[Simeon_Strangelight]

(07-11-2017 09:26 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

10 African-American males. I am not sure why you are criticising the need to perform simple research. We are both advocates of using Vitamin C. I am simply saying do not take anyone's word as gospel, including yours or mine. Everyone should take personal responsibility and do their own research.

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Potential Contraindication

G6PD is an enzyme your red blood cells need to maintain membrane integrity. High-dose IV vitamin C is a strong prooxidant, and giving a prooxidant to a G6PD-deficient individual can cause their red blood cells to rupture, which could have disastrous consequences.

Fortunately, G6PC deficiency is relatively uncommon, and can be tested for. People of Mediterranean and African descent are at greater risk of being G6PC deficient. Worldwide, G6PD deficiency is thought to affect 400 million individuals, and in the U.S. an estimated 1 in 10 African-American males have it.31

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...epsis.aspx

You truly were looking for the needle in the haystack there mate, eh?

https://ghr.nlm.nih.gov/condition/glucos...#diagnosis

The study has zero on such a potential reaction to IV of vitamin C. It speaks rather of a strong reaction to antibiotic treatment. I would rather bet that if you add certain meds like bloodthinner, antiobiotics AND ON TOP OF IT IV doses of vitamin C, then you are in trouble. But until you have it proven that actual pure application of vitamin C killed someone, then you can go and suck it.

The globalist medical mafia has been scourging the planet each year finding all the supposed dead that will flooding in any minute now due to consuming too many vitamins. And this while they kill 200.000 Americans alone - look it up - 200.000 die each year on their own meds IF they are even applied correctly.

Orthomolecular medicine is now a field of study in some many countries and I also know that some doctors have started applying it on their as a side field - treating even cancer successfully (risking a bit their job, but they do it only on stage 3-4 patients, so they have not much left to lose). One woman I know personally who was told to go and make a will by doctors. 6 months later after a vegan raw food diet, IV injections and supplements the stage IV cancer was not in remission - it was gone. But she should have been dead by now.

Yeah - blood vessels will rupture. Indeed.....

[Tail Gunner]

(07-11-2017 10:25 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(07-11-2017 09:26 AM)Tail Gunner Wrote:  

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Potential Contraindication

G6PD is an enzyme your red blood cells need to maintain membrane integrity. High-dose IV vitamin C is a strong prooxidant, and giving a prooxidant to a G6PD-deficient individual can cause their red blood cells to rupture, which could have disastrous consequences.

Fortunately, G6PC deficiency is relatively uncommon, and can be tested for. People of Mediterranean and African descent are at greater risk of being G6PC deficient. Worldwide, G6PD deficiency is thought to affect 400 million individuals, and in the U.S. an estimated 1 in 10 African-American males have it.31

http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articl...epsis.aspx

As for Mercola - I look at part of his stuff, but would not call him an orthomolecular doctor.

Interesting that you have gravitated towards him rather than the thousands of studies and reports on the other sites.

Too funny. All I did was click on one of the three web links that you yourself supplied in post #23 -- and then I read the very first article about Vitamin C. So, it was actually you who "gravitated towards him."

At any rate, we have both supplied enough information so that other forum members can make up their own minds. We are certainly both advocates of using Vitamin C supplementation and I respect your opinion. I just advocate researching things more thoroughly before jumping into the deep end.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Because you failed to mention the other points mentioned in the very same article that noted the scores of healing capability from simple stuff like measles on to cancer.

The study about the genetic deficiency is a fully hypothetical one and has so far nothing on it except sensibility to antiobiotics. And never forget what former scientific medical journal magazine editors said - not only the Lancet but other editors - 3/4 of studies are pure bullshit and propaganda.

I read scores and scores of studies. The vitamin C ones by the mainstream sheisters were always either:

a) using inferior products like aspartame laden crappy stuff from the supermarket and were usually meta-studies - "Study has proven that people who took vitamin c supplements were sicker after 6 months in the UK" - no shit, no mention about dose, product etc. - if they took the supermarket crap or 90% of the supplements out there, then no wonder

b) they use vitamin c in diseases and stop at doses of 500mg/day. They are usually very careful to stop at that level, because they know from other independent studies that it may get slightly tricky if they go beyond and actually have tremendous reactions

I posted Mercola, because he has a wide variety of topics, he may add some "potentially contraindicatory" to still get the veneer of some mainstream appeal - he does get invited to mainstream TV channels despite his other views.

