The next two years of my life are in your hands gents. Some noteworthy braindump too.
12-16-2015, 04:45 PM
I'm going to try and keep this as short as possible, but there's a lot to dump here. I'm a veteran, though I wouldn't claim that I am god tier. I'll just say I have a proficient level of mastery in woman management.
Been in a 10+ year relationship, married with 2 kids. Relationship has been strained at times, but I'm starting to wake up to the fact that she wasn't a poor choice, but wasn't the right one. I have the liberty to leave with or without the kids. If I leave with shared custody, she'd be paying me child support. Not sure if that makes me Chad, if it does, I don't feel like it. I just feel like a guy that doesn't take shit and is a tactical master who has also had some success and status in life.
I have about 6 months to a year worth of work to do to bring our "marriage" (for all intents and purposes we are married) to it's highest point. We're running well as a family, and she's making good strides being broken in. She's been a tough one since she has a doctorate degree. She has been headstrong but I've managed. In retrospect it was a lot of wasted energy that should have been spent unicorn hunting. I've got her pinned down now where she understands how its got to be in the house and things are actually the best they've been, despite the rigors of two kids and all that. She spent an extra $150K on our house to make sure I could run my business on the side from the house while I go for my masters and eventually my doctorate.
But I guess I don't really think you can truly understand what to look for, at a real level, until you've been deep deep into the beast, ya feel me? It's entirely possible I can finally win this battle, and she can surrender totally and completely, but I want to start hedging.
I love having a tight knit family, but I have grave concerns. I never understood how challenging stability is in a family compared to an LTR. Being DINKs was fucking CAKE. Jesus, how easy can your life be. Now don't get me wrong, being DINKs is stable but you're going to lose to someone who gives up DNA. That's just the reality of a woman going through their own personal crisis that "it's time." So when that time came, I decided I didn't want to lose her to someone else or play with fire, I committed. I changed myself to be a family man, no regrets there. Satisfying on a very very deep level.
What I never realized in all this is the absolutely fickle nature of a family. With a relationship, women are just disposable if you're doing it right. But with a family, you really need a foundation made of titanium. And we've got some cracks, no doubt. I know how to cement this and set us up to get us to at least getting the kids out of the house. So another 20+ years. She has 20 years to convince me not to leave her for someone younger, that's the way I look at it. But there is still a non-trivial possibility of this all going down in flames.
I've been pretty clear with her in the last couple months that I expect there to be some dramatic changes in our house. She has made great strides, and it's not just in an obedience or compliance type of way, it's helping our relationship. I now see where every relationship should be, I think I have an understanding in totality of what this place is. It's a place I think most modern relationships never make it to.
Simply put it is a man fulfilling masculine duties, making no apologies for their character and a woman submitting willfully and proudly. I have always been unapologetically masculine, but not always a leader in the way that I should have been. I'm not concerned with my ultimate status, because I've already put it all on the table. Basically if you won't submit, I'm not man enough. I offered my neck, she didn't even get the knife out. So I'm good there. But there has been struggle and at times my control was covert, not overt.
Really what I feel like I'm confronting at a thesis level is whether or not a westernized woman is capable of raising a family. She's very low in regards to what I'd say is "westernized" but AWALT. Long story short, she's not a unicorn. And I've finally I think made peace with myself of what that really means. What it means to me, is that a unicorn has a natural desire to please her man. And I think that is extremely rare.
You can make a woman submit, you can train her. We all know this. It doesn't matter how smart she is, she needs a man. But the question I'm really confronting is this.
Can you train your wife to be a unicorn, or must she be born with the horn?
I'll tell you one thing, I'm going to find out the answer to that question in the next year. I'm fairly confident, with enough effort and honesty with yourself, that you can create a unicorn IF your MAIN issue between one in nature and her is simply her natural desire to please. Society has deemed this to be one of its evil's, and we all know that women who publically admit to being first mate always stir the conversation. We've all had to defend our masculine status to the feminine men in relationships with women wearing the pants. We all know what it's like that their women respect us more than them, and we know it.
So here's the thing.
I'm fairly certain I've found a unicorn, and I want to start planting seeds. She knows that this woman is a serious threat, but she doesn't have much say in the matter. And frankly I have no interest in cheating on her with this woman, because if she'd cheat, she's not a unicorn. If she even so much as suggested cheating, I'd have a crisis the likes of which I doubt I could handle. I've never been more certain of a unicorn out in the wild. I have never seen this woman do a single thing that wasn't in the interest of a man. Men have written lore of women like this. If she was to prove to me that she was as capable of infidelity as every other woman, I swear to you guys I'll be writing a suicide note on here. This woman represents hope god damnit.
