[General Stalin]

Stunned I could not find a thread about this...

Had an idea last night to start a fake adult film production outfit as a way to bang cute young girls for basically zero effort. I've been thinking about it all night and this morning and have been brainstorming ways to make it work and avoid any kind of legal issues.

This would be similar to casting call game or modeling agency game with one extra caveat: girls are there specifically for sex and don't need to be gamed.

I would have a friend help me and front ourselves as a 2-man production crew, maybe we're a subsidiary of a larger well-known production company (Bangbros, Brazzers, Realitykings, whatever). Put out ads on CL and/or dating sites like OKC and POF. Our niche is "real girls" found through social media/online dating so it's a decent sounding story and marketable. Get a couple of decent quality cameras and get our hands on some amateur studio lighting to make the "set" look relatively professional. Draft some "release forms" and talk up a gameplan about how this is a "casting" and the girl is not getting paid but if the audition goes well and our bosses like her and think we can use her talents then she will get called back and can make anywhere between $xxx-$xxxx per shoot depending on what she will do. We ask a bunch of questions camera then get down to business.

I think this is potentially doable as a sort of bang-hack. The best thing is by doing this you get a lot of perks: indiscriminatingly screen girls for attractiveness and documented STD-free and birthcontrol-ready. All girls are obviously 100% DTF and get freaky, remember they will be there to impress so they will look hot and do things they wouldn't normally do with joe blow from the bar/campus. And you get some high-quality video of you and your boy smashing hotties like there is no tomorrow.

Now the cons: how to avoid legal trouble. Obviously tricking girls into fucking me and my friend under the guise of getting work in the adult entertainment industry could go pretty South. I'm curious what kind of potential legal repercussions could possibly come from this if SOMEHOW a hopeful-starlet catches wind of the ruse. Granted we will have plain-as-day video of the girl having consensual sex so there wouldn't necessarily be any "rape" convictions going on, but being exposed as fake business without proper licensing etc. if someone went that far could be harmful. Girls aren't all air up their so many(most) would research the name and see if we have a website/videos etc.

One foolproof option would be to actually commit to it and contact a production company - which in that case I am officially starting a career in adult film production legitimately and making money of off fucking cute girls. Thats a whole nother discussion.

Another way could be to front myself as strictly an audition office and use a big company like I said above. We aren't porn stars just guys tasked with rallying casting, asking questions, and seeing what a girl can do. This way we have an alibi for why a girl never sees myself or my friend in videos and if they look up a name like "bangbros" or whatever then they will see they are a real company and have videos.

I think I'm onto something here.

[robreke]

The thread title alone made me laugh out loud. Could be potential genius idea here.

[lurker]

Rape by deception hasn't been upheld in any US jurisdiction yet, although the feminists are frothing over it after the Israeli high court affirmed a rape by deception case a couple years back where an Arab banged a hot Jewess by pretending to be of the Tribe.

You're committing fraud against the girl that could be the basis of a civil suit, although its hard to pin down what her damages in reliance on your misrepresentations are. Criminal fraud requires the parting of property, so you're probably OK there. On the other hand, if the girl admits to being a hooker - which, face it, she basically is - you robbed her of her "shoot fees" by deception and face liability on both. See below.

If you're in CA, you run the risk of facing a (Bus. & Prof. Code) 17200 suit, although you have the unusual defense that you're not actually a business and thus not committing a business act. Some other states probably have similar statutes.

If you claim to be a subsidiary or agent of a real company, you're going to get sued by that real company. They will be able to fuck you. Don't do that.

If you do video record it, you have to be sure and collect 2257 data. Here's a link to the statute. https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/2257

Be sure to get that she's not getting paid on camera; the easiest way for a girl to fuck you back on this would be to claim you made the video and then stiffed her on a $2k shoot fee.

[STriple-R]

Aside from banging some beauty's AND have it on tape with close to zero effort is VERY tempting, this idea for me personally is going a step or 2 beyond my moral borders. Maybe I'm saying some really dumb shit because I'm totally new in the world of 'game', but to me this doesn't qualify within game.

