[EDantes]

I live in a fairly small town and know a guy who's a manger for the local town parks.

Seems like he makes a decent living, and basically gets to drive around all day and manage guys doing maintenance work such as trash pickup, mowing, etc as well as enforce city ordinances (ex. forcing residents to remove trash and violations from their yards).

Being able to drive around and work with other guys in the summer sun IMO sure seems enviable compared to being stuck in some crampt cubicle or office, surrounded mainly by gossipy female coworkers.

I think it's a little disappointing how today the conventional "office job" is touted as the ultimate desire of college grads; anyone know of any good job opportunities like this, just in general?

I'm aware of apprenticeships and certifications like welding, electricianship, plumbing, etc that primarily center around guys working with their hands in a male-oriented environment.

[jake1720]

Outside Sales. Company car and phone usually.

[C-Note]

I think being a geologist for mining, drilling, or fracking companies would be an enjoyable job, because you would be hiking around in the wilderness looking for signs of ore deposits so your company could start a strip mine or drilling operation.

[Dr. Howard]

(04-05-2016 09:58 AM)C-Note Wrote:  

I think being a geologist for mining, drilling, or fracking companies would be an enjoyable job, because you would be hiking around in the wilderness looking for signs of ore deposits so your company could start a strip mine or drilling operation.

Nope. The actual people hiking around are called prospectors, they stake the claims, drill the cores and send them to the geologists in the lab. Geologists don't get outside that much anymore.

The job of a prospector (I have friends who did it for a few years in Canada), similar to the experience of a forester is a tradeoff. You live a life of isolation, in brutal conditions, with high danger. The bears are scary enough but the real danger is if something happens like you fall and break your leg or your snowmobile breaks down 20 miles from your truck...you're usually dead before a rescue crew comes looking for you 24-48 hours after you miss your check in. Its also no way to live a life as you are always on the road or in the wilderness, only coming back to civilization for a few days. You can't maintain a girlfriend, respond to physical mail, or pay bills etc because you are out of contact in the wilderness. Its fun when you are young but not a permanent lifestyle.

You want a great 'non office' job? Marine police. You drive around in a boat, only in nice weather, checking people for life jackets and booze on the boats. You cross paths daily with young chicks in bikinis having panty explosions when you board their craft.

Another great non-office job is a mens barber. Dude's dont complain about their haircuts like women do, great conversation, cash tips

[YoungAngel1]

Interesting thread, and I am also looking at something where I don't have to work in an office environment.

[texas]

Real estate investing is a great hybrid. There are a lot of headaches just like anything but it puts you in a good mixture of environments:

1) office setting > when going to title company, realtor offices, lawyers, court()

Here you get to be in the A/C, can dress nice if you want, and can game cute chicks that like to work in these roles.

2) outdoors > when scoping out properties to buy, visiting tenants, meeting with contractors to delegate

Here you get to enjoy the outdoors and different houses/neighborhoods as many times as you buy a different property, move around and be more physical more than in an office, and talk shit with contractors who are many times red pill and funny as shit.

3) anywhere with wifi > when researching properties, connecting utilities, running your numbers

Here you can work from home, coffee/tea shop, your apartment's pool wifi area, a park, whatever you want as long as you can stay on task. Coffee shops have been a good option for me because of lots of young cuties that come and go as well as work there and more importantly, because many other small business owners sometimes work out of these places and it is a good way to network with other productive people and when there's an intersection of services, to do business together.

[storm]

I spoke with an anthropologist today.

You travel the world, exploring unknown lands (think: lost brazilian jungle cities), meeting exotic women and doing elderly openers to locals. While getting your dick sucked by a jungle maid you put together some scribbles about their perception of frogs and call it a paper. It gets published as a landmark work because everyone else in anthropology is writing articles like why icebergs are sexist.

Basically, Travel Lounge™ the job.

[Disco_Volante]

Land Surveying.

You use a GPS to stake points for construction, you mark the points with stakes and flags, then you use the GPS points you marked to upload to a CAD file the builders use to come in and build it.

My uncle has his own little surveying company in the Midwest, makes a little over 100k per year.

Your average surveyor only makes about 15-20 per hour, but if you have your own business and book a lot of jobs you can make a lot of money since it's highly specialized. You need various certifications which aren't even available at colleges.

Once you become certified and buy your own GPS systems you can be out on your own. A key part is developing relationships with construction managers and state construction authorities.

[godfather dust]

I'm blue collar. I do part time helping a carpenter and the rest is all hustling for odd jobs, landscaping snow repairing furniture repairs in general.

Being able to fix and build shit puts money on the table. I like blue collar work because my brain can't focus on boring ass shit all day. I tried the office thing when I was younger but couldn't focus and fell asleep sometimes and with HR, background check no degree I wouldn't be able to get anything lucrative.