The story with this girl is that her husband has been dropping the ball for a really long time (2-3 years) and she's barely got her head above water carrying him. She's about to hit the wall, and he's the only guy she's ever slept with. This girl lived for him for over a decade, but he hasn't grown. He hasn't made the leap from young adult to man.
I think it's a good testament to the fact that no woman is the dream woman who will stay with you forever, no matter the trial or tribulation. But she's given all she can give, and all she's asked for are children.
I've been using her as the gold standard in our household. It's been controversial, but I'm standing on stone. I've put my foot down that I do want our family to last the years, and I've told her how insanely difficult this is going to be. I thought I did a good job preparing us for children, I had no idea I had only really cleaned the garage in the scheme of things.
The relationship needs to be completely devoid of insecurity or female resistance. I consider sitcom families to be a way of calming the notion that most families will fail as the women in the relationship overpower the men. This symbolic representation of "normality" is really just the crisis of an unnatural system (monogamy) which is under intense pressure from modern dating paradigms. I look at the way that relationships used to work (TradCon) and they make a lot more sense, they are a practical solution to a flawed idea. Modern dating is an idea, presented as a solution to this problem. It says that respect and "love" are the cornerstones of your relationship, that partner counts don't matter, etc etc. It's just institutionalizing, condoning and normalizing failure.
I don't care to know, or even theorize why things are this way. What I can say is that I feel a terror deep inside me to the actual challenge of keeping a family together and understanding it at a much deeper level once I've gotten to this point.
I think you spend an entire relationship training a woman and things get better, then they get strained, they get better, and you just keep working inch by inch. Years fly by when you move in, buy a house, have kids etc.
Then holy shit, we have to keep these things alive. We didn't even have to apply to get these things, this is madness! And you realize that "relationship" you had before kids was a joke. Family is on entirely different level. People kill themselves and each other for a god damn good reason over this stuff. People don't kill their friend at work for getting a promotion you thought you'd get.
This is a lot of braindump for these questions. For those that have enough experience to offer their thesis.
1 ) Do you think a woman can be turned into a unicorn? Or do you think the natural desire to please must be innate?
2) What stages do families go through, in the way that relationships go from hookup, STR, LTR, Marriage, Children?
3) How would you work the unicorn deal long term? Would you be workout buddies with her? What if her husband and your wife were scared of you two together? Would that turn you into an emotional tamp on?
Wish me luck gentleman, I'm about 70% on my alchemy theory here. That a woman can be ultimately tamed. But 30% of me tells me that it must be innate, and anecdotally these women comprise only 2-5% of the population.
Been in a 10+ year relationship, married with 2 kids. Relationship has been strained at times, but I'm starting to wake up to the fact that she wasn't a poor choice, but wasn't the right one. I have the liberty to leave with or without the kids. If I leave with shared custody, she'd be paying me child support. Not sure if that makes me Chad, if it does, I don't feel like it. I just feel like a guy that doesn't take shit and is a tactical master who has also had some success and status in life.
I have about 6 months to a year worth of work to do to bring our "marriage" (for all intents and purposes we are married) to it's highest point. We're running well as a family, and she's making good strides being broken in. She's been a tough one since she has a doctorate degree. She has been headstrong but I've managed. In retrospect it was a lot of wasted energy that should have been spent unicorn hunting. I've got her pinned down now where she understands how its got to be in the house and things are actually the best they've been, despite the rigors of two kids and all that. She spent an extra $150K on our house to make sure I could run my business on the side from the house while I go for my masters and eventually my doctorate.
But I guess I don't really think you can truly understand what to look for, at a real level, until you've been deep deep into the beast, ya feel me? It's entirely possible I can finally win this battle, and she can surrender totally and completely, but I want to start hedging.
I love having a tight knit family, but I have grave concerns. I never understood how challenging stability is in a family compared to an LTR. Being DINKs was fucking CAKE. Jesus, how easy can your life be. Now don't get me wrong, being DINKs is stable but you're going to lose to someone who gives up DNA. That's just the reality of a woman going through their own personal crisis that "it's time." So when that time came, I decided I didn't want to lose her to someone else or play with fire, I committed. I changed myself to be a family man, no regrets there. Satisfying on a very very deep level.
What I never realized in all this is the absolutely fickle nature of a family. With a relationship, women are just disposable if you're doing it right. But with a family, you really need a foundation made of titanium. And we've got some cracks, no doubt. I know how to cement this and set us up to get us to at least getting the kids out of the house. So another 20+ years. She has 20 years to convince me not to leave her for someone younger, that's the way I look at it. But there is still a non-trivial possibility of this all going down in flames.
I've been pretty clear with her in the last couple months that I expect there to be some dramatic changes in our house. She has made great strides, and it's not just in an obedience or compliance type of way, it's helping our relationship. I now see where every relationship should be, I think I have an understanding in totality of what this place is. It's a place I think most modern relationships never make it to.
