[8ball]

(04-16-2015 12:57 PM)Clint Barton Wrote:  

I loved LA when I lived there. I miss the beaches, the great weather, the tacos and mexican hot dogs and the relaxed vibe. I was raised in SoCal and went to school out there. Ive still got most of my family and college buddies there. But NYC is where its at for the girls, excitement, and a great lifestyle as a single man.
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I currently live in LA and feel the same the way. I am working to create a lifestyle where I can spend half the time in LA and the other half in NYC.

[Saruman]

(04-16-2015 12:44 PM)8ball Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:44 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 05:50 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

^^ I want to stay in MTL for two weeks to check it out. I do need a summer alternative to Europe, which I don't much for.

MTL is great not only for night game, but also for day game. You will kill it there.

[ NYC > Montreal ] in virtually all categories.

I have personally found NYC has both higher quantity and quality girls than Montreal. Not to mention, any language barrier is eliminated.

The only advantage to Montreal is that its cheap.

On the NYC MTL I don't want to argue a lot because I rate Manhattan...number 2 in North America for game in the summer.

I think it's important to distinguish Manhattan from the other boroughs for game as it's important to distinguish South Beach from mainland, it's just not the same things.

You say NYC beats Montreal on all categories, let's have a small breakdown for the summer months (June to August);

Climate: Pretty much the same, but 3 degrees more for NYC with a little bit more rain.

Logistics: Slight advantage for Manhatten, with 66 000 per square mile you can't go wrong, but MTL has 33 000 per square mile in the central districts, which is still very high.

This being said most girls in MTL live very close to where the bar or day game venue is.

In Manhattan you are sometimes facing a 30 min.+ cab ride to get to the place where the sex could occur if it's another borough.

Of course if you live in Manhattan it's great, yes MTL is cheaper, but who has a 120 K+ income to live in Manhattan not anyone, so this is a valid point.

Quality of girls: Slight advantage for MTL

Let's be frank NYC has hot girls everwhere, but there is a lot of typical white American girls, albeit there are way slimmer than elsewhere.

The variety people talk about NYC where is it? Black and some asians where is the other variety I'm sorry I don't see it when I go there.

In MTL you have big contigents of first generation immigrants and second generation from Romania, Moldavia, Russia,

I know there are russian girls in NYC, but I never see them.

Also a lot of girls in MTL from Venezuela, Argentinia, Colombia, Brazalian, I know there are some in NYC also, but I tend to see them less.

More european girls per capital in MTL as well.

Now when you add french canadians girls come on they are AAA grade.

People came here for seduction before game even was documented.

The genetic has stayed pure here Quebec girls will always beat American girls for beauty, this is a huge plus for MTL.

DTF factor of girls: TIE, I found of girls are DTF in both cities.

Langage: Advantage NYC, my first language is french obviously I have a home field advantage for the girls here.

THE SUMMER IN MONTREAL: Here is where it becomes interesting. Most Nordic societies have cold winters and mild summers. If you go to Scandinavia the summer lasts two months top and that summer is often disrupted by temps in the low 60's and rain and wind. Their actual summer is called midsummer and does not last more than a couple weeks. Then if it gets really hot they don't have AC and you can't sleep at night.

MTL on the other part as a real summer typical of the East coast of the US. As it is so snowy and bitterly cold in the winter (way more than scandinavia) people literally hibernate and wake up in the summer with a lot of energie and the famous joie de vivre. In this context, the effervesence of summer here, well documented in the mainstream tourist industry, trickles down to the DTF factor of girls in the summer.

Also, the summer is hot and long enough to have about 100 days of tropical weather feeling when the nights don't stop.

Sure there are big parties in Manhatten in the summer, once you paid 120$ USD to the doorman to get in an another 120$ USD to go to another venue and the first one sucked, because that's what I do maybe it's not the best, and the party goes on until 4 am, yes you can pick up for sure, but when the bar closes and you have a walk outside you do not feel the same joie de vivre atmosphere, Manhattan is very business, there's just something special with the summer in MTL and the pick ups you can do after 3AM of amazing.

