[Veloce]

(05-24-2015 01:19 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

The only sort of man who will risk giving a horny woman a good pounding is the sort of man who'll also risk his freedom selling drugs and stealing cars.

When I first read this I was like, "Hey wait a minute, I fuck like a goddamn champ, I've had numerous women tell me how sore they were the next day. I'm no degenerate."

But then I remembered. I've sold my fair share of drugs and embezzled quite a lot of money. No stolen cars though.

[Aurini]

(05-24-2015 02:23 PM)Veloce Wrote:  

(05-24-2015 01:19 PM)Aurini Wrote:  

The only sort of man who will risk giving a horny woman a good pounding is the sort of man who'll also risk his freedom selling drugs and stealing cars.

When I first read this I was like, "Hey wait a minute, I fuck like a goddamn champ, I've had numerous women tell me how sore they were the next day. I'm no degenerate."

But then I remembered. I've sold my fair share of drugs and embezzled quite a lot of money. No stolen cars though.

XD

Much of Game involves developing the instincts for when to do this, and becoming generally unapologetic for your behaviour (so long as you're doing nothing wrong). There's overlap with the Dark Triad, but it's distinctly different; the Dark Triad individual can't tell right from wrong, but we can.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Relevant -

Remember the rape hysteria over Game of Thrones?

Turns out that this most evil character Ramsey Bolton has a fan-following:

http://weloveramsaybolton.tumblr.com/ - this is not the only tumblr site dedicated to this uber-villain.



Dark Triad is attractive to women when the right additional boxes are ticked.

The Simpsons character of course would not be the MGTOW Comic Book guy, but Snake:

[lskdfjldsf]

Roosh, all things post-schism considered, I would support a new website or forum platform.

RVF and ROK are great resources for newcomers and broad-brushed red pillers learning game and shooting the shit about feminism, but in their current state as community hubs, have little to offer traditionalists or politically-minded guys (those neomasculinity hopes to attract). With such a wide net being cast demographically, it may make sense over the long-term to build a new platform rather than re-brand the mission statement of an existing community.

At the end of the day, RVF is a game forum and ROK is a general red pill website. Neomasculinity can only differentiate itself from other spheres through exclusivity.

[Teedub]

(05-24-2015 12:35 PM)Wutang Wrote:  

A guy with low value trying to act "dark triad" will just come off as the Comic Book Guy from Simpsons. Sure he doesn't give a fuck about your opinion and will always try to exert himself over you - but he's also a fat slob with a pony tail dressed like his mom dressed him when he was in 4th grade.

[Roosh]

This podcast by Aurini is very good:

[Mr West]

An interesting observation with regards to Neomasculinity: while MGTOW answered a lot of the questions with regards to self developments independent of women, and game also answered a lot of questions with regards to self development with regards to women in our lives. There was never a bridge in either of these philosophies to go beyond the "self".

I will always aim to absorb the good while discarding the bad (which is why I align myself with MGTOW as I do think they have a point with regards to things like male birth control etc) but you simply cannot have a leaderless movement that is only affecting the "system" on a personal level and with no clear destination..

If I was a very humble man I would be fine with a simple MGTOW/"Game" enthusiast life, I wouldn't have to get hurt but I also wouldn't have to compete in anything (or in the case of game, I would never have to think beyond my next notch, or gym workout) and I would assure you it would be a pretty mediocre life.

My Dad said it best: "Whatever you invest yourself into. Go all the way. Aim to take the hobby/profession/whatever to its fullest degree".

And I feel neither "Game" or MGTOW can currently answer a lot of the questions that come after you execute. So you have gotten results and you are content with yourself... you might be an improved maen and you are thankful to the game/mgtow philosophy and how it has improved one aspect of your life. What comes next? Running "dread game" on your wife? (As Roosh pointed out).

I am not sure what Roosh intents are with Neomasculinity. But I feel that for the ambitious man, "game" or "mgtow" are never going to be final destinations. The ambitious red pill/masculine man wants exert his will and beliefs beyond himself. Is the nature of masculinity and why every form of competition comes down to power of wills.

