[Atlantic]

(02-22-2016 03:47 PM)Chaos Wrote:  

Awesome. Sailing around the world must be one of the most amazing things to do in a lifetime.
That said, I have zero skills or experience of anything sailing related except for buliding yachts.

I wouldn't hesitate a second if I had the chance to participate in a long sailing trip as a crew member or whatever. Is that even possible?!

Any sailors here on the forum?

There are lots of sites where you can sign up to work on a sailing boat for very little or zero pay. Sometimes they will cover your expenses other times you contribute a small bit yourself. You will also have to fly yourself to a sailing hot zone to start such as the Caribbean, France, Sydney.

Different seasons have different routes which are more busier than others. Has to do with trade winds and weather. If I have time later I will try link one of these sites but not too hard to find.

[NASA Test Pilot]

I have been sailing for 37 years with the last 10 years in retirement. It is a great lifestyle on so many different levels, but there are certainly challenges. I have some good sea stories and some real no shitters. I am actually starting to sail less and spending more time at my houses.

For the first 3 years of my retirement, I went slowly around the world under sail, hitting many ports of call and trying to have a pretty girl in each one. I then purchased my second foreign home and sailed between the two. I found out after the next three or four years that two LTR´s per country (being in different cities of that country) was optimal for me (with unlimited FB´s). Before that I could do three LTR´s. After you have women in five or six countries try to move to one or two LTR´s per country and see if the quality of your life is better or not. Having a boat will be an FB magnet. My biggest mistake early on was moving a gorgeous FB to LTR status too quickly because I wanted a female anchor in the country; even if I was not in the country that often, I should have left her as an FB and had no LTR´s in the country.

The issue with many LTR´s in many ports is that they want to spend more time with you and they often move out of the rotation or they will fly somewhere around the world (wherever I happen to be) and we sail together for a week, two weeks or a month. It is logistics on a macro scale. It is a good problem to have as long as you keep your attention focused where you want it and not on maintaining some woman. I found that three to four weeks as optimal being under sail no more than 10 straight days. The younger they are/were the easier it is to maintain them. Eventually I purchased a third and a fourth home, with one being a working farm.

Now one of my yearly cycles looks like this; stay at one house for 4 months, sail half way around the world for 2 months to house number two, stay there for 4 months and then continue my sail the other way around the world for 2 more months. Other cycles go between more homes and less time on the ocean or not crossing major oceans or keeping my boat in one port, flying somewhere and then returning to my boat. There are many options with pluses and minus.

Sometimes I am on the boat alone, sometimes with old friends, sometimes with a girl(s) I recently met, sometimes with an LTR. Sometimes I will meet someone (or someone flies to me) and they want to be on the boat for a while and we go to an island with almost no people and we live there (native style) together for three or four weeks (this is one of my personal favorites especially when the woman has been sheltered in the concrete jungle). You would be surprised how much women love this and even if I do not see them for 12-18 months they are begging to come back. Another favorite is island hopping being under sail for a few days, then on land for twice the number of days that we were at sea. I have got it down to a science with understanding how different types of women react to a variety of environments and circumstance and I give them what they want (need), and they are more than happy to reciprocate.

One of the biggest things that I have internalized about women with all of this experience is that when a woman is out of her normal environment for 6-8 days with no distractions (especially electronic), she will become a totally different woman than she was in the ´real´ world. She then offers this new identity (sometimes it is not good) to me and it is an order of magnitude better (90% of the time) than the same woman in her normal environment. She often experiences a part of herself that she never knew. Since I am with her, she thinks that I am the cause and she naturally reciprocates with me being the object of her affections.

I can go into more detail about specific boating items over time. I should probably begin with how I got started and how you can do the same.

[Kale_anonymous]

I just keep thinking about her ass and nice teeth


btw guys I'm seeing very decent "yachts" for 35K on yatchworld


rather have that than a stupid "useless" new car

[kaotic]

NASA that was beautifully said man. I think my biggest fear is of the ocean, it's something that commands respect.

I've got no experience on a sail boat, but I've been on some boats.

A bucket list, is to get laser eye surgery, and learn how to scuba, swim, etc.

Knowing what lays underneath the water fascinates me.

[RandomGuy1]

Thanks Nasa Test Pilot for your post, very good!

Question to all, does one really need such a big boat for these kind of adventures? Sure you need enough storage capacity for you groceries and stuff but this guys boat is really huge.

