[rcraig33hb]

Hey BWS,

I purchased a house back in 2008 and sold it in 2013. I understand your position.

I worked in downtown Toronto and lived in Brampton East in a new built home. It was great to have the space. I hosted many UFC and NFL events at my place. I would have pre drinking affairs with my female friends before we went out on the night. Nice to have the backyard for BBQ's and chillin. I did some excavation on my front lawn and built in an extra interlocking driveway. I loved the house and those were some of the pros.

on the social life front, it will be an issue in some ways. Being a serial dater, I had a blast. I had great success meeting women from the GTA (other suburban areas like Mississauga, Richmond Hill, Burlington, Pickering...etc). These women all had cars, their own pad so it was not a big deal with these women if they had to drive to my place. But the pool of these women was a bit restricted. The larger pool, downtown Toronto, has all the action! I had success there but in a frustrating sense. Women I hooked up with, involved me picking them up from their condos in downtown/uptown or meeting them at Yorkdale subway station. After a while, this got very annoying. Now, other women I tried to hook up with in Toronto, got turned off instantly once they heard I was out in the Suburbs. Some of them have that mentality where they prefer their geographical bubble...and it was a very small bubble as some have said they would not go even North of Bloor to date men. Also, Toronto men have said the same thing when meeting and dating women.

If your a young cat, the commute should not be a problem. If you have a large social circle and get out often then the distance for friends and some women you come across won't be that big of a deal.

Good Luck!

[blacknwhitespade]

Good discussion we have here.

A suburban house would block me from picking up drunk whores at bars/clubs in the city for hook-ups, but there are other styles of Game that I've moved onto anyways: international travel, online dating/apps, etc. I'm not a 23 year old hipster anymore, so not living in an apt in the city might not be such a loss for me anyways. Chicago/American women seriously aren't all that anyways, I'd rather have a girlfriend in another country, or have the resources/flexibility to go crash Mexico or South America for 2 weeks and get some women.

I'm going to focus on finding the best combination: affordability, desirability/appreciation, proximity to work and the closer to the urban core the better. True that houses near commuter rails or closer to the urban core will appreciate faster, sort of a high risk/high reward situation I'd be putting myself into. I've heard a lot of naysayers warning me about not getting my hopes up about investment value/appreciation, but Chicagoland is indeed gentrifying and houses have been undervalued around here for quite some time. I have at least one roommate lined up to help with the mortgage. I could grab another, plus I anticipate my next career move will bring in more income for me, which could open me up to even more desirable neighborhoods.

[blacknwhitespade]

(11-25-2015 11:37 AM)rcraig33hb Wrote:  

Hey BWS,

I purchased a house back in 2008 and sold it in 2013. I understand your position.

I worked in downtown Toronto and lived in Brampton East in a new built home. It was great to have the space. I hosted many UFC and NFL events at my place. I would have pre drinking affairs with my female friends before we went out on the night. Nice to have the backyard for BBQ's and chillin. I did some excavation on my front lawn and built in an extra interlocking driveway. I loved the house and those were some of the pros.

on the social life front, it will be an issue in some ways. Being a serial dater, I had a blast. I had great success meeting women from the GTA (other suburban areas like Mississauga, Richmond Hill, Burlington, Pickering...etc). These women all had cars, their own pad so it was not a big deal with these women if they had to drive to my place. But the pool of these women was a bit restricted. The larger pool, downtown Toronto, has all the action! I had success there but in a frustrating sense. Women I hooked up with, involved me picking them up from their condos in downtown/uptown or meeting them at Yorkdale subway station. After a while, this got very annoying. Now, other women I tried to hook up with in Toronto, got turned off instantly once they heard I was out in the Suburbs. Some of them have that mentality where they prefer their geographical bubble...and it was a very small bubble as some have said they would not go even North of Bloor to date men. Also, Toronto men have said the same thing when meeting and dating women.

If your a young cat, the commute should not be a problem. If you have a large social circle and get out often then the distance for friends and some women you come across won't be that big of a deal.

Good Luck!

Sounds an awful lot like Chicago. There are lots of girls who live in the trendy/yuppie/hipster neighborhoods near downtown who have this real snobby attitude if you live in the suburbs or less trendy parts of the city, especially the transplants who have no roots to Illinois. They treat the suburbs like it's some creepy foreign country, like a 40 minute drive is an LDR. That's Chicago for ya, socially and ethnically segregated and lots of cliquish midwest people with small minded concept of geography. It's one of multiple aspects that draw me more towards just finding women overseas anyways. I'd rather go to a target-rich spot in Latin America where I don't have to encounter trixies, hood rats, plain jane white girls and self-hating minorities.