Men might be at a disadvantage against feminism because men, unlike women, do not simply come together based on their gender. But there are very little challenges men as a gender shy from. So I am rooting for Roosh to win against nature itself and establish a mainstream masculine ideology that will breed the will of masculine men onto the world.

[Ziltoid]

(05-24-2015 07:18 PM)Mr West Wrote:  

Men might be at a disadvantage against feminism because men, unlike women, do not simply come together based on their gender.

While hive mindy shit is definitely more of a female thing, look at the treatment of Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, fit mom, Christina Hoff Sommers, Camille Paglia... The list goes on.

So is it that women are more likely to stick up for eachother based on their gender, or simply that they're more likely to share the same snarky progressive mindset?
Probably both, but I'm leaning towards the latter.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-24-2015 07:18 PM)Mr West Wrote:  

I will always aim to absorb the good while discarding the bad (which is why I align myself with MGTOW as I do think they have a point with regards to things like male birth control etc) but you simply cannot have a leaderless movement that is only affecting the "system" on a personal level and with no clear destination..

If I was a very humble man I would be fine with a simple MGTOW/"Game" enthusiast life, I wouldn't have to get hurt but I also wouldn't have to compete in anything (or in the case of game, I would never have to think beyond my next notch, or gym workout) and I would assure you it would be a pretty mediocre life.
...

And I feel neither "Game" or MGTOW can currently answer a lot of the questions that come after you execute. So you have gotten results and you are content with yourself... you might be an improved maen and you are thankful to the game/mgtow philosophy and how it has improved one aspect of your life. What comes next? Running "dread game" on your wife? (As Roosh pointed out).

First of all - this need for a leader is something that all top-down organizations employ. You cannot negotiate salary yourself dear sir, you need to join our union (if there is one at all). We don't need to be headless chicken or women who absolutely require a Paul Elam to tell us what we have to think.

And the end of your post sounds like a lot of mental masturbation. What if you actually worked out, improved your Game, what then? First - do it, become a better man, bang some hot chicks, have a better LTR and then talk more instead of just spouting virtual realities and just letting it go as a MGTOW. That is exactly what some of us have been criticizing about the MGTOW movement - it manifests itself by doing nothing, you can just sit there and stay clear of women while guys around Neomasculinity are working out, learning Game and reaching new horizons.

Difference between MGTOW and Neomasculinity in 2 gifs - guess which ones is which:





But since MGTOW guys said that both of them are MGTOWs so long as the one from Crank does not marry the girl - well, then I cannot help you guys. Leo Di Caprio is MGTOW and the fat one with the rubber vagina is MGTOW.

[MMX2010]

(05-24-2015 06:32 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

This podcast by Aurini is very good

I just finished it, and can vouch for its excellence. For those of you who may not want to devote the hour, it is well worth it.

[Enigma]

These guys are idiots.

Anyone with even an inkling of knowledge about making money online could tell you that Roosh barely makes any effort to monetize his sites.

Also, I've always thought places like TRP and game subreddits were good for helping men find the right information, but they're like high school compared to the university that is RVF. This community is clearly better, in both content and platform.

Reddit can be a great source of information, but it's specifically designed to bring popular opinions to the top and "hide" unpopular opinions. Hardly conducive to the types of things we talk about here, especially when you consider who controls the overall dialogue on Reddit.

I say that to say this:

1. Why would someone willfully stay on TRP when there is better information, better posters, and a more balanced platform available here? It's like staying 7 years in high school instead of just graduating and going to college. And like the latter, there is clearly some kind of mental or emotional deficiency at play.

2. Why would Rollo post there instead of here? It's because he knows the members there are more easily influenced and likely to buy his products. He knows Roosh won't tolerate any overt sales techniques here. Yet he criticizes Roosh's efforts as a "cash grab".

Let's look at the two.

- One is running the strongest community of its kind and collaborating with like-minded men to spread a message
- The other is consciously shirking like-minded men and opting for a lower quality community in an effort to sell more books

Who is the sell out here?