If IV of Vitamin C would cause such drastic reactions then I would assume that we would have thousands of dead by now already. And the medical mafia would be blasting it across the world. But we don't and this is a problem to them, so they rather rely on "potential danger" studies that later get proven to be bunk.

[Tail Gunner]

(07-11-2017 11:44 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Because you failed to mention the other points mentioned in the very same article that noted the scores of healing capability from simple stuff like measles on to cancer.

Well, as I have stated repeatedly, that is because I do not disagree with any of those points. I love Vitamin C!

Best regards.

[stefpdt]

@Zelcorpion did you ever drop your vitamin C datasheet?

I'm trying to determine how useful mega-dosing vitamin C can be for severe inflammation (think autoimmune diseases).

The only thing that worries me is the last bit of advice listed on http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html - which is where Dr. Cathcart expands on potential "complications":

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There is a certain dependency on ascorbic acid that a patient acquires over a long period of time when he takes large maintenance doses. Apparently, certain metabolic reactions are facilitated by large amounts of ascorbate and if the substance is suddenly withdrawn, certain problems result such as a cold, return of allergy, fatigue, etc. Mostly, these problems are a return of problems the patient had before taking the ascorbic acid. Patients have by this time become so adjusted to feeling better that they refuse to go without ascorbic acid. Patients do not seem to acquire this dependency in the short time they take doses to bowel tolerance to treat an acute disease. Maintenance doses of 4 grams per day do not seem to create a noticeable dependency. The majority of patients who take over 10-15 grams of ascorbic acid per day probably have certain metabolic needs for ascorbate which exceed the universal human species need. Patients with chronic allergies often take large maintenance doses.

The major problem feared by patients benefiting from these large maintenance doses of ascorbic acid is that they may be forced into a position where their body is deprived of ascorbate during a period of great stress such as emergency hospitalization. Physicians should recognize the consequences of suddenly withdrawing ascorbate under these circumstances and be prepared to meet these increased metabolic needs for ascorbate in even an unconscious patient. These consequences of ascorbate depletion which may include shock, heart attack, phlebitis, pneumonia, allergic reactions, increased susceptibility to infection, etc., may be averted only by ascorbate. Patients unable to take large oral doses should be given intravenous ascorbate. All hospitals should have supplies of large amounts of ascorbate for intravenous use to meet this need. The millions of people taking ascorbic acid makes this an urgent priority. Patients should carry warnings of these needs in a card prominently displayed in their wallets or have a Medic Alert type bracelet engraved with this warning.

I 100% believe in the massive benefits of mega-dosing vitamin C. But it seems like Dr. Cathcart may have unfortunately predicted his own death (after being unable to take vitamin C while under hospitalization).

After mega-dosing vitamin C to fight sickness/disease, are you supposed to take maintenance doses for life?

[Tail Gunner]

(08-09-2017 11:22 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

I'm trying to determine how useful mega-dosing vitamin C can be for severe inflammation (think autoimmune diseases).

Changing your diet is the best way to address severe inflammation from an autoimmune disease. This book is a great place to start:

https://www.amazon.com/Everything-Guide-...ne+mccombs

The book also discusses the use of various vitamins and supplements. For example, it notes that MDs have used high-dose vitamin C of 5,000 to 20,000 mg for many decades to combat stress and autoimmune disease. Good luck.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-09-2017 11:22 PM)stefpdt Wrote:  

@Zelcorpion did you ever drop your vitamin C datasheet?

I'm trying to determine how useful mega-dosing vitamin C can be for severe inflammation (think autoimmune diseases).

The only thing that worries me is the last bit of advice listed on http://www.doctoryourself.com/titration.html - which is where Dr. Cathcart expands on potential "complications":

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There is a certain dependency on ascorbic acid that a patient acquires over a long period of time when he takes large maintenance doses. Apparently, certain metabolic reactions are facilitated by large amounts of ascorbate and if the substance is suddenly withdrawn, certain problems result such as a cold, return of allergy, fatigue, etc. Mostly, these problems are a return of problems the patient had before taking the ascorbic acid. Patients have by this time become so adjusted to feeling better that they refuse to go without ascorbic acid. Patients do not seem to acquire this dependency in the short time they take doses to bowel tolerance to treat an acute disease. Maintenance doses of 4 grams per day do not seem to create a noticeable dependency. The majority of patients who take over 10-15 grams of ascorbic acid per day probably have certain metabolic needs for ascorbate which exceed the universal human species need. Patients with chronic allergies often take large maintenance doses.

