[puckerman]

I have been looking for a new place to live the last few weeks. Through mutual friends, I learned about a sublease opportunity. The young lady who currently has the lease is moving out to buy a house with her fiance.

I asked her if I come by her place just to take a look. On two separate occasions, she has flaked on meeting me. The second time, it was just because she was swimming and didn't want to leave.

Maybe it was obvious to some of you already, but I realized that women shit-test men all the time. In this particular case, I have shown little or no interest in sex or romance. I'm just looking for a place to live. But because she has something that I might want, she has gone into shit-test mode anyway.

Or maybe it's because women get so used to shit-testing men that they can't stop doing it. It becomes almost automatic.

[dog24]

(04-25-2015 03:34 AM)puckerman Wrote:  

Or maybe it's because women get so used to shit-testing men that they can't stop doing it. It becomes almost automatic.

This is not true, i remember reading a twitter by an 18 year old sometime ago that said " If i speak to you, is because i care about you", (care as in i want to fuck you) i dont she realized that she was telling the whole world what a selfish cunt she was, but that sums up pretty well the overall attitude women have towards men these days.

Its so bad that if a woman is polite to you, doesn't hand out condescending remarks every two sentences and doesnt avoid eye contact every three seconds then its pretty likely that she thinks of you as a potential guy to fuck.

There is no relating from one person to another with these whores.

I personally cant help but to be offended by this obviously and find it ironic that women are so quick to say "all men ever think about is sex" when theyre the ones treating as a second class citizen to every non hot/rich/famous guy.

Dont let these women disrespect you, this is not a shit-test to pass and no she probably wont be attracted to you even if you let it go or call them out on it.

[robreke]

In general, women are the more petty, less reliable sex. This is primarily true for young women but not entirely.

The exception to this if they want to fuck you or are in love with you. Then, they are most likely to keep their word.

[Kingsley Davis]

Two flakes equal two fucks given to you as a human being. Move the fuck on already.

[rpg]

Most women stir shit with anybody and everybody all the time. Wait till you see a woman shit test another woman. The fur flies! I have the honor of working in a female majority environment. The only way to keep the upper hand is to not give a fuck if they live or die! Then, maybe then, you will get a shred of respect. Watching women get ever fatter and uglier as the months go by is the best victory a man could see. It is like watching frosty the snow man melt in spring! They decry the dick they used to get and now they are gonna be the bottoms for 300lb truck drivers that dont shower.

[xxMarco]

I have noticed this as well with certain transactional women.
It seems that the only objective they have when interacting with a male is purely transactional.

They don't see you as a person, just as someone who can provide something of value that they need.
If you do not provide that value you are practically invisible.

I have seen this characteristic in guys as well. Usually guys that have a lot of cash and feel like they are above everyone else.
Maybe someone can describe this characteristic better, I'm curious as to why this happens.

[puckerman]

I have just went looking elsewhere. The place was probably more than I wanted to pay.

Still, it's interesting because she also needs to find someone to sublet her place. I suspect some of my past personal contact with her created the disrespect that I've been getting, not to mention some things mutual friends might have said.

Men will almost choose a transaction if it's a win-win. Women will actually reject win-win transactions and accept a lose-lose even if there is no logical reason for doing so.

[firstofthemonth]

I think men shit test too especially any man who is demonstrating alpha or leadership qualities.

[rpg]

(04-25-2015 04:13 PM)firstofthemonth Wrote:  

I think men shit test too especially any man who is demonstrating alpha or leadership qualities.

The way a woman shit tests and the way a man pushes back another man is significantly different. Example, Noah spends 40 years building an ark to save his family and two of every animal. Noah's wife bitches she hates the color and cant stand the smell of elephants. Noah's sons bitched for forty years why their dad cant find some else to cut wood while they take turns sanding.

[puckerman]

(04-25-2015 04:13 PM)firstofthemonth Wrote:  

I think men shit test too especially any man who is demonstrating alpha or leadership qualities.

I disagree. A man who has self-esteem doesn't feel the need to shit-test anybody.

[Ingocnito]

(04-25-2015 02:18 PM)xxMarco Wrote:  

I have noticed this as well with certain transactional women.
It seems that the only objective they have when interacting with a male is purely transactional.

They don't see you as a person, just as someone who can provide something of value that they need.
If you do not provide that value you are practically invisible.

I have seen this characteristic in guys as well. Usually guys that have a lot of cash and feel like they are above everyone else.
Maybe someone can describe this characteristic better, I'm curious as to why this happens.

I'd say this is spot on, along with the over reaching solipsism, narcissism, and selfishness of the modern cunt. How many Tinder profiles for instance say this:
"I'm awesome, as if it weren't already obvious." Or my favorite "I'm the most awesome person I know."