Rollo doesn't want to invoke change, he wants to be e-famous. That's why he's content to be the big fish in the small pond. He doesn't want to challenge himself or the status quo, he just wants to talk a bunch and have people listen.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(05-25-2015 04:42 AM)Enigma Wrote:  

2. Why would Rollo post there instead of here? It's because he knows the members there are more easily influenced and likely to buy his products. He knows Roosh won't tolerate any overt sales techniques here. Yet he criticizes Roosh's efforts as a "cash grab".

C'mon - Rollo does not monetize his blog either. And besides - even if you make money off it like Mike CF, Good Looking Loser or Christian McQueen, it does not invalidate the message.

Rollo has been putting out invaluable information for all men on his blog. Roosh has done so too in his own way.

But we have to realize that individuals are not infallible. There is no reason to evangelize Rollo or Roosh. They are both human and both will be doing things that you should disagree with occasionally just as you disagree with your very best friends sometimes.

All this useless beef is just making me hungry:

[Enigma]

(05-25-2015 05:05 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

C'mon - Rollo does not monetize his blog either.

I didn't say that. I said he posts on TRP instead of here because he's able to promote his material there.

I wasn't even the first person to point that out in this thread:

(05-22-2015 03:18 PM)Tuthmosis Wrote:  

I don't have any personal beef with Rollo Tomasi (I barely know the guy), but I've never seen someone who puts a link to one of his posts or products in more of his comments on ROK, or tweets that he makes to other guys--with the loosest and remotest relevance to the subject at hand. Self-promotion is one thing, but cannibalism like this, after years of using someone's platform for free advertising, is really distasteful.

I also never said he (or Roosh, Mike, etc.) shouldn't make money off their work.

He's the one that said that. I'm simply pointing out the hypocrisy.

Zelcorpion Wrote:

And besides - even if you make money off it like Mike CF, Good Looking Loser or Christian McQueen, it does not invalidate the message.

And for the record, Roosh doesn't just have a blog. He has 4 sites and a YT channel, 3 of which get massive amounts of traffic.

Like I said, anyone who knows anything about making money online could tell you exactly how much money Roosh leaves on the table. We're talking seven figures here.

To accuse him of making a cash grab is not only bitter, it makes it obvious the people saying it have absolutely no idea what they're talking about.

[badscientist]

(05-25-2015 05:05 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Rollo has been putting out invaluable information for all men on his blog. Roosh has done so too in his own way.

Have you not seen the video where Roosh talks about Rollo? The body language and tone expresses a lot about how he feels towards him.

I'm a deep follower of Rollo and will forever be thankful to him, he's the reason why my life is in such a better place right now. But I know that Roosh is the way forward, so I'm aligning myself with his principals.

These things matter because only docile betas are afraid of confrontation and take the path of least resistance. We can't all just be friends. Battle lines have been drawn. This is the Pareto principle taking effect within the Manosphere itself.

[zombiejimmorrison]

(05-24-2015 02:32 AM)Aurini Wrote:  

No Ma'am - the site that coined the term MGTOW in the first place - has scrubbed all reference to it in light of the nonsense that migtown has become. XD

Great site, by the way; the authors aren't around much anymore, since they actually went their own way (presumably on motorcycles), but they're good enough to still maintain it.

H/T Matt Forney

What a strange website, its like the beginnings of the manosphere. Buried deep into the old internet. Excellent information presented on a bad and confusing website. I finally understand what they mean by MGTOW 1.0, that didn't last for long.

Roosh and return of kings, look amazing in comparison. They also wouldn't scare newbies off. Less is more and synthesizing the red pill into an adjective like Neomasculinity, with a fair amount of information is so much more appealing.

[badscientist]

Shit just got real



This drama has serious intellectual value.

[Libertas]

It somewhat goes back to what I said above. Guys talking about Dark Triad stuff and the like are usually in my mind keyboard jockeys that don't talk to women. Evolutionary psychology can give you a foundation of the principles of game for instance (ie: why it works), but it can't develop your game for you or necessarily help to improve your life as a man. That requires effort and belief, not just knowledge. It's the same for the wider society too.

