[italktostrangers]

Proving once again what most of us here already know, this study that was on the front page of Reddit today and shows the wage gap is closer to 4% (when you actually compare apples-to-apples jobs) than the 20% statistic (which takes a broader statistical perspective on "jobs") most feminists like to spout.

Nice to see more studies like this making their way mainstream to combat the feminist "wage gap" propaganda.

Key factors:

- Women pursue lower paying jobs
- Women take maternity leave and often don't return (or if they do, it's is after some time, which = less experience/growth in the position)

Link - http://www.payscale.com/gender-lifetime-...gs-gap?r=1

[CH-Toronto]

[Kane12:00]

I'm saving that for next time someone talks about the 23% wage gap!

[IvanDrago]

(04-23-2015 10:29 AM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  

Quote:

Wanna know how I know women aren't being paid 23% less than men for the same amount of work? Because if they were, women would make up the overwhelming majority of the workforce. If companies could simply save 23% on salaries just by hiring women, WHY WOULDN'T THEY?

THANK YOU MADDOX!!!!!!

[rebelofbabyloin]

Just look at any company's total gross compensation for employees, and you will see who is getting paid more.

[godfather dust]

So women earn 4% less then men.

If there were a way to calculate how much less valuable they are this would disappear entirely. Factor in being less capable, sneaking in smartphone use, hurting morale (and costing valuable employees) through politicking, gossip, and general cuntiness, etc.

The actual wage gap (with men earning far less) would reveal that requiring companies to employ women is a form of welfare.

[RedPillUK]

That was awesome, I grew up reading Maddox's site. I wonder what he thinks of the red pill

[italktostrangers]

(04-23-2015 10:29 AM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  

Great video! Bookmarked for future use

[Excelsior]

[Mentavious]

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/the-gender-p...lete-myth/

I'm on my phone so maybe someone else can quote the article.


Comment from the OP's article

Creating life is something our bodies do for us. It's not a talent.

Your body was made for producing offspring, just like ours were made for working. Nobody says that you are intellectual inferior. Physically, yes. And men think differently than women, which accounts for work habits, business decisions, etc. You are not intellectually inferior, but intellectually distinct.

[Suits]

(04-23-2015 04:07 PM)RedPillUK Wrote:  

That was awesome, I grew up reading Maddox's site. I wonder what he thinks of the red pill

Red-pill was red-pill before red-pill was red-pill. If you read his material, I don't think you'll find any evidence of white-knighting or supplication to females.

While he's never specifically focused on any gender politics, he's always celebrated unrestrained masculinity.

He hasn't done this because he's actually some idiot who thinks that all women suck.

He's done it as an intentional comical reaction to the extreme female preference in society and the "rules" that say that you can't say anything negative about women.

He's made enough money selling funny t-shirts and stickers that you can say whatever he wants.

Maddox managed to liberate himself from having a boss before 4 Hour Work Week was even at the draft stage.

He's an inspiration, but not someone to model yourself after.

Not everyone can be Maddox. The point is to find a niche that you are good at and exploit it for your benefit.

[RedPillUK]

I listened to his podcast yesterday where he goes into more detail about his research on the gender gap, and it seems he's close to knowing the more of the differences between men and women are, but isn't all the way there. He calls himself an egalatarian and says any reasonable person is. He also laughs but criticises his co host for his sexist bullshit. Those aren't the only examples I've heard.

he says he found out about the real gender pay gap, when he was trying to research the pay gap to make fun of women for earning less than men, because he believed in it.

although obviously he celebrates masculinity and pokes fun at women occasionally, and is pre red pill. I'm just thinking he hasn't realised everything about the differences in gender, and internalised white knighting. I'd like to force feed him the red pill and see what he writes about then. Maybe he'll realise its not too late to start going to the gym haha

[Akula]

We all know that there is no gender pay gap - it's a feminist media lie to get men to lie down and "take their medecine" and to help push women up in the workforce. The stats always proved the differences were negligible when the data was evened out for job positions, part-time versus full-time, etc.

What's worse is that from what I've seen women actually get paid more than men on average in the below 35 year old cohort. Makes sense when you see that we're approaching a 60% female ratio in colleges in the US.

[MrLemon]

It doessn't matter how much you "make". It matters how much you "keep".

Once you take into account state-mandated money transfers from men to women, for example in the case of alimony or child support, men actually "keep" less than half what women do.

Women spend 3X what men do. Single women have far, far greater assets than men. Women by every meaningful measure, are the rich gender and have been for decades.

The whole "how much do you earn" meme continues to be the biggest lie of the big lies. Even red-pill men fall for it.

[Ryre]

(04-23-2015 04:06 PM)godfather dust Wrote:  

So women earn 4% less then men.

If there were a way to calculate how much less valuable they are this would disappear entirely. Factor in being less capable, sneaking in smartphone use, hurting morale (and costing valuable employees) through politicking, gossip, and general cuntiness, etc.

The actual wage gap (with men earning far less) would reveal that requiring companies to employ women is a form of welfare.

It's not even clear that this infographic takes into account differences in actual hours worked. You may have two people with "similar qualifications doing the same job," but one may work more hours than the other--and studies have shown men typically put in more hours on the job than women do. This chart doesn't state that it controls for that; it may, but my guess is if it doesn't explicitly say that a factor is controlled for, it isn't.