Unfortunately, my friends live in the city, and that's where I like to go for the bars, music/dance, sports games, etc. The Chicago burbs are very limited for singles, I really only know family members out here, and then have a few friends up in southeastern Wisconsin, which is actually quite close to the north suburbs. There are single women who live in the burbs, but very few venues to meet them at out here. Everyone sort of conjugates in the city, and of course American girls aren't impressed if you own a house, have a good job, etc. You can be a good-looking, talented, interesting guy and still have city girls give you that zip code snobbery attitude around here.

[rcraig33hb]

[/quote] and of course American girls aren't impressed if you own a house, have a good job, etc. You can be a good-looking, talented, interesting guy and still have city girls give you that zip code snobbery attitude around here.
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LMAO - That's exactly Toronto as well!

[Drazen]

(11-25-2015 12:16 PM)blacknwhitespade Wrote:  

Sounds an awful lot like Chicago. There are lots of girls who live in the trendy/yuppie/hipster neighborhoods near downtown who have this real snobby attitude if you live in the suburbs or less trendy parts of the city, especially the transplants who have no roots to Illinois. They treat the suburbs like it's some creepy foreign country, like a 40 minute drive is an LDR. That's Chicago for ya, socially and ethnically segregated and lots of cliquish midwest people with small minded concept of geography. It's one of multiple aspects that draw me more towards just finding women overseas anyways. I'd rather go to a target-rich spot in Latin America where I don't have to encounter trixies, hood rats, plain jane white girls and self-hating minorities.

Unfortunately, my friends live in the city, and that's where I like to go for the bars, music/dance, sports games, etc. The Chicago burbs are very limited for singles, I really only know family members out here, and then have a few friends up in southeastern Wisconsin, which is actually quite close to the north suburbs. There are single women who live in the burbs, but very few venues to meet them at out here. Everyone sort of conjugates in the city, and of course American girls aren't impressed if you own a house, have a good job, etc. You can be a good-looking, talented, interesting guy and still have city girls give you that zip code snobbery attitude around here.

Count your blessings, a 5 mile distance in the actual city of Los Angeles is where it starts getting geographically undesirable so of course if you live in the suburbs 45 minutes to an hour away you are going to be geographically undesirable. Not to mention that those in the suburbs have a certain lifestyle and to someone living in the city you're probably looking really vanilla. I mean I live like 6 miles from work and I have a 30 minute commute into work and a 45 minute commute back after work. Traffic sucks, but I would rather live in a cool area with options than a boring area with no options, especially if you're in your prime.

You state that you will go out of the country to find women, but how realistic is that? How many times have you gone out of the country, how long have you stayed and how much vacation do you have? I mean, you're only going to enjoy 2 weeks out of every year? When you live in a city you can go out on a weekday. You can go to networking events, parties, clubs, bars, sports events, etc. Its not all just 23 year old hipsters and junkies. You said Chicago is cliquish, but guess what, if you live there you are in that clique. You have friends there that like to go out, there are places to go out and there are girls to meet there. Living in a major city you will be cultured and this will translate to you being a smoother person when you do end up going to Latin America.

The only reason you should be living in the boonies is if you are absolutely killing it financially with a really high paying job, but it sounds like the only advantage is in your situation is you can get a newer 3000 square foot house for $300k (and your family is still going to have to help you out with the down payment, etc). The tradeoff with your life stlye is not worth it.

I've probably been to Chicago about 10 times, my takeaway is that it is not a very expensive city to live in, lots of young easy girls from all over the midwest migrate to the city and slut it up, the people are nice and the food is good. Most of the times I've gone 10 miles outside the city, it does seem like a foreign country, everything is backwards.

[blacknwhitespade]

^^I only have 2 weeks vacation given my current situation, but it may change if I shake up my career some. It's somewhat realistic in that I already have one girl I'm seeing in Mexico.

People in Chicago are alright I suppose, they're "friendly" if you're white and live in the city. If you live in the suburbs or are a minority, it's not so friendly a city. The girls are run-of-the-mill American. I'm not keen on banging big ten university bar sluts whose fashion sense is about 3 or 4 notches below the women I've met Latin America and Europe.