[Kale_anonymous]

(02-23-2016 02:46 AM)RandomGuy1 Wrote:  

Thanks Nasa Test Pilot for your post, very good!

Question to all, does one really need such a big boat for these kind of adventures? Sure you need enough storage capacity for you groceries and stuff but this guys boat is really huge.

I feel the question is also- raise your hand if youv'e eaten pussy that hot? Do we really need a boat to find a girl like that or can we do this on land on a beach? I personally have never gotton a girl that hot.

[RandomGuy1]

You misunderstood me.
With adventure I don't mean the girl. I mean to cross the oceans, go from port to port etc.

[Soothesayer]

Incredible video. Agree with the poster who mentioned drama with the chick. How long before he ditches her? He's probably already got a date in mind.

The other thing that jumped out at me was fuel. How much is he paying? When I was in Thunder Bay, Ontario I went out with a bud just around the bay and back in a smallish sailboat. He pointed to an isle in the distance. Looked far but not *that* far. A bigger sailboat passed us (huge ass yacht) and so he turns to me and says, "See that boat? Now see that isle out yonder? It'd cost me about $200 to sail there and back if my boat was that boat." I thought he was shitting me but later it was confirmed. Fuel is HUGELY expensive if you live on a yacht and want to sail around all day. Then you've got maintenance bang costs for the young, hot 20yo porn mermaid.

[NASA Test Pilot]

If it is only for girls and if we are talking only sailboats, I would say that you want at least a lake boat where you can go below deck and you have an open cockpit for 4 people as well as space to sit on the side decks (20-24 feet). In general the bigger the boat with more (modest) bells and whistles (smaller refrigerator, oven, etc.) will be more magnetic. I am of the opinion that you should get what you want based on your skill level, desire, and purpose. If she is along for the ride and is not happy, you tell her to exit stage left and swim back to shore. Most girls 19-27 will be thrilled that it is a boat and it will probably be their first experience, so make it memorable as this is key to repeat business and spreading the word (or legs). I normally do not go past age 29, but if she has been on my boat before and she is now older, it is a standard exception for me. Often the 30 some-things (particularly upper 30´s) are uptight on day excursions or an evening sail, with a 30-50% mellow factor after the first trip. The only 40 some-things whom I have had aboard are girlfriends of a friend or a third wheel who tagged along. What can I say; I am an equal opportunity discriminator.

Fuel will generally be your single largest expense. I will talk about expenses in a later post.

To cross oceans you need bigger boats and the key will be skill set and the electronics to include back-ups. I will get into to this as well.

Sure you can have it on the beach, but you have the opportunity to learn a practical skill to explore your world and use it to become a machine that provides frequent returns. If it is only to get girls, it will not be a cost effective as you have a large capital outlay and then maintenance. It is a lifestyle

I would also add, that over my lifetime, boat sex is generally much better than land sex as the women let go more and get in touch with that primal part more deeply when they are relaxed.

[rudebwoy]

^Damn!

I was a huge fan of Miami Vice back in the day.

Crockett lived on a boat, how feasible is that?

I was looking at boats for sale on yachtworld, I don't know what to look for.

[Cortés]

Do you guys think if a player was living on a yacht, and he was docked in a city for a few weeks, would he be able to bang girls back on his boat?

Edit: Didn't see NASA test pilots reply. Awesome post, can anybody else chime in on "yacht game"?

[NASA Test Pilot]

@ Cortes
That is one of the main ideas brother. You bring them back to your boat. If you want to try a little experiment before you have a boat, consider this; you are visiting somewhere near the ocean or water. You approach 10 girls successfully and you decide to bounce. Eventually one of the bounces will be to your place (if it is her place, do not count it for our purpose here). What is your success rate? For the next 10 girls, on the last bounce, do not say your place instead say your boat (at the marina). Watch that percentage sky rocket. If you do not want to waste time and simply experiment, move to bounce to the boat in short order after you know there is some attraction. The problem is that when she finds out that you do not have a boat, you will have another challenge on your hands. Or if she says yes, make up some excuse to eject (because you do not have a boat…yet) and hook up with her/them later. Of course there are other factors and it may influence your results. Do this a few times and you will see what I mean.

If you have a boat, I highly recommend that you live on it, at least for a while or from time to time. It is very feasible. It is also great as a back-up when you have multiple chicks in the same town.

