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07-17-2011, 07:55 PM
Maybe some people who have travelled extensively can provide some insight, because this has been bothering me lately...
For those of us who have no interest in getting married and slaving away to afford a mortgage and a sports car or whatever, is there really any incentive to stay in the U.S. or contribute to American culture?
It really does seem like lots of stress for dubious rewards. Based on what others have said on this site and the general impression that I get from people who have travelled extensively, many other countries seem more laid back and enjoyable even if you have a lower standard of living or no hope of ever getting rich (most Americans will never get rich either, but love to think it will happen).
Does anyone have any specific experiences with places that were more enjoyable and less stressful even if you couldn't make as much money or get fancy toys?
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07-17-2011, 08:13 PM
Your question really depends on individual preferences.
There are plenty of places you can live cheaply, but the reason you can live cheaply, is because the local economy is in tatters, and people make ten or twenty bucks a day if they are lucky.
The north of Brazil, Nicaragua, Peru, southern Spain, and a few others are all very pleasant and affordable places.
The best advice I can give you before you set out for such a place though, is to take advantage of the USA for what it is best for - making money.
If you can manage to get out of bed in the morning and work for 8 hrs, 5 days a week, at any decent USA job, you will make more than a heart surgeon in some of those places I mentioned.
Save your money here, get some language skills, and make a transition to an idyllic place from a position of strength.
The last thing you want is to end up scraping by abroad, pissed off because you are too poor to have fun and not worry about every single bill.
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07-21-2011, 03:09 PM
IMO the US is a joke because for the last 30 years corporations and the rich have gained such strength that basically 90% of Americans are getting jacked right now. The average workers wages hasn't gone up in the last 30 years even though their productivity has gone way up and the compensation of corporate CEO's has gone through the roof.
And then you combine this BS with the general attitude of Americans: insular, arrogant, stressed out, unworldly, and uncultured and I sometimes wonder what the point is in going back.
Other places aren't perfect, but look at it this way: the point of life isn't to be a slave to someone else. In America you are a fucking slave unless you make it to the top 1-10% of society. Why should you work your ass off just to have a middle class existence with no social safety net like you'd get in Europe or Australia.
So overall the US just doesn't make any sense anymore for anyone who has the balls and common sense to understand the world. Sadly most Americans are such big pussies they'll never realize how much they are getting screwed.
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07-21-2011, 03:32 PM
If your in the top 1% income tax bracket and aren't murdering yourself to be there, then America isn't all that bad. However, if you choices are suburbs and strip malls you may be better off elsewhere.
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07-23-2011, 04:20 PM
Guys, let's not get carried away. America is still a great place to make opportunities happen.
Here are a few surprisingly good points about America:
1) Money. America is a place, where, if you're willing to put in hard work, you'll be able to economically live better than +90% of the world's population that lives in poverty and dire conditions. If you avoid the corporate slave-system and make wise decisions, then yes, you can live the life you want to live (i.e., look at some of the members on this forum.) You can work for a year, then take a year off. If you save extensively, you can retire earlier. If you save a huge chunk of cash, you can live for a relatively long time in a foreign country where the living expenses are considerably cheaper. It is up to you, the goals you set, and the decisions that you make that ultimately move you forward into the future.
2) Easiest Place to get Laid Compared to countries such as Argentina and Saudi Arabia, because of full-fledged unbridled feminism for the past half-century, American women are arguably the most promiscuous women on the planet. You don't have to study hard and work hard for years and then have money and good prospects for access to just one pathetic pussy through marriage like in some other places in the world.
3) American guys develop/have the best game. Now, this is subjective for each person, but, as a whole, American guys have the best game simply because they have to deal with the most bitchiest, self-entitled, flakey women on the planet. Full-fledged feminism has opened the door of freedom for men to finally see and test the true nature of women. Think about it. Since men will become good at detecting specific traits such as golddigging/slutting/flaking, when they travel to other areas where feminism hasn't grasped a strong hold on the populace, their game will be stronger than most other guys'.
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07-23-2011, 04:54 PM
In answer to your question, the answer is NO it is not worth staying in America. I myself am looking at multinational companies in foreign land for jobs as we speak, there comes a point when you realize a fancy apartment/nice ride is simply not worth it. I won't tell you the country I am looking at but I will say it is in Eastern Europe.
The hardest thing would be to be legally entitled to work in the country of your choosing.