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So all in all how can NYC be the evident choice?

For what it's worth NYC is considered in the community a top destination, but Montreal has mecca status for game.

If I look at pick up companies like RSD nations they all come here, Alex RSD has chosen a couple cities for this tour he comes here in his new concept, David D did his only private even outside of his conferences here, Cliff's list was one of the original seduction community guys etc.

I'm not trying to sell this city otherwise than to encourage people not to miss out on what had been great for me , but also for the other tons of players who came here on a budget or with some big cash.

We don't know if GManifesto was real or not, but boy did he nail it about this city with such true details as what you should order in a specific restaurant and the ambiance on such a night.

NYC is great, one of the top 10 if not 5 game cities in the world, but for that you need to be in Manhatten when I go there it's a 4K trip for 5 days who can pay this on a regular basis?

[Clint Barton]

Barring a work trip to Asia, me and a few forum guys here in NYC will be hitting up Montreal in June.

[8ball]

@Saruman

If your first language is French or if you are 18-25, or you have no career objectives then i would say Montreal beats NYC. If none of these apply to you then NYC is the better choice.

Claiming that montreal is chosen by RSD doesn't mean anything.

You also failed to mention the cold harsh winters. About a 15-25 C difference.

Anyhow, this comparison is fruitless, it depends on what you want and what your niche is.

[Saruman]

(04-16-2015 03:14 PM)8ball Wrote:  

@Saruman

If your first language is French or if you are 18-25, or you have no career objectives then i would say Montreal beats NYC. If none of these apply to you then NYC is the better choice.

Claiming that montreal is chosen by RSD doesn't mean anything.

You also failed to mention the cold harsh winters. About a 15-25 C difference.

Anyhow, this comparison is fruitless, it depends on what you want and what your niche is.

I'm a lawyer in my thirties I could go to NYC, but Quebec is my motherhood as a french canadian, you can leave but it's not like if you are american and can chose form all the states you want to live in.

Forget RSD would you argue that their is a consensus in the community at large saying NYC is better than MTL, because I would think it's the other way around, this being said I'm no authority just my opinion if it was just for me I'd have central locations penthouses in MTL NYC and South Beach, with a summer apartment in Barcelona and another one in Berlin.

[Dantes]

(04-16-2015 03:32 PM)Saruman Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 03:14 PM)8ball Wrote:  

@Saruman

If your first language is French or if you are 18-25, or you have no career objectives then i would say Montreal beats NYC. If none of these apply to you then NYC is the better choice.

Claiming that montreal is chosen by RSD doesn't mean anything.

You also failed to mention the cold harsh winters. About a 15-25 C difference.

Anyhow, this comparison is fruitless, it depends on what you want and what your niche is.

I'm a lawyer in my thirties I could go to NYC, but Quebec is my motherhood as a french canadian, you can leave but it's not like if you are american and can chose form all the states you want to live in.

Forget RSD would you argue that their is a consensus in the community at large saying NYC is better than MTL, because I would think it's the other way around, this being said I'm no authority just my opinion if it was just for me I'd have central locations penthouses in MTL NYC and South Beach, with a summer apartment in Barcelona and another one in Berlin.

I agree with your first 4 choices, but I wasn't impressed with a recent stay in Berlin. Curious why you elevate Berlin out of all the places in the world?

[YossariansRight]

(04-16-2015 03:32 PM)Saruman Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 03:14 PM)8ball Wrote:  

@Saruman

If your first language is French or if you are 18-25, or you have no career objectives then i would say Montreal beats NYC. If none of these apply to you then NYC is the better choice.

Claiming that montreal is chosen by RSD doesn't mean anything.

You also failed to mention the cold harsh winters. About a 15-25 C difference.

Anyhow, this comparison is fruitless, it depends on what you want and what your niche is.

I'm a lawyer in my thirties I could go to NYC, but Quebec is my motherhood as a french canadian, you can leave but it's not like if you are american and can chose form all the states you want to live in.