I think you guys may get into serious legal problems with this. I think a judge will say this is just scamming people. IF you do this, why not change your plan a bit and be a bit more honest. Don't say you work for Brazzers/Bangbros but tell them you will try and sell the movie you made with her. Tell her that if you can sell them, they get a big chunk of the pie AND have a 'way into the industry'. Present yourself and your buddy like a first step into adult movies.

I know this is similar to your idea, but just like game is all about how you pitch it. Yeah, I think my idea is better!

So, register a legit company (I don't know about the costs of it but here in the Netherlands something like that is very cheap) and be sure to stay just between the borders of the law and get your story straight. I think that way you indeed might have a chance to pull this off. Damn, you could even make some money if done right!

[OregonToSoCal]

According to another manosphere blog there's a guy who runs a fake calendar casting scheme similar to this and he's supposedly the real deal. Many of his videos are posted on the popular porn sites. I'm very skeptical if they're legit but I will say the girls who show up at his "studio" are very convincing in their reactions to him and seem genuinely surprised that he has a camera and are suspicious of his intentions. We've all been tortured by hideous "acting" in adult videos so there may be something to this.

[Menace]

Presumably you have to agree to pay girl $X for the performance. No one is going to agree to do this based on verbal agreement. They will probably "know" that something needs to be signed. When you don't give her $X, then what? She can leave the studio, call 911, then you have a big problem on your hands.

Instead of figuring out how to scam girls, why don't you try and figure out how you can make actual money on this. For example, what will weird fetish sites pay you for original content (e.g. furries, or people into balloons, or whatever crazy shit is there)? You can bang normally, then add some weird non-sexual kink, and you kill two birds with one stone without any fraud.

As an experiment, why don't you see who would show up to a casting call...why not see what the actual talent is? I suspect it will not be nearly as good as you think.

[General Stalin]

(06-26-2015 12:58 PM)Menace Wrote:  

Presumably you have to agree to pay girl $X for the performance. No one is going to agree to do this based on verbal agreement. They will probably "know" that something needs to be signed. When you don't give her $X, then what? She can leave the studio, call 911, then you have a big problem on your hands.

Instead of figuring out how to scam girls, why don't you try and figure out how you can make actual money on this. For example, what will weird fetish sites pay you for original content (e.g. furries, or people into balloons, or whatever crazy shit is there)? You can bang normally, then add some weird non-sexual kink, and you kill two birds with one stone without any fraud.

As an experiment, why don't you see who would show up to a casting call...why not see what the actual talent is? I suspect it will not be nearly as good as you think.

The "agreement" is no different than any other audition for a film, TV show, play, etc. You don't get paid to audition but you do sign a release for for consent and the rights to any information or video taken. The only difference is instead of reciting lines and demo'ing your dramatic prowess in front of a camera and a panel of people, you spread your legs and get fucked at sexily as you can.

I think doing this "legit" may be a solid route, or as STriple-R said - maybe frame it as we are an "up and coming" production company looking to make a mark in the industry etc. The only risk there is that is will be harder to convince girls to spread if the potential to make serious money is barely on the table, I mean... unless fo course she thinks we're good looking and just wants to fuck on camera regardless because its kinky.

[Menace]

(06-26-2015 01:13 PM)General Stalin Wrote:  

The "agreement" is no different than any other audition for a film, TV show, play, etc. You don't get paid to audition but you do sign a release for for consent and the rights to any information or video taken. The only difference is instead of reciting lines and demo'ing your dramatic prowess in front of a camera and a panel of people, you spread your legs and get fucked at sexily as you can.

Right, but what I was getting at is that while these videos are billed as "auditions," in reality they are paid performance. I mean a girl would have to be insanely dumb to agree to something like this without seeing the cash. But I think nothing would surprise me anymore.

Anyway, screen some candidates at least and see who comes by.