Simply put it is a man fulfilling masculine duties, making no apologies for their character and a woman submitting willfully and proudly. I have always been unapologetically masculine, but not always a leader in the way that I should have been. I'm not concerned with my ultimate status, because I've already put it all on the table. Basically if you won't submit, I'm not man enough. I offered my neck, she didn't even get the knife out. So I'm good there. But there has been struggle and at times my control was covert, not overt.
Really what I feel like I'm confronting at a thesis level is whether or not a westernized woman is capable of raising a family. She's very low in regards to what I'd say is "westernized" but AWALT. Long story short, she's not a unicorn. And I've finally I think made peace with myself of what that really means. What it means to me, is that a unicorn has a natural desire to please her man. And I think that is extremely rare.
You can make a woman submit, you can train her. We all know this. It doesn't matter how smart she is, she needs a man. But the question I'm really confronting is this.
Can you train your wife to be a unicorn, or must she be born with the horn?
I'll tell you one thing, I'm going to find out the answer to that question in the next year. I'm fairly confident, with enough effort and honesty with yourself, that you can create a unicorn IF your MAIN issue between one in nature and her is simply her natural desire to please. Society has deemed this to be one of its evil's, and we all know that women who publically admit to being first mate always stir the conversation. We've all had to defend our masculine status to the feminine men in relationships with women wearing the pants. We all know what it's like that their women respect us more than them, and we know it.
So here's the thing.
I'm fairly certain I've found a unicorn, and I want to start planting seeds. She knows that this woman is a serious threat, but she doesn't have much say in the matter. And frankly I have no interest in cheating on her with this woman, because if she'd cheat, she's not a unicorn. If she even so much as suggested cheating, I'd have a crisis the likes of which I doubt I could handle. I've never been more certain of a unicorn out in the wild. I have never seen this woman do a single thing that wasn't in the interest of a man. Men have written lore of women like this. If she was to prove to me that she was as capable of infidelity as every other woman, I swear to you guys I'll be writing a suicide note on here. This woman represents hope god damnit.
The story with this girl is that her husband has been dropping the ball for a really long time (2-3 years) and she's barely got her head above water carrying him. She's about to hit the wall, and he's the only guy she's ever slept with. This girl lived for him for over a decade, but he hasn't grown. He hasn't made the leap from young adult to man.
I think it's a good testament to the fact that no woman is the dream woman who will stay with you forever, no matter the trial or tribulation. But she's given all she can give, and all she's asked for are children.
I've been using her as the gold standard in our household. It's been controversial, but I'm standing on stone. I've put my foot down that I do want our family to last the years, and I've told her how insanely difficult this is going to be. I thought I did a good job preparing us for children, I had no idea I had only really cleaned the garage in the scheme of things.
The relationship needs to be completely devoid of insecurity or female resistance. I consider sitcom families to be a way of calming the notion that most families will fail as the women in the relationship overpower the men. This symbolic representation of "normality" is really just the crisis of an unnatural system (monogamy) which is under intense pressure from modern dating paradigms. I look at the way that relationships used to work (TradCon) and they make a lot more sense, they are a practical solution to a flawed idea. Modern dating is an idea, presented as a solution to this problem. It says that respect and "love" are the cornerstones of your relationship, that partner counts don't matter, etc etc. It's just institutionalizing, condoning and normalizing failure.
I don't care to know, or even theorize why things are this way. What I can say is that I feel a terror deep inside me to the actual challenge of keeping a family together and understanding it at a much deeper level once I've gotten to this point.
I think you spend an entire relationship training a woman and things get better, then they get strained, they get better, and you just keep working inch by inch. Years fly by when you move in, buy a house, have kids etc.
Then holy shit, we have to keep these things alive. We didn't even have to apply to get these things, this is madness! And you realize that "relationship" you had before kids was a joke. Family is on entirely different level. People kill themselves and each other for a god damn good reason over this stuff. People don't kill their friend at work for getting a promotion you thought you'd get.
This is a lot of braindump for these questions. For those that have enough experience to offer their thesis.
1 ) Do you think a woman can be turned into a unicorn? Or do you think the natural desire to please must be innate?
2) What stages do families go through, in the way that relationships go from hookup, STR, LTR, Marriage, Children?
3) How would you work the unicorn deal long term? Would you be workout buddies with her? What if her husband and your wife were scared of you two together? Would that turn you into an emotional tamp on?
Wish me luck gentleman, I'm about 70% on my alchemy theory here. That a woman can be ultimately tamed. But 30% of me tells me that it must be innate, and anecdotally these women comprise only 2-5% of the population.