Evolutionary theory can explain a lot of different things, but again, so what? By nature it can't tell us what we should value or accept as a civilization, at best it can only explain what is. What Roosh is fundamentally talking about here is what society ought to value - what we ought to be.

I think this is what Roosh means when he says that his Neomasculinity places less importance on the theory of evolution, but I'll wait and see what he has to say about the matter.

[badscientist]

(05-25-2015 12:41 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

It somewhat goes back to what I said above. Guys talking about Dark Triad stuff and the like are usually in my mind keyboard jockeys that don't talk to women. Evolutionary psychology can give you a foundation of the principles of game for instance (ie: why it works), but it can't develop your game for you or necessarily help to improve your life as a man. That requires effort and belief, not just knowledge. It's the same for the wider society too.

Well in this specific instance I think Roissy (heartiste) has enough alpha cred to talk with the authority beyond a keyboard jockey. But I too am interested to see how this conversation develops, if it does.

Also: you should follow me too, I'm trying to build my SMV in the manosphere.

[Il Bersagliere]

Didn't expect Rollo to act like that. The dude has been a godsend. He's pretty much the reason why I have unplugged. He a several other community writers like Roissy and Roosh himself. Having said that, I have started limiting my time in TRP subreddit and moving on to game principles/lifting/etc.

Reddit is great, but a lot of the comments there are skewed towards the folks who are still in seething anger.

[Marmite]

You want to increase your SMV to other men!? I assume you mean your standing...

[Fortis]

It's sort of funny, as my game gets better, I think of game concepts less. Like, I remember when this all used to e super intellectual for me, but now I just do it. Instinct is the ultimate form of intelligence in my book.

Don't get me wrong, I always recommend studying the game, but guys who always talk about the game like it's chess are always suspicious to me. Most of the guys I've met on this forum who are good just act. They're not going, "now i'm gunna DHV luzluzluzluzluzlulz."

[badscientist]

(05-25-2015 01:48 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Don't get me wrong, I always recommend studying the game, but guys who always talk about the game like it's chess are always suspicious to me. Most of the guys I've met on this forum who are good just act. They're not going, "now i'm gunna DHV luzluzluzluzluzlulz."

Nicely summed up by that guy who edits ROK:

[philosophical_recovery]

(05-25-2015 02:13 PM)badscientist Wrote:  

(05-25-2015 01:48 PM)Fortis Wrote:  

Don't get me wrong, I always recommend studying the game, but guys who always talk about the game like it's chess are always suspicious to me. Most of the guys I've met on this forum who are good just act. They're not going, "now i'm gunna DHV luzluzluzluzluzlulz."

Nicely summed up by that guy who edits ROK:

[brick tamland]

The 'Schism' video has surely drawn some attention (nearly 9 000 views and over 400 comments in about 2 days).

[MMX2010]

(05-25-2015 12:41 PM)Libertas Wrote:  

It somewhat goes back to what I said above. Guys talking about Dark Triad stuff and the like are usually in my mind keyboard jockeys that don't talk to women. Evolutionary psychology can give you a foundation of the principles of game for instance (ie: why it works), but it can't develop your game for you or necessarily help to improve your life as a man. That requires effort and belief, not just knowledge. It's the same for the wider society too.

Evolutionary theory can explain a lot of different things, but again, so what? By nature it can't tell us what we should value or accept as a civilization, at best it can only explain what is. What Roosh is fundamentally talking about here is what society ought to value - what we ought to be.

I think this is what Roosh means when he says that his Neomasculinity places less importance on the theory of evolution, but I'll wait and see what he has to say about the matter.

Agree with you 100%. I think that Rollo's work tells you why Game works, but Roosh's work tells you what to do. Before I read Roosh, I only read Rollo. And reading Rollo made me smart, but extremely sad and unmotivated. Only Roosh's work made me happy and motivated.

brick tamland Wrote:

The 'Schism' video has surely drawn some attention (nearly 9 000 views and over 400 comments in about 2 days).

The attention itself is amazing, but more amazing is the diversity of voices that have weighed in. MGTOWs, MRAs, TRP-subreddit, VoxDay, and others.