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(04-21-2016 02:29 PM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

@XXL

OP has a problem that game solves, but red pill does not.

WIA

Seems like he doesn't know that.

(04-20-2016 08:59 PM)pialox Wrote:  

As with all that type of conversation its a sure fire way to dry some women up like the Sahara. As a result it was impossible to steer the conversation where I had the ability in which to escalate physically. Which of course runs the danger of pushing things into friendzone territory

So I ask brothers, those of you who have found yourself going down this path of screening or subject matter.
How do you break the cycle?
Am I alone in this?
How can I disperse or steer conversation into a sexual way from these topics?
Should I have a red pill detox?

There was a time when I learned too much about game and felt an urge to talk about it to impress people how smart ass I was. That didn't help me at all because again, some things are better left unsaid. Imagine narrating out loud what actually happens in the moment like "I know what she did there, she just said that shit as a trick to test me to see if I really believe it or I'm I'm full of shit like any other guy, girls do it all the time, so common, too bad I know at least 5 different answers to such tests, depending on how I want to make her feel, blablabla...".

It's the same thing with going red pill on somebody. It sounds equally lame as telling a girl that she needs a man to save her from herself so that she can live a good life cause without him she's lost and doomed for disaster and that's why feminism hates patriarchy cause it ridicule woman's independence blablabla...

Wanna save a date and enjoy the girl? Forget that shit and start flirting with her, focus on her, let her talk, mess with her, have a good time, surprise, challenge, make her heart beat faster, soak up her beauty, etc.

Evoke emotions, capture her imagination, seduce her mind.

I can talk about red can of coca cola she's drinking and it will be much more interesting for her than red pill stuff cause I can talk about how cola makes me fat and stupid but every time I taste it I see that red truck coming and polar bear smiling which isn't even a real polar bear but a cartoon one but who cares, it's cute, I'm already sold, so I ask if she has her own bear to hug before she goes to sleep, if not we should go on a mission to pick one that but it has to look kind of like me cause I want to fall asleep with her so when I can't she can grab him and smell my cologne on him and feel safe blablabla....

It sounds silly reading it but it's all about presentation and your vibe, the way you look at her, how you speak to her, how you touch her, etc etc.

You want to debate red pill? Cool. Do it with your smart ass guy friends over few beers. They will get it when you will say something harsh and outlandish like a true red pill junkie.

With girls though? I see no point in telling how 3 date rule is wrong cause men don't like being lead on and actually don't view women who play hard to get as more valuable blablabla.. Don't talk about sex or what you think of women using it as a bait, she knows you want to sleep with her. She wants some romance. Give her some game, give her some polar bear first, take her to wonderland away from the bar where she can be little Alice that she wants to be.

[VforVlad]

(04-20-2016 09:14 PM)pialox Wrote:  

I suppose it isnt so much of who I'm dating its more that i feel my perhaps over consumption of red pill news and current affairs is causing me to go to that subject matter quickly.

This was (or maybe still is) me. I think I lost a girl because of this. The longer you keep seeing them, the better the odds that these views start to leak out...especially if they bring up a topic that is congruent with red pill ideology.

It's a big part of you...you can't just ignore it and play the good salesman. But yes, being playful while leaking your views is the solution, i'd say.

[VforVlad]

These are some of my real life conversation/encounters where I was prompted to leak my views...that I can remember off the top of my head. And I'm paraphrasing

Her:

"Don't tell me you're voting for Trump"

Me: I just think he is funny and a good troll. He riles ppl up


Talking about a club we both know

Her: "I can't believe they have a cover charge for girls there. I'm a girl...i should be able to get in free"

Me: OH yeah?

Her: Yes, blah blah blah...and guys buy us drinks

Me: Well I read somewhere that guys buying girls drinks at bars/clubs is on the decline?