The major problem feared by patients benefiting from these large maintenance doses of ascorbic acid is that they may be forced into a position where their body is deprived of ascorbate during a period of great stress such as emergency hospitalization. Physicians should recognize the consequences of suddenly withdrawing ascorbate under these circumstances and be prepared to meet these increased metabolic needs for ascorbate in even an unconscious patient. These consequences of ascorbate depletion which may include shock, heart attack, phlebitis, pneumonia, allergic reactions, increased susceptibility to infection, etc., may be averted only by ascorbate. Patients unable to take large oral doses should be given intravenous ascorbate. All hospitals should have supplies of large amounts of ascorbate for intravenous use to meet this need. The millions of people taking ascorbic acid makes this an urgent priority. Patients should carry warnings of these needs in a card prominently displayed in their wallets or have a Medic Alert type bracelet engraved with this warning.

I 100% believe in the massive benefits of mega-dosing vitamin C. But it seems like Dr. Cathcart may have unfortunately predicted his own death (after being unable to take vitamin C while under hospitalization).

After mega-dosing vitamin C to fight sickness/disease, are you supposed to take maintenance doses for life?

As noted in the examples by Dr. Cathcart - if you take 10-15 grams as a maintenance dose your body is actually constantly immune system compromised - which means that you have an underlying condition that is not going away. That is a very small part of the population and those people need the dose to stay healthy. This not normal - most guys here - if they start taking daily 10-15grams, then it is going to end in daily titration and diarrhea-like reactions indicating to you that you don't need that much. I took 20grams / day during my strongest allergy bouts, but my allergies have disappeared by now.

This kind of vitamin c dependence is not something many people should care about - chronically ill people should, but frankly those people would probably be dead or have a significantly decreased life quality without taking the daily high maintenance dose. Most men here are should at best take 2-8 grams depending on workout/travel/exercise/sex routines - for maintenance.

During sickness I took over 100grams per day. Friends of mine took 25grams/day for tooth-aches/dental procedutres with tremendous results in terms of healing speed and pain reduction, so that the dentist was even dumbfounded.

In short - if you are dependent on such large doses of maintenance vitamin C, then you better make sure to get them while being in hospital. Nowadays there are orthomolecular doctors all across the world - if you fear an accident and want your vitamin C injection to continue, then you need to plan ahead for that.

No idea what happened with Dr. Cathcart - he certainly died prematurely in his 70s for an orthomolecular doctor. But he certainly became one only later. Most of those buggers work until their 90s.

Tail Gunner has it right - autoimmune conditions are best met by changing the diet, getting rid of toxins, taking higher daily maintenance levels of supplements - that may get rid of conditions. But I might add - there are some conditions like vaccine induced reactions which can stay with a person for life, because the immune system creates anti-bodies to it's own body cells. Such a person may require really high doses of vitamin C and other nutrients just to deal with that. But our body's healing ability is impressive enough in my opinion.

[Giacomo Casanova]

@Zelcorpion: I think that a vitamin-C thread could be very interesting from your side.
About these 2-8 grams of your routine, how do you take them? Pills?

[stefpdt]

Tail gunner, thank you for the advice. I will order that book and get familiar with the autoimmune diet.

Zelcorpion, I appreciate your clarification on mega-dosing and maintenance.

From what I understand, it seems like one should mega-dose vitamin C to fight sickness and disease, and then take maintenance doses of 2 to 8 grams per day for MOST people.

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Tail Gunner has it right - autoimmune conditions are best met by changing the diet, getting rid of toxins, taking higher daily maintenance levels of supplements - that may get rid of conditions. But I might add - there are some conditions like vaccine induced reactions which can stay with a person for life, because the immune system creates anti-bodies to it's own body cells. Such a person may require really high doses of vitamin C and other nutrients just to deal with that. But our body's healing ability is impressive enough in my opinion.

To be perfectly honest, I've been researching autoimmunity like crazy this past month to help my mother, since something really strange has been going on with her.

She was one of the absolute healthiest women for her age group (she's a 54 year old fitness instructor). But then, a series of extremely stressful life events triggered an underlying autoimmune condition in her. She tested positive for antinuclear antibodies (ANA) - so her body is definitely fighting something at the moment. She's still waiting to run the rheumatology blood tests to find out specifically what's up.