[NASA Test Pilot]

Kaotic said something profound and I want to re-iterate as it should always be in the back of your mind as a sailor. ¨…the ocean, it´s something that commands respect.¨ If you journey out into the Big Blue, always remember that.

There is an old saying that the two best days in a boat owners life are the day he buys the boat and the day he sells the boat, while there is some truth in this with your first boat, I have found that after your first few boats, and a number of years of sailing under your belt (and hopefully a great admiration of the sea) this is not as prominent. There are days when you have problems and when you have them out at sea with no one around, it can be trying and you are tested as a man. I consider this a good thing, no matter how difficult, short of death.

I started sailing on a small to medium sized lake with few obstacles or people. The boat was small and I recommend the same for others. If you are not a stronger swimmer and you think that you want to sail more, I encourage you to increase your comfort level and ability in the water. Safety should always be a concern as you are developing habits for the future as you venture out into larger bodies of water and journey throughout the night. It is also important as these habits are what you will teach your friends that come onboard your boat in the future; as they may not be sailors and their lives will be in your hands. I know that you thought it was all fun and games with bikinis galore based on my first post and now I allude to responsibility. What can I say, you took the bait…

Your first boat will be a monohull (I will bring up catamarans and trimarans in a later post). Start with a small, light boat like a sunfish, laser, or snark (a little longer and can hold more people), something 8-12 feet with an open cockpit for one person and a main sail. You can hop in the cockpit while you are wadding waist deep and push the daggerboard or centerboard down and you are off. There are two schools of thought on how to begin. I did the second as I had already experienced windsurfing, I was a strong swimmer and I just like to get out there and do it. The first is where you get an instructor from the beginning. The second is where you just get out there the first two or three times and make a lot of mistakes and learn a few things and then go to an instructor. There could be a third where you just skip the instructor, but long term your progress will be slower. If you are not a strong swimmer, I recommend beginning with an instructor. This is the stage where you need to invest time in learning basic nautical terms. It may seem like a different language.

You want to learn the basic parts of the boat and the cause and effect of how the wind influences the sail as you maneuver the sail depending on the wind direction and force; as well as the movement of the rudder. The resultant direction and speed of the boat becomes apparent very quickly as you begin saying internally, no, no I do not want to get closer to those rocks, I want to go toward that hot blonde (brunette or redhead); as you blow into the sail (or lean to the side) thinking that it is going to make a difference. This will be the stuff of your first few adventures into the world of sailing.

As time goes by and you understand and apply the concepts of tacking to port and tacking to starboard, coming about, running with the wind and of course man overboard; you will become more comfortable and confident where you will want to go faster and try a larger boat with more sails and sail area. You should also learn to flip the boat over after it has been turtled (upside down in the water with the mast toward the bottom and centerboard (keel on a larger boat) toward the sky. Then you may consider a larger 12-16 skipper, pico, hobbie, type craft that is open cockpit but it can hold 2 or 3 people (4 if she is sitting in your lap). You can try a daysailer like the catalina, but they are more difficult to right (when they are turtled).

These types of boats will have a larger main sail and when the boom swings as you come about you may receive your first whack in the head that will be a lifelong reminder to keep your head down so that you do not have this happen on a larger boat when boom will have significantly more force. Hopefully this craft will have a jib (or Genoa if it is large) as well. This the second sail that originates from the forestay (wire or line from the top of the mast to the bow (front of the boat)) will provide you with an opportunity to move your sailing ability to a more moderate level as you must control two sails at the same time and sometimes separately. When you start on this type of boat, I recommend that you have an instructor with you the first few times as you become comfortable with the increasing complexities and understand how to do one thing with the main sail and another with the jib that allows you more precision in stopping the boat as well as maneuverability. You also need to learn to turtle this boat as well. This is the stage you should begin learning to tie knots. You can practice these on… I mean with… your FB.

Once you have done this for a year or two, depending on how often you sail, you may consider moving up to a larger lake boat of around 20-24 feet and the lake will also be much larger, most of the time you may not be able to see the other shoreline. You will have your first horizon. This will be a large step as the boat is significantly larger in terms of cost, volume, sail area and perhaps a smaller motor and an anchor. It is like going from a small motorcycle to a car. You will able to go below and see the inside of the boat. The consequences also become more apparent at this level. Things are bigger (and weigh more), the speeds are faster and if remember your basic physics of F = MA (force equals mass times acceleration); the force you exert will be much greater. Those small rocks with the sunfish now are real hazards because if you hit them, they may tear your hull and you begin to take on water as you begin your journey down to Davey Jones´ locker…this would be bad… It is best to learn with someone who already has a boat and experience as you sail with them for pleasure or you help out as a first mate or deck hand. You will have more lines (not ropes), winches, rigging, etc. and you may be exposed to your first nautical chart (not map).