When I put in hours I'm comfortable but I can also put in less when I'm working on music and get buy.

Early last year I was at financial rock bottom doing labor ready but reading this forum and Rooshes other websites forced me to cut the bullshit and say "let's get it."

[Jack Of All Trades]

(04-05-2016 07:38 PM)Disco_Volante Wrote:  

Land Surveying.

You use a GPS to stake points for construction, you mark the points with stakes and flags, then you use the GPS points you marked to upload to a CAD file the builders use to come in and build it.

My uncle has his own little surveying company in the Midwest, makes a little over 100k per year.

Your average surveyor only makes about 15-20 per hour, but if you have your own business and book a lot of jobs you can make a lot of money since it's highly specialized. You need various certifications which aren't even available at colleges.

Once you become certified and buy your own GPS systems you can be out on your own. A key part is developing relationships with construction managers and state construction authorities.

I interviewed for a land surveyor gig, they seem pretty legit and are mostly running around in the prairies. Living out of hotels and making good cash and riding around in a ATV. Pay was good too, start at 18/h, after a year 27/h and once you make crew lead it's 35/h. Usually 2 man crews and 10+hour days, so 200-300/day with hotels and food paid for. I ended up taking another company, but it seems like a great gig if your fresh outta school or don't have much education, you learn the to be hardy trekking in the middle of nowhere, hundreds of kms away from towns.

[frozen-ace]

Lots of outdoor jobs in Alaska.

Oil jobs up on the North Slope (it's not as easy as it used to be though to get a job up there). Pretty much every kind of job imaginable- driller, welder, maintenance, mechanic, list goes on and on. Great pay. 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

Bush pilot, or even pilot. There are a few regional airline companies that service the remote villages. You would be based out of Fairbanks or Anchorage, and fly freight or passengers to the remote villages. Or you could fly sea planes out of Juneau and service the small island communities.

Alaska has a string of radar stations part of the NORAD early warning system. There is a company that services these radar sites. You get to visit some pretty amazing places.

If I think of some more I'll post them.

[Guitarman]

Classic/vintage car restorer. As long as you get people to bring the cars to you and you have the skills to do the work you are made.

[Jack Of All Trades]

Generally anything related to field work in the middle of nowhere pays generally good; there usually related to some technical niche. You'll never be out of a job if your willing to do it because tons of people are unwilling to do it. Try Cathodic protection technician, corrpro is a company that comes to mind. But the road life bites into you hard, so if your young and willing to travel give it a try.

[supersaiyanjesus]

(04-07-2016 06:32 PM)frozen-ace Wrote:  

Lots of outdoor jobs in Alaska.

Oil jobs up on the North Slope (it's not as easy as it used to be though to get a job up there). Pretty much every kind of job imaginable- driller, welder, maintenance, mechanic, list goes on and on. Great pay. 2 weeks on, 2 weeks off.

Can't imagine it being anything like the oil sands a few years ago, but can you expand on this? How good is the pay and how easy would it be for someone from, say, Texas, to get a job up in Alaska?

[Jack Of All Trades]

Everyone's always talking about oil jobs, but there's tons of industrial work that pays well and isn't in an office. Just gotta get a journeyman ticket and go, as for the pay look up union rates where you wana work. It's everywhere on the internet since they public publish their annual wages and benefits online.

[frozen-ace]

@ Super

I'm not in that field, but I see young kids head up there all the time and many have no experience at all***

I'm not sure of the exact arrangement on the slope, but I know BP is up there as well as the regional corporations organized under ANCSA (the land claims settlement act), the largest being Arctic Slope Regional Corp, Doyon, and NANA Corp, to name a few.

Whenever I'm flying to the lower 48 I run into the oil workers, many are from California, Arizona, Texas, or wherever. They come up for two weeks, then head back home. There's a lot of resentment about this, all the money being made in Alaska and none of it staying here (no income tax...yet anyway). One of my coworkers worked up on the slope for a long time, and when he left he was making $200k a year, which isn't bad for 6 months actual work (2 weeks on, 2 off). As with everything else, it isn't what it used to be. Production is down, price is down, supply is down, it won't be the easiest time for a newbie to get a job.

***Alaska Natives who are shareholders in their corporations get first preference.

[realologist]

I worked as grounds crew one summer on baseball fields. We had state, college, a semi-pros team and all other kinda of tournaments. It was a fun job and pretty easy.

The only part that sucked was getting them ready in early spring before the season started. I know the foreman did decent. Made probably $40,000 only working 6 months.

I'm sure if you made it to a major league grounds crew you would make decent money. Work for probably about 8 months and get to watch baseball for free all summer.