Point being, I'm going to try the autoimmunity diet + high doses of vitamin C in the meantime, and see what happens.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(08-10-2017 05:33 AM)Giacomo Casanova Wrote:  

@Zelcorpion: I think that a vitamin-C thread could be very interesting from your side.
About these 2-8 grams of your routine, how do you take them? Pills?

You could do that.

Most high-potency multis already give you 500mg of vitamin C. I have pounds of pure vitamin C - l-ascorbic acid - at home. That is just some min-spoon that I take 1-2 times per day. I take more of it if I feel weaker, more tired, when I travel, in winter etc.

Most of my close family including my mother has started applying orthomolecular medicine and some have researched it themselves (my mom is a structural engineer by trade). They find sometimes clear improvements in mood, general health, better hair and nails, pain in joints disappearing - even noted it recently regarding my 84 year old grandma who started taking supplements 1.5 years ago. Even she is feeling and looking better than 2 years ago.

We have been lied about what nutrient levels we need as humans.... that is the simple truth.

[stefpdt]

Yeah I'm having a hard time trusting doctors who push commercialized Western medicine because it's rare that they actually want to get to the root of health issues.

I also read that people who grow up in developing countries rarely develop autoimmune disorders, because their immune systems are so well adapted to harsh, dirty environments.

So I basically feel like living in the Western world is a sham on almost all fronts at this point (at least when it comes to holistic health).

But yes, I'll definitely research orthomolecular doctors to see what kind of help we can get.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

< I don't blame doctors. They do what they have been taught or haven't been taught.

Most would love the ease of some treatments like high-dosage vitamin C, A and B injections to instantly treat an incoming patient who has an unknown conditions. High dosage vitamin C injections have been known to wake up people from comas and other high-dosage therapies reversed severe illnesses like Alzheimers or Mulitple Sclerosis (both with some dietary changes). MDs have even put patients off transplant lists as they managed to regenerate livers with high dosage vitamin C levels (15-30g/day for a couple weeks usually does it).

So most MDs would love working with simple stuff like nutrients and food before transcribing drugs or ordering transplants - or claiming it to be incurable and waiting for the death of a patient. Sometimes the patient is even a close family member of a doctor. It's actually really sad how humanity has been lied to about some important things.

[Biz]

Bumping this thread.

I've been searching around regarding getting vaccinations for a 9 month trip I'll be taking all over South East Asia sometime mid year.

I'm getting mixed opinions whether to get them or not -- personally I'd rather not put any of that shit in my body, I'd rather take natural things like I always do.

BUT... I've yet to travel in the region so I don't know what to expect and just from hearing that a few of the experienced guys in here have gotten sick makes me a little concerned -- by no means am I one of those health scaredy-cats, I totally believe there's a natural cure for anything and hardly even use tylenol anymore.

[Incubus]

I wanted to make a thread like this, so I'm very grateful it's already started

I'm not going to wade into the Vitamin C debate (other than some people swear 2000 mg a day cure toenail/finger nail fungus..so far not me....thank you Philippines for that fungus gift)

There are 4 strains of Dengue and as one poster pointed out your body can fight off one of them and become immunized but the second strain your body will let it kill you if possible (or coma).....and that will leave 2 other strains leftover!
A bank pakistani financial advisor told me he and his girlfriend were off to Belize for a vacation. I said you better watch out for dengue. He said no worries he got it when he was a kid. I said do you know there are 4 strains of it ...he didn't and he got worried when I informed him. He started googling it

So you fly to SEA catch one strain of dengue and then fly to South America to catch another (or Africa or India...or Central America)

I know there are seasoned world travellers on this forum that didn't work all there life just to go play russian roulette with there health.

I like the beach worms infesting the feet of some Dominican Republic Travelers

https://www.cnn.com/2018/01/30/health/wo...index.html

there are other worms that get into and actually live in your muscles and apparently cannot be killed, I dunno if the above worms are the same


Chikungunya is apparently caught from mud abode type dwellings in tiny squalid villages. True or not I dunno but I will avoid them

Always check the Government websites particularly when going to a tropical locale. The funny thing about us guys we go to a lot of places where life is cheap..literally. My life and health have real value to me, few if any travel agents mention the hazards all they want to do is sell flights. Airlines will advertize to fly you into any hell hole on earth to sell seats. Very few bad vacations hit the media unless it's a female tourist getting raped or murdered. Guys everything is your own fault. Not News

Here's the common list for just about everywhere tropical or sub tropical
Hep A and B......don't drink anything with ice....basically drink bottled or canned beverages or just drink booze......cook your own food done well. Get the shots if you have time.
Typhoid
Malaria
Zika
Dengue
Yellow Fever

all of the above are mostly mosquitoes borne diseases.