In the next post we will move to larger lake boats and get into ocean sailing and racing.

[lavidaloca]

I lived on a boat (Bayfield 36) when I was growing up for a period of about 6 months. Honestly, I loved it. It had a shower, big bed, little kitchen, tv, vcr player etc. Everything you could ever want it had.

I think when people are thinking about docking fees they are forgetting a very important factor...how much rent are you saving by living on your boat...probably more than the docking fees.

Sailboats are beautiful creatures. Personally if I buy one I'd go for a much smaller sized boat that is more manageable for an individual.

Sailboats don't have to be expensive. A friend recently sold a beautiful westsail 32 for less than 25k us dollars.

Honestly unless you are going extremely high end girls will hardly know the difference to be quite frank. I've been on million + dollar yachts. They are beautiful, sleek, sexy. But it's a crappy allocation of spending. If you had the 30k sail boat and took the other 970k+ on lifestyle expenses you'd be much more successful.

I'd imagine boat game is more effective in poorer countries where its an unfathomable luxury.

[Kale_anonymous]

what about medium term rental or some kind of time-share boat share??

[Chowder Head]

What size is the boat the oil rig guy/hot chick got?

[NASA Test Pilot]

@kale-anonymous

Medium term rentals are normally based on your relationship with an individual who has a boat and is willing to let you rent it. Without (years of ocean) experience, this is doubtful as the guy will not risk you deep sixing his boat, even if it is insured. Short term possibilities exist in terms of bare-boating (you rent the boat bare and you fill it with provisions), sometimes you can hire a captain or first mate. Normally this is done a week at a time. First tier companies operate new boats (less than 5 years old) and it is expensive, depending on the size of the boat. A general rule it will cost 8-10k per week (for the the boat only) with variation. Second tier boats are 5-10 years old. There is a huge difference in the conditions of the boats and the price is significantly less. Normally for tier one, they will want you to have a 100 ton Captains license and pass a familiarity check. Many of the second tier operators will ask for the 100 ton license, but less.

These tier one boats will be 200K on the cheap (and this is cheap) side to 600K, depending on size, equipment and brand. Your very large 65 foot ocean Cats are over 7 figures. New boats are expensive gentlemen and there is a reason for this relating to why old boats can be so deceivingly cheap. It is called maintenance.

Another option that some tier 1 companies have is where you purchase the boat with your capital (so it will be a big chunk of change) or make a huge down payment and carry a large note and while paying a high insurance premium. You then put your boat in their fleet. I did this with a close friend early on. You can sail your boat for 9 weeks (varying) per year and then they rent your boat out (bare boat); that means some other yahoo will be sailing your (500K) boat. It is insured, but how does that make you feel? The company can either guarantee a note payment on your boat each month or pay you a percentage of the rental fees. If the boats rents more it is better for you financially, if not, then you need to make the difference in the note (which is like a nice house on a five year, not 30 year schedule). They take care of all of the maintenance (which is routine and very small). This is only for 5 years (and the boat is new). Guess what happens around the 5-6 year mark of a boat? That is correct, large maintenance (sails, engine(s) work). Sometimes you can take your boat and move it down to a tier 2 company and work out a similar deal, but the maintenance will not be there (or nearly the same). Tier 2 is a greater financial risk as they are not willing to pay you the same as tier 1. It is all about risk. Also at the five year mark, you have a balloon payment with which you must deal.

Lavidaloca brings up a great point. Your boat in a third world country is an example of ultra-high value. The power of the magnet is greater and you will pull high SMV women. If they are younger, it is not difficult to have multiple hotties on your boat at the same time with a modest amount of game. This is why a bigger boat with more state rooms is a plus (I have always had 3 or 4). You thought pulling a threesome was a challenge before…not anymore, unless you screw it up by not allowing the women to get comfortable with each other before hand. Then you start thinking four...as we always need goals. You can even hang with a wingman(men), but you want to have more girls than guys (even with no threesome) and the number of guys aboard should be one less than the number of state rooms.

