortion. But she had become a broken person, and the only change in her life was that she had literally had life sucked from her body.

It's very well to discuss the virtues of abortion when it's not something you have experienced first hand. For the women who have aborted their child and say they are fine with it, I believe they are either lying or are a small minority. After seeing first hand how this simple medical procedure caused the emotional destruction of an otherwise good woman, it's hard not to recognise this as a bad thing. I believe that a majority of women who go through with an abortion will never be the same again. I often wonder what my life would be like if we kept the baby, and I did the respectable thing of marrying her.

I can pinpoint this experience as the first jolt which led me down the path to becoming the man I am today.

I don't want to turn this into an abortion debate, but you could apply that same logic to anything.

She could have also ruined her life with single motherhood, alcohol abuse, poor diet & lack of exercise, a degenerate sex life, or a gunshot to the head.

Personally, I don't think abortion itself should necessarily be forbidden, just like alcohol shouldn't be banned.

The problem with widespread abortion is more of a cultural and social issue than a legal one. The tradition family structure is too weak, promiscuity is too encouraged, and abortion is too glorified.

If that girl was raised in a strong family and community, was in a more traditional, conservative relationship with her one and only serious boyfriend, wasn't exposed to leftist brainwashing, and abortion clinics weren't so common and actually stressed the seriousness of the procedure, she would have never needed or wanted to get one in the first place.

Just like she likely wouldn't have abused alcohol, fucked dozens of guys, or been covered in tattoos.

In a more healthy society, it would be mostly the lower class getting abortions -- and in that case, is it really a bad thing?

To tie this all back into the topic of the thread, I was more left-leaning when I was younger, then started going libertarian, now I would say I'm pretty far to the right.

My overall views on government also change depending on the country/culture you're dealing with though. It's not a one-size fits all.

For the US, ideally I'd like a system where there's a large amount of personal freedom, but a very strong, conservative culture in place to create the social cohesiveness that keeps society together.

For instance, if someone wants to be gay, fine. Homosexuality just shouldn't be catered to, let alone endorsed, in media, schools, etc. as we see today.

If you're a decent, law abiding citizen who wants to smoke a little weed after work, have at it.

Early-term abortions should be legal, clinics just shouldn't be turned into an assembly line. And it should be wholly unnecessary and undesirable in the first place.

[wi30]

I was raised in a blue collar family in Madison, WI. I've been a political minority my entire life. My dad taught me how to be a man and preached conservative values, as well as the greatness of the Green Bay Packers.

The joke about Madison is that it's 10 miles surrounded by reality. It's a mini San Francisco in terms of liberals and gay rights.

I had an economics teacher call me out freshman year of high school for being a "capitalist". She said it like it was a bad thing. She was in her late forties, single, and owned seven huskies. I'm also assuming she was a majority stockholder in Jif peanut butter.

I used to think I was a libertarian, as I realized the republicans were neocons before I even knew there was a term for it. But over the past few years I've realized that libertarianism is a cop out. I like listening to Joe Rogan but his "We should like be one country, man. How can you own dirt?" diatribe is completely retarded.

Once Trump started to gain ground, I realized his stances aligned with mine over 95%.