Forget RSD would you argue that their is a consensus in the community at large saying NYC is better than MTL, because I would think it's the other way around, this being said I'm no authority just my opinion if it was just for me I'd have central locations penthouses in MTL NYC and South Beach, with a summer apartment in Barcelona and another one in Berlin.

The "more than one base" strategy is a damn good one. Curious as to why you chose Barcelona for a potential summer apartment location.

[Saruman]

For Berlin I like tall girls with natural big breasts I find Berlin has the best to offer for this in consideration with the innocence and stubborn but then affectionate nature of the girls there .

I have not found that personality type relation in other cities with Similar physical traits such as krakow and tallin.

I exclude swedish girls because of butter faces and I don't like the summer weather in Norway and Helsinki btw city with the hottest girls in the world is Oslo but that's not the subject here it's overall where to go subject .

For Barcelona you though I was
Motivated about montreal Barcelona is the best kept secret on this board first two weeks of August why people don't talk about it I could die without knowing the reason last poosy paradise on earth I'm ready to put my absence of reputation on the line here for this .

[chochemonger1]

(04-16-2015 06:48 PM)Saruman Wrote:  

For Berlin I like tall girls with natural big breasts I find Berlin has the best to offer for this in consideration with the innocence and stubborn but then affectionate nature of the girls there .

I have not found that personality type relation in other cities with Similar physical traits such as krakow and tallin.

I exclude swedish girls because of butter faces and I don't like the summer weather in Norway and Helsinki btw city with the hottest girls in the world is Oslo but that's not the subject here it's overall where to go subject .

For Barcelona you though I was
Motivated about montreal Barcelona is the best kept secret on this board first two weeks of August why people don't talk about it I could die without knowing the reason last poosy paradise on earth I'm ready to put my absence of reputation on the line here for this .

Barcelona...a pussy paradise...haha. Yes your absence of reputation is quite evident.
Your Berlin thoughts, though, are intringuing and something to look into.

[Saruman]

Great my associate litterarely good mad for the first time in seven years because I mentioned Barcelona at those dates please don't come no problem.

[chochemonger1]

(04-16-2015 08:07 PM)Saruman Wrote:  

Great my associate litterarely good mad for the first time in seven years because I mentioned Barcelona at those dates please don't come no problem.

Give reasons Saruman. Explain. Data sheats. Earn a reputation.
Why is it better than Paris, Montreal or New York.

[Dantes]

(04-16-2015 06:48 PM)Saruman Wrote:  

For Berlin I like tall girls with natural big breasts I find Berlin has the best to offer for this in consideration with the innocence and stubborn but then affectionate nature of the girls there .

I have not found that personality type relation in other cities with Similar physical traits such as krakow and tallin.

I exclude swedish girls because of butter faces and I don't like the summer weather in Norway and Helsinki btw city with the hottest girls in the world is Oslo but that's not the subject here it's overall where to go subject .

For Barcelona you though I was
Motivated about montreal Barcelona is the best kept secret on this board first two weeks of August why people don't talk about it I could die without knowing the reason last poosy paradise on earth I'm ready to put my absence of reputation on the line here for this .

Interesting take on Berlin.

I don't want to derail this thread, but I found Swedish girls to have attractive faces. I found the talent to better in Eastern Europe but good overall.

[Saruman]

(04-16-2015 08:40 PM)Dantes Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 06:48 PM)Saruman Wrote:  

For Berlin I like tall girls with natural big breasts I find Berlin has the best to offer for this in consideration with the innocence and stubborn but then affectionate nature of the girls there .

I have not found that personality type relation in other cities with Similar physical traits such as krakow and tallin.

I exclude swedish girls because of butter faces and I don't like the summer weather in Norway and Helsinki btw city with the hottest girls in the world is Oslo but that's not the subject here it's overall where to go subject .

For Barcelona you though I was
Motivated about montreal Barcelona is the best kept secret on this board first two weeks of August why people don't talk about it I could die without knowing the reason last poosy paradise on earth I'm ready to put my absence of reputation on the line here for this .

Interesting take on Berlin.

I don't want to derail this thread, but I found Swedish girls to have attractive faces. I found the talent to better in Eastern Europe but good overall.