Most women are purely transactional, even with romance, love, and sex. The ones that aren't are just as big, if not a bigger, pains in the ass because they've elevated the price of ANYTHING of value they have beyond market value, obviously pussy first and foremost.

I've tried meeting bitches selling shit on Craig's List, etc. to check out their merchandise, and every fucking time it's jump through 20 hoops, drive all the way to them... not meet half way, the merch is never as good as presented, priced too high. The only way to beat any woman at anything they have to offer whatsoever is abundance.

Line up 3 dates for one night, take your best pick. I quit associating women with morals and value a long time ago. It's all that keeps me sane dealing with them.

[Ingocnito]

One of the best things I've heard a player state on RVF is; "How I keep my sanity is I don't consider women actual human beings. Seriously, I really don't."

[robreke]

^sounds like a viable coping mechanism. Dark triad to be sure, but viable...

[Vincent Chase]

Modern women's treatment to all guys is exactly what it appears, they don't give a fuck about them at all and view them as utterly disposable outside of what value can be provided to them. They will drop them just like that as soon as something better appears, they are as fickle as flies.

You see women with a few fuck buddies and 10 or so orbiters, each providing their own "value" to her. It is utterly selfish and fucking despicable but that's modern reality for you. Make sure you are not one of the orbiters and have a frame from the beginning to lay down the law. Women of the past used to make great housewives and taking care of husband and kids often a time even decent juggling a job, now they are typically bratty, entitled, selfish creatures. The beta men have caused this shit and it won't improve until they wake up one day to modern reality.

[Dr. Howard]

Here are a few assumptions that the OP has made about this sublease that I disagree with and might explain this woman's behaviour.

1. That this chick NEEDS to sublet this place. She is moving in with her fiance, and can currently afford the rent on her own. So she doesn't NEED to sublet it, she can afford it, it would just be nice to not have that bill when she moves in with her fiance. So her time pressure is actually pretty low.

2. She may not even WANT to sublet the apartment quickly. Lets assume the fiance is beta...he is moving her into his place, footing the bill and leaving her income as 'spending money' vs having her put it into the household. This of course dries the pussy up and she may be unsure of moving in with him or at least want to hold onto her 'single girl' apartment for as long as she can to fuck other guys before leaving. She might just be advertising the sublease to appease her fiance for now.

@Ingocnito is right with transactional values as well. I've found that women either way overvalue or undervalue things. For the few female clients and business prospects I have they either want me to be their slave, constantly on call for a lowball amount of money or think that my service is the greatest in the world and will pay almost any price for it. It boggles my mind. However, with basic prices like clothes and food they are pretty shrewd...as there is no salesperson/individual attached to it to influence their judgement.

[RoastBeefCurtains4Me]

Shit tests are universal. Children do it to their parents, to test their boundaries. Employees do to their bosses, to see what they can get away with, and bosses do it to employees, so see what kind of outrageous work demands they can get away with.

I was once doing an acceptance test for a large system with a customer. I'd dealt with this man for several years, and during acceptance testing, he always became very difficult. I never understood it when I was blue pill. After I took the red pill, I was back to complete acceptance for another system, and as soon as we began the acceptance testing procedure, he let loose with a string of criticisms and complains as fast as he could make them up, each more outrageous than the last.

Since I had taken the red pill, and knew a shit test when I saw it, I did a little agree and amplify, then kidded him in front of multiple other people about how he was just pulling our legs and trying to mess with us. He immediately chilled out, and became cooperative and compliant. I was able to feel confident and be at ease, because I saw how to handle him. Because of this, I was able to run the acceptance testing without a hitch, and get everything signed off with ease. This customer had previously ran our company around in circles, (not just me), but this time, everything was wrapped up quickly and to our advantage.

To me, learning to recognize shit tests and deal with them was by far the biggest benefit I received in life from taking the red pill. There are obviously many other benefits too, but recognizing and handling shit tests is easy, powerful, and constantly useful.

[General Stalin]

Not everything is a "shit test."

Some people are just lazy and/or ignorant and/or irresponsible.

[lurker]

This is not a shit test. Nor is this a girl unfairly viewing your interaction as transactional instead of seeing your human value. This is, literally, a transaction. You are trying to enter into a contract with her to lease real property. She is not calculating your worth as a man. You are both utterly disposable to each other outside the exchange you seek to make. She is merely flaking on your transaction because ensuring her place gets sublet was less important to her than whatever the hell else she wanted to do that day.

She sounds like an irresponsible pain in the ass. Move on.