[TripleG]

Guys, the secret has been revealed. "NASA Test Pilots" real name is Jonathan Goldsmith. He is worth around $8M, is in his late 50's, Jewish and has lived on a boat in SF Harbor. Here is his interview:

[CodyB]

(02-21-2016 11:13 PM)Lateapex Wrote:  

easily around $150k USD working his standard rotation the last few years he worked on a rig.

Back when the AUD was 1:1 with USD you can easily double that.

Crazy money.

[Beyond Borders]

Definitely plan on making an ocean voyage at some point - maybe even buying one to live on as an end-game or part-time end-game would suit me.

If anyone is going on a mission and wouldn't mind someone on board who'd love to pitch in a couple hands while he learns the ropes, let me know!

[Cobra]

(02-23-2016 02:43 PM)NASA Test Pilot Wrote:  

If it is only for girls and if we are talking only sailboats, I would say that you want at least a lake boat where you can go below deck and you have an open cockpit for 4 people as well as ....

Not to take away from the value of your remaining post/s but this sums it up for most guys who would like to ensure that the four people have pussies.

[Malone]

(02-22-2016 04:39 PM)Atlantic Wrote:  

(02-22-2016 03:47 PM)Chaos Wrote:  

Awesome. Sailing around the world must be one of the most amazing things to do in a lifetime.
That said, I have zero skills or experience of anything sailing related except for buliding yachts.

I wouldn't hesitate a second if I had the chance to participate in a long sailing trip as a crew member or whatever. Is that even possible?!

Any sailors here on the forum?

There are lots of sites where you can sign up to work on a sailing boat for very little or zero pay. Sometimes they will cover your expenses other times you contribute a small bit yourself. You will also have to fly yourself to a sailing hot zone to start such as the Caribbean, France, Sydney.

Different seasons have different routes which are more busier than others. Has to do with trade winds and weather. If I have time later I will try link one of these sites but not too hard to find.

I'd be interested - are these kind of sites appropriate for newbie wannabe sailors?

[C-Note]

Could an admin please break off the posts starting with NASA Test Pilot's and move to Lifestyle forum in a thread about sailing your own boat? This is one of the best threads I've seen on the forum in a long while.

[NASA Test Pilot]

@Chowder Head

The boat in the video looks like a 42 – 44 foot sloop with twin helms, but I could not make out the brand (since it has two helms, it is a newer model boat after 2005). A twin helm boat is better for racing so you can see other boats from either side depending on how you are heeling and where the sail is luffing, as a cruiser it takes up valuable cockpit space. It probably has the main state room forward in a V- berth and a second state room aft, with two small type bunk beds a mid-ship. The dining table will also lower and a mattress can be put on top for another bunk. They are in the British Virgin Islands and I have a huge amount of experience there (to include owning two boats that I had ported there over the years before retirement) so I can comment more on this location later. They were in Tortola (which will normally be the large island off your port or starboard no matter where you are in the BVI´s), then ´The Caves´ (a very cool snorkeling spot). They were in Soper´s Hole (which is also a marina on the west end of the island one of a few places to clear customs) and Simpson Bay. These are both high traffic areas and there are hundreds of places in the BVI´s with significantly less boats. This was probably their first time there. In the video he talks about taking the afternoon to help another boat (who failed to set a second anchor (Danforth) so that he would not backwind at night). This is normal and one of the very best things about the sailing community as they generally help one another as you never know when you will be in need while sailing in the middle of the ocean.

@malone

The first thing as a newbie would be to first get to a modest body of water and experiment with a small 8-12 foot boat, because what you learn in a month will be a base for a sailing trip as a deck hand. The more you learn before, the more rich the experience later, as you have a basic understanding of parts of the boat, the rigging, rules, safety, knots, etc. As a deck hand with zero experience, some of the nuances on a bigger boat will be lost. This is not a bad thing, rather it will be a potential loss for you as you look at your growth (in terms of knowledge and experienced gained) over a defined span of time. You could potentially gain more if you have some basic nautical knowledge and experience beforehand. As a whole, I recommend the progressive approach.

[Chauncey]

(02-24-2016 03:59 PM)Chowder Head Wrote:  

What size is the boat the oil rig guy/hot chick got?

http://www.yachtworld.com/boats/category...yclades+43

Beneteau Cyclades 43ft


I get real excited when I see this thread bumped and the last post is from NASA Test Pilot.