[El Chinito loco]

What these feminists haven't anticipated is that trying to extort companies for wage increases could backfire. If they keep forcing the issue and making it law what will happen is that companies will just switch to female h1b visa employees where they can hold _all_ the cards.

This has been going on forever in silicon valley with its predominate male workforce. We're getting to that point where no position is irreplaceable. There sure as shit isn't anything most women do in the workforce that isn't easily substituted. For every 1 whining fat American cow you can find 10+ reasonable foreign workers to replace her.

[Daddy]

I once spoke to a hardcore feminist writer on this subject.

She was explaining to me that it wasn't fair that a secretary made less than a security guard, that both jobs were about as hard. She had a point, in the sense that the security guard jobs in her company didn't seem demanding at all.

But what stroke me with this common feminist argument is how entitled this logic is. Basically, feminists want the government to regulate salaries based on fairness rather than rely on demand and market pressure.

So a history major in ancient aboriginal culture should be paid a decent salary just because it would be fair, even though there is very little use or demand for that kind of work in our society.

[TheWastelander]

(04-24-2015 12:18 PM)Daddy Wrote:  

I once spoke to a hardcore feminist writer on this subject.

She was explaining to me that it wasn't fair that a secretary made less than a security guard, that both jobs were about as hard. She had a point, in the sense that the security guard jobs in her company didn't seem demanding at all.

But what stroke me with this common feminist argument is how entitled this logic is. Basically, feminists want the government to regulate salaries based on fairness rather than rely on demand and market pressure.

So a history major in ancient aboriginal culture should be paid a decent salary just because it would be fair, even though there is very little use or demand for that kind of work in our society.

What do you expect? Feminism, communism, and socialism go hand-in-hand. They're the religions of envious losers and the delusional who want to bring down better people and steal some of their shit, no matter what the consequences are. A lot of these delusional useful idiots, especially in academia, also think they'll have their turn at the whip instead of getting outfoxed by the more coldblooded in their midst. Happens every time.

[Suits]

(04-24-2015 12:18 PM)Daddy Wrote:  

I once spoke to a hardcore feminist writer on this subject.

She was explaining to me that it wasn't fair that a secretary made less than a security guard, that both jobs were about as hard. She had a point, in the sense that the security guard jobs in her company didn't seem demanding at all.

But what stroke me with this common feminist argument is how entitled this logic is. Basically, feminists want the government to regulate salaries based on fairness rather than rely on demand and market pressure.

So a history major in ancient aboriginal culture should be paid a decent salary just because it would be fair, even though there is very little use or demand for that kind of work in our society.

A lot of people would do themselves a good service by realizing that jobs do not pay based on how hard, difficult or demanding the work is.

Jobs pay based on the relationship between the number of positions available and the supply of workers who meet a minimum quality standard set by the employers.

If someone who can do the job acceptably is desperate enough to work for less money than a job currently pays, the salary for that position will gradually fall.

If employers struggle to retain employees with high enough quality to reach their organizational goals, the salary for those positions will gradual rise until the organizational goals are met.

Wages and salaries are unaffected by how "hard" a job is.

If you don't like your income as a secretary...become a security guard.

Good news....both pay little because they require a very low skillset.

[VolandoVengoVolandoVoy]

Here's my main problem with the whole wage gap theory - if it really were possible to pay a woman 30% less than a man for the exact same work, I promise you plenty of companies would be 99% female. Basically any private sector enterprise would have to hire mostly women to compete against other companies doing the same.

[Akula]

(04-24-2015 08:23 PM)VolandoVengoVolandoVoy Wrote:  

Here's my main problem with the whole wage gap theory - if it really were possible to pay a woman 30% less than a man for the exact same work, I promise you plenty of companies would be 99% female. Basically any private sector enterprise would have to hire mostly women to compete against other companies doing the same.

Good point. The powers that be pushed wages for both men and women down to the lowest common denominator, as low as they could be, then want abroad to source even cheaper labor.

Simple logic alone suggests that all these corporations and governmental agencies would never let one subset of average workers get paid more than the other, whether it's men or women, gays or whatever. No way that would ever happen, except in rare instances I'd guess, especially in America where capitalism is pretty rapacious in terms of wages and its all about profits and quarterly earnings. Just look at your average middle class person who's wages are under pressure from below (by low-skilled immigrants, illegal or legal) and above (H1Bs and other government programs). On the small business side of things the minute that all these construction and other firms figured out they could use cheap illegal labor the floodgates opened up and they priced the average Joe out of the business, whether it was some redneck carpenter or a black poultry farm/processor worker.

All these things were enabled by big business and government to reduce cost of production and be more competitive - so why the f*ck would these businesses pay men more on the whole and go to all these lengths to bring in cheaper labor? Makes no business sense and of course the pay gap is a total myth. But the media lie persists.

Just another untruth you've been led to believe by our glorious "democracies!"

[RIslander]

OP,

How dare you put up facts and statistics supporting such a misogynistic idea without a safe space available. Someone's deeply held views could potentially be assaulted!

[CH-Toronto]

Now HERE's an article to get people (feminists) riled up.

Saying there is no gender wage gap ... but there should be

http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/06/...should-be/

His other article is equally good http://www.breitbart.com/london/2015/05/...-tomorrow/

They definitely read like something out of ROK.