Her: Really? Hmm...I haven't heard of that

Me: It's true...I rarely see a guy buying a girl a drink when I'm out. We're on to your girls shit

Her: Smiling (laugh)

[birthday cat]

(04-21-2016 01:18 PM)XXL Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 09:35 AM)birthday cat Wrote:  

(04-21-2016 12:27 AM)XXL Wrote:  

Quick question What's the point of touching upon red pill topics with a woman at all?

Maybe you are less interested in banging and more interested in telling other guys how alpha you are for not tolerating how her group's groupthink doesn't agree with your group's groupthink.

Telling other guys how alpha I am for not tolerating how her group's groupthink doesn't agree with my group's groupthink would imply that I care about what those guys think so much that I feel inside the need to confront them and show how better I am. Which is by and of itself a clear signal of low status.

If you like to debate a bit then here's what I know... So called alpha guy that you're referring to does not give a flying fuck about what regular people think, do, say, unless it directly affects his well being. He's not the loudest in the room, doesn't care about being viewed as right and he actually prefers when others stay confused, wrong, mislead cause that means they're behind and he's ahead. He walks his own path, tolerate everyday bullshit people do/say, chuckle inside out of pity and does what he wants.

My comment was a sarcastic answer to the question and directed at the guys who are too much red pill not enough game. I agree with almost everything you have said.

(04-21-2016 01:18 PM)XXL Wrote:  

Because there are 2 different camps in this sphere. Camp "red pill fans / game philosophers" and camp "game players". None of them are wrong or right, they just have different focus.

I used to be in the first camp. I think I was wrong about a lot of things or at least I wasn't on a path leading to a lot of happiness with women.

(04-20-2016 08:59 PM)pialox Wrote:  

So I ask brothers, those of you who have found yourself going down this path of screening or subject matter.
How do you break the cycle?
Am I alone in this?
How can I disperse or steer conversation into a sexual way from these topics?
Should I have a red pill detox?

You are not alone. I've been there and done that. It is kind of like banging your head against a brick wall. Eventually you realize you are only hurting yourself.

I don't think it is screening. I think calling it screening is just a rationalization for an unhealthy obsession with those topics which leads to an inability to focus on more appropriate topics or flirting. I suggest completely avoiding those topics when interacting with women.

Break the cycle by spending a lot more time interacting with girls than reading or writing on the Internet. And when you are reading, avoid theory and focus on positive and practical game advice.

I had a long conversation with a forum member about this recently. We agreed that most guys learn a lot of incorrect information when they grow up. They pedestalize girls and don't realize that girls can be manipulative, deceptive, toxic, etc. Then they get angry at girls because they aren't successful. They read the manosphere which makes them more angry. They correct their "beta" mentality but it is usually a large over-correction where they become very negative and begin to believe that girls are almost evil. You have to have the intelligence to self-adjust back to a more realistic place.

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(04-21-2016 09:07 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  

I still can't understand why red pill guys are anti game.
It makes no sense to me.

WIA

That's why Roosh created the idea of neomasculinity.

"Red pill" was so loosely defined that even VirginTOWs, as Aaron Clarey called certain MGTOWs, could adopt it.

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(04-21-2016 06:16 PM)birthday cat Wrote:  

Break the cycle by spending a lot more time interacting with girls than reading or writing on the Internet. And when you are reading, avoid theory and focus on positive and practical game advice.

That's it right there.

Time spent on the internet can be vastly rewarding, but in the dangerously seductive waters of researchtainment, people-watching, and "reality" communication lie strong currents of dopamine and intermittent reward. The end result is more satisfaction than truth or progress.

Notice how deep-diving into something technical to solve a problem or to fix or build a physical item requires a deeper level of focus and intellectual honesty to achieve the end result. It's not about the dopamine or emotional epiphanies, it's grounded in truth.

Researchtainment is the ultimate cop-out -- it absolutely can help entertain and provide insight, but with enormous opportunity cost. Similar dopamine payoff to habitual porn-fapping?