[redbeard]

Guys, seriously stop.

http://www.rooshv.com/there-is-no-shortc...tting-laid

[RockHard]

For the question, "are girls that dumb?" the answer is YES! You could definitely make this work.

I think in general, porn is moving away from CA because of the legalities involved. AZ and FL have a good population of hot chicks and favorable laws. Backroom Casting Couch is one outfit doing this in Arizona, Fake Agent does this in EE, I think there's another big one in Florida. Or so I hear

Phoenix New Times has a hardon for the Backroom Casting Couch guy, they've run a few stories on him, for example:
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/back...es-6639769
http://www.phoenixnewtimes.com/news/back...nt-6665086

also
https://ulsterrambler.wordpress.com/2011...etworking/
http://www.salon.com/2013/03/29/real_spr...s_partner/

He did an AMA too: http://www.reddit.com/r/IAmA/comments/o9...ar_of_the/

[Simeon_Strangelight]

All the casting couch videos you see are paid performances - some by newbies. So essentially you need to at least pay the girls. The video may never reach the light of day, but the contract should be best by a real company.

Some girls are willing to do it for as little as 200$, but the hotties know their value and often won't go below 2000$.

In the US there are a ton of legal trouble you can get into. It's much easier in Europe, Eastern Europe or even South America. Plenty of loopholes exist, but as soon as you put the vid online, then it's trouble.

I have a wealthy acquaintance who did model casting couch game. But he hired an actual legit PR company and started an marketing campaign for his company. The campaign was not really necessary, but he wanted to spend the cash and see how many models he could bang. He managed to fuck 30-40% and picked a few for the the actual campaign. The whole stunt cost him 5 digits, which wasn't much since it was a business expense. Still - he never did it again, since he found out what he was looking for and realized that models or actresses will indeed fuck for jobs.

The porn arena however is more difficult. If you have some cash, then you can actually make into a real biz and fuck pretty young things, but it takes more cash to land the really hot ones - also set up the legal aspects.

[DonnyGately]

My buddy is a legit part-time H'wood producer. I've never traded on that fact - and he's flat out told me hot girls are very upfront with wanting to sleep with him in hope of getting a part - so maybe I should start?

[jariel]

Shit like this "fine" as long as guys don't cry when a chick says, "It's okay, I'm on the pill" then she texts you a month later saying she's late or "Hey, you might want to go to the doctor, I have..."

Dirtbaggery goes both ways.

Fraud isn't game, so as a player I won't co-sign it, and as someone who legitimately works in that world, I definitely won't co-sign it, some of us are in it for money and pussy happens to be one by-product of the business, meanwhile thirst quenchers are just pretending to be in it to get their dicks wet.

[Menace]

(06-26-2015 03:06 PM)jariel Wrote:  

Fraud isn't game, so as a player I won't co-sign it, and as someone who legitimately works in that world, I definitely won't co-sign it, some of us are in it for money and pussy happens to be one by-product of the business, meanwhile thirst quenchers are just pretending to be in it to get their dicks wet.

You work in the adult film industry? Tell us more.

[Carboneraser]

Id say the easiest way to avoid any legal repercussions would be to actually get into the industry. The ones on porn sites for the most part are fake. As well, if youre gonna put the effort into the lighting, cameras, advertisements, might as well make some money from it. All you need to do is forward the names and videos even if youre making scrap from it. Thatll help cover the $$$ and legality.

Good luck! Thought about this a while ago but wasnt willing to put the effort in or know where to start.

[CaracaoSteel]

(06-26-2015 07:28 PM)Carboneraser Wrote:  

Id say the easiest way to avoid any legal repercussions would be to actually get into the industry. The ones on porn sites for the most part are fake. As well, if youre gonna put the effort into the lighting, cameras, advertisements, might as well make some money from it. All you need to do is forward the names and videos even if youre making scrap from it. Thatll help cover the $$$ and legality.

Good luck! Thought about this a while ago but wasnt willing to put the effort in or know where to start.

Yes, plus they always blue our the face of the 'interviewer', so if you don't have any recognizable tattoos you should be good.