All right this is my last post on this thread.

Funny how the sole mention of Berlin got so many attention.

Why Berlin?

Berlin has a MTL feeling, how stale is that affirmation.

4 million people city, very artsy yet historic, cheap, foodie and overly feminine populate due to heavy student population.

Berlin has this new world historic vibe that I like, but more importantly I love these amazing german women who don't respond to game at first and make you breakfast the next morning talk about a post tinder happiness.

But there's no beach and not a lot of sun so make it a short stay.

Why Barcelona?

That's like asking why one does not like starting with KK in no limit texas hold'em.

What other city offers good game in Mediterranean climate?

LA?

Smog city central?

Barcelona again 4 million is 28c daytime 23 nightime 100 days straight a year.

Always sunny no rain.

Beach, tapas, tourists, very very low costs, massive influx from Scandinavia and South American, and Russia, non stop nights, AAA clubs, Opium what beats that Story, Liv, XS?

Difference is 30 euros gets you in at Opium at 2 am and if you miss 700 people are on the beach until 5 am what beats this in the summer Belgrade? I can't even think of anything else besides saying it's an oven in Eastern Europe in the summer and all the girls are not there.

All of my comments are based on poosy paradise traveling because I don't stay more than 10 days an any place.

[jimukr104]

(04-16-2015 01:39 PM)Saruman Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 12:44 PM)8ball Wrote:  

(04-16-2015 11:44 AM)CleanSlate Wrote:  

(04-14-2015 05:50 PM)Roosh Wrote:  

^^ I want to stay in MTL for two weeks to check it out. I do need a summer alternative to Europe, which I don't much for.

MTL is great not only for night game, but also for day game. You will kill it there.

[ NYC > Montreal ] in virtually all categories.

I have personally found NYC has both higher quantity and quality girls than Montreal. Not to mention, any language barrier is eliminated.

The only advantage to Montreal is that its cheap.

On the NYC MTL I don't want to argue a lot because I rate Manhattan...number 2 in North America for game in the summer.

I think it's important to distinguish Manhattan from the other boroughs for game as it's important to distinguish South Beach from mainland, it's just not the same things.

You say NYC beats Montreal on all categories, let's have a small breakdown for the summer months (June to August);

Climate: Pretty much the same, but 3 degrees more for NYC with a little bit more rain.

Logistics: Slight advantage for Manhatten, with 66 000 per square mile you can't go wrong, but MTL has 33 000 per square mile in the central districts, which is still very high.

This being said most girls in MTL live very close to where the bar or day game venue is.

In Manhattan you are sometimes facing a 30 min.+ cab ride to get to the place where the sex could occur if it's another borough.

Of course if you live in Manhattan it's great, yes MTL is cheaper, but who has a 120 K+ income to live in Manhattan not anyone, so this is a valid point.

Quality of girls: Slight advantage for MTL

Let's be frank NYC has hot girls everwhere, but there is a lot of typical white American girls, albeit there are way slimmer than elsewhere.

The variety people talk about NYC where is it? Black and some asians where is the other variety I'm sorry I don't see it when I go there.

In MTL you have big contigents of first generation immigrants and second generation from Romania, Moldavia, Russia,

I know there are russian girls in NYC, but I never see them.

Also a lot of girls in MTL from Venezuela, Argentinia, Colombia, Brazalian, I know there are some in NYC also, but I tend to see them less.

More european girls per capital in MTL as well.

Now when you add french canadians girls come on they are AAA grade.

People came here for seduction before game even was documented.

The genetic has stayed pure here Quebec girls will always beat American girls for beauty, this is a huge plus for MTL.

DTF factor of girls: TIE, I found of girls are DTF in both cities.

Langage: Advantage NYC, my first language is french obviously I have a home field advantage for the girls here.

THE SUMMER IN MONTREAL: Here is where it becomes interesting. Most Nordic societies have cold winters and mild summers. If you go to Scandinavia the summer lasts two months top and that summer is often disrupted by temps in the low 60's and rain and wind. Their actual summer is called midsummer and does not last more than a couple weeks. Then if it gets really hot they don't have AC and you can't sleep at night.