Totally avoidable if your going to S.A plan a trip to Uruguay, Argentina. Chile, Lima Peru (Lima and southward not north and east, Bogota Colombia (colder on mountain for mosquitoes)

If a person insists on a tropical run try to stay in the big cities (I think the pollution killed everything but the cockroaches in Manila) The beaches are where the mosquitoes hang out in the early morning and dusk...but you never know.

Always assume the locals have caught everything and don't assume you can sleep with the windows open at night just like a local. I alway look for the 100th floor of a high rise....then I'll leave the balcony window open (maybe)

I also don't want to spend my vacation time checking for bites or swelling from fire ants (any bug bite) spiders or snakes or looking out for jellyfish or any sea creature or river things/lurkers.

Let us not forget natural disasters (gov websites) I was planning a Mexico trip when the earthquakes hit.

I flew just beside a typhoon when going to philippines luckily it wasn't tracking to hit the country. I did learn from researching the philippines that anything south of Cebu rarely gets typhoons and Davo none. Earthquakes yes

Factoid High Rises are the safest places (depending on country building standards) during a earthquake the buildings just sway a bit during a earthquake. The reason is earthquakes go up and down not side to side (lateral is rare). low rise or small buildings can't take the frequency or harmonic (they go up and down faster) and collapse. I am not going to challenge the science.

Of course anybody can think there safe and still get food poisoning on a cruise ship but having some knowledge and awareness of what could be around (sexually transmitted diseases and murder rate included) could extend the years of happy travel. (I lean more to EE currently less planning more frolick)

[Tail Gunner]

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5) Liposomal Vitamin C Helps Combat Tropical Parasites

Visceral leishmaniasis (VL) is a severe, potentially fatal tropical disease caused by parasites. In infected mice, liposomes with vitamin C and another drug (antimonial) were effective at killing the parasites. The drug is needed to kill the parasite, but Vitamin C reduces its toxic effects.

https://www.selfhacked.com/blog/liposoma...Newsletter

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/25105501

[CaptainChardonnay]

(06-24-2015 02:38 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

Do you guys ever get vaccinated before going abroad? I remember the first time I went overseas, I had to take stuff for typhoid. You think it's probably just safer now to "eat healthy and drink lots of water?"

Always get the proper vaccinations before going. Some countries wont even allow you to enter without the proper vaccinations. Some of the vaccinations last for years so if you divide the cost by the number of years you are protected then it is very minimal.

I met another RVF member a few months ago and they wouldn't let him enter Colombia because he wasn't vaccinated.

As another poster said, don't play Russian roulette with your health.

I recommend buying PiActive bug spray and bringing it in your checked baggage with you. I sprayed it all over my body during a trip including before hiking in a tank and shorts and got zero bites. I think it has zero deet also.

[Tail Gunner]

(08-01-2018 02:28 PM)CaptainChardonnay Wrote:  

(06-24-2015 02:38 AM)Il Bersagliere Wrote:  

Do you guys ever get vaccinated before going abroad? I remember the first time I went overseas, I had to take stuff for typhoid. You think it's probably just safer now to "eat healthy and drink lots of water?"

Always get the proper vaccinations before going. Some countries wont even allow you to enter without the proper vaccinations. Some of the vaccinations last for years so if you divide the cost by the number of years you are protected then it is very minimal.

I met another RVF member a few months ago and they wouldn't let him enter Colombia because he wasn't vaccinated.

As another poster said, don't play Russian roulette with your health.

I recommend buying PiActive bug spray and bringing it in your checked baggage with you. I sprayed it all over my body during a trip including before hiking in a tank and shorts and got zero bites. I think it has zero deet also.

I never get vaccinations unless required by law and I cannot possibly avoid it. Vaccinations contain mercury, formaldehyde, and all kinds of other toxins. If you have a healthy immune system and exercise caution and common sense while traveling to cities, then the risk is low. If you travel outside of big cities then you have a decision to make. Personally, I would not expose myself to vast numbers of mosquitoes where they are known to carry serious diseases.

[CaptainChardonnay]

There was an outbreak where we were at which is why Colombia denied the RVF member entry along with a world wide shortage of the vaccine because the company that makes it accidentally contaminated half of their global supply.