[TestosteroneMan]

I've been thinking a lot about police-jobs lately. I study philosophy and my only option would be to become a teacher, and this idea, since I discovered my masculinity and put my testosterone levels on high levels, gives me nauseas. This is why I think an action-packed job would be ideal for many of the guys here.

[AWright]

Anyone know about being a bail agent bondsman? I'm looking into it, such as hours and pay. I know it varies from location to location, but I can't see myself sitting in the same place for 8 hour days so it seemed interesting.

[Saweeep]

(04-07-2016 06:55 PM)Guitarman Wrote:  

Classic/vintage car restorer. As long as you get people to bring the cars to you and you have the skills to do the work you are made.

This isn't as easy as just deciding to do it...

However, the hourly rates are enough to be very comfortable (+£100).

I don't know a single guy in this business that doesn't have significant waiting lists.

[C-Note]

I recently met a guy who has a good-paying job that keeps him outside most of the time. He is a grazing range enforcement official for the US Department of Agriculture. He lives in BFE in a west coast state and spends most of his day driving out to remote, Federally-controlled land and making sure that ranchers aren't grazing their cattle or sheep in land for which they did not secure a permit to do so.

[brob]

Lately I've been thinking that we all got tricked into thinking "white-collar" work is superior to "blue-collar". I sure don't feel very masculine sitting in a cubicle all day staring into a screen, listening to gossip about other people's job performance, and taking orders from obese menopausal women.

Working remotely is the only benefit to the white-collar way but most corporations still don't let the leash go that far even though the job can reasonably be done from a laptop anywhere.

I may be seeing things from a grass-is-greener point of view, but blue-collar work seems like the masculine way.
1. you're working alongside your fellow man
2. physical exertion will lead to more happy brain chemicals
3. you don't have to supplement the lack of daily active movement by running on a treadmill like a hamster.

I could go on. But I think the best non-office job is probably the one where you work for yourself. I still have a long ways to go before I escape employer dependence but right now I've been reading eBooks on Fiverr to try my hand at that. Also working on writing/blogging.

If I can achieve an entrepreneurial income of say $50k+ then maybe I'd take up working part-time as a surfing or hang-gliding instructor on top of that. Seems like a better way to live and work than selling your soul, taking it in the ass from a boss, and trading the best part of your life so you can chase six figures and shiny objects.

I grew up thinking I was going to live this corporate dream of big city offices and crushing life Mad Men style. I've been in corporate America 3 years and I've completely given up on all that. I no longer have any desire to climb somebody else's ladder. I'm more focused on building my own ladder that leads me away from the fluorescent lights, the gridlocked traffic, and the obese woman coming by my cube every 2 hours to harass me about TPS reports.

[peterfoo22]

Electrician oil rig or merchant marine

[Disco_Volante]

Lineman for electrical lines. Make 60k+. Only a certificate is needed.

http://prattcc.edu/department/electrical...technology

[Easy_C]

(04-20-2016 01:30 PM)brob Wrote:  

Lately I've been thinking that we all got tricked into thinking "white-collar" work is superior to "blue-collar". I sure don't feel very masculine sitting in a cubicle all day staring into a screen, listening to gossip about other people's job performance, and taking orders from obese menopausal women.

Depends to a degree. Keep in mind that most women(and feminine males) are very risk and effort adverse, so a lot of those negative aspects tend to get better when you're working in extremely difficult, competitive fields. The more objective the better. One area that I'm slightly familiar with, working as a trader, fits the bill.. I've also heard some good things from acquaintances who work in more difficult sales jobs where you neither work out of a strip mall or have a job title ending with "agent". Both areas are high risk, high reward careers that require a huge amount of work to be successful at and where having real skills (either market knowledge or people skills) determines your success. I've yet to meet an "obese menopausal woman" working in either field, and both are dominated by more aggressive, more aware men.


That said the way one acquaintance (and mentor of sorts) who works as a senior level investment banker was that "Whatever you do, you want to build equity"...meaning if you want to actually be rich you will eventually need an ownership stake in some sort of venture. Otherwise you're just spinning the hamster wheel.

I'd recommend a multi-pronged approach if you don't want to work in an office. On one hand you should be developing a strong, specialized skillset that is also valuable. Something that not everyone can do and that people are willing to pay for. Second is that even if you hate "office work", you still need to understand how to read accounting information, , marketing reports, etc and analyze your operations, cash flow, etc.


The advice I'd give anyone starting out is to go into an apprenticeship program by day and at night be studying management classes at a local university. This way you're getting both the front office education on the job and learning back office knowledge, which will prepare you to work in an extremely lucrative career field: owning a trade business. Those services will always be necessary and a skilled businessman can expand those enterprises to where you are making six figures given time and effort. One person I as with in the Army takes home 300k a year running a plumbing business with under 50 employees.