MTL on the other part as a real summer typical of the East coast of the US. As it is so snowy and bitterly cold in the winter (way more than scandinavia) people literally hibernate and wake up in the summer with a lot of energie and the famous joie de vivre. In this context, the effervesence of summer here, well documented in the mainstream tourist industry, trickles down to the DTF factor of girls in the summer.

Also, the summer is hot and long enough to have about 100 days of tropical weather feeling when the nights don't stop.

Sure there are big parties in Manhatten in the summer, once you paid 120$ USD to the doorman to get in an another 120$ USD to go to another venue and the first one sucked, because that's what I do maybe it's not the best, and the party goes on until 4 am, yes you can pick up for sure, but when the bar closes and you have a walk outside you do not feel the same joie de vivre atmosphere, Manhattan is very business, there's just something special with the summer in MTL and the pick ups you can do after 3AM of amazing.

__________________________________

So all in all how can NYC be the evident choice?

For what it's worth NYC is considered in the community a top destination, but Montreal has mecca status for game.

If I look at pick up companies like RSD nations they all come here, Alex RSD has chosen a couple cities for this tour he comes here in his new concept, David D did his only private even outside of his conferences here, Cliff's list was one of the original seduction community guys etc.

I'm not trying to sell this city otherwise than to encourage people not to miss out on what had been great for me , but also for the other tons of players who came here on a budget or with some big cash.

We don't know if GManifesto was real or not, but boy did he nail it about this city with such true details as what you should order in a specific restaurant and the ambiance on such a night.

NYC is great, one of the top 10 if not 5 game cities in the world, but for that you need to be in Manhatten when I go there it's a 4K trip for 5 days who can pay this on a regular basis?

Some of the things here are wrong(probably explains the 1 like lol). NYC has the largest population of Colombians in the USA. About 60-70k Brazilians also!

Russians? NYC metro area has over 1.2 million Russian speakers including the largest population in one city outside of FSU, while Montreal has about 35k. Reason you don't see them is that you are hanging out in Manhattan. Same for the others. And you probably aren't their type , they like themselves mostly.

Manhattan is where tourists and the bridge and tunnel crowd(NJ) and Kansas implants hang out, and LA transplants like Slubu . Why would you see them there?

They come on the subway to work like everyone else, but they don't party there because in NYC, ethnics live in ethnic enclaves and aren't force to assimilate like they do in CanAda(or UK for that matter), so they most likely won't hang out in the hip places that Anglo's hang out in. In NYC except for tourist and embassy workers the other ethnicity go home to their designated areas. You want Colombians? Go to Jackson heights, it will feel like Bogota.

You might be right that in Montreal everyone is seen in the center because the city HAS NOTHING else to offer lol. NYC isn't set up that way. one can live in their area and NEVER enter Manhattan and have it all.

But that is a GREAT thing..they act here like it is still 1985! They keep their culture so it is an authentic Russkie!

So you don't see them..but I can'T leave my lobby without seeing them. That includes all the FSU gals. We have EE girls too but of course most stopped immigrating once they joined the EU..except for the Russian Latvian and Estonian ethnics.
Obviously there are loads of Greeks and Poles, since they helped to build the city but they don't immigrate anywhere these days.

Also NYC probably has in absolute numbers more Europeans since it has a metro area of over 20 million. The largest Italian community outside of Italy is in Staten Island.


The largest Chinese population outside of China is also in NYC. Why not visit one of our 8 CHINA towns.yes 8!

Yes if you are going to game in Manhattan you will most likely be gaming American chicks, mostly who came from the other 49 crappy states to experience living with 3 roommates in an apt, maybe you will meet a few tourists or nannies , embassy workers. That isn't the real NY..never has been. The natives stay local!
You just haven't figured it out! That is the key to experiencing the variety..getting into social groups that party in their ethnic enclaves.

When I was 18-22 I partied in Manhattan...I also mostly met American chicks!

Brodaiga will back me on this!

[Dantes]

(04-16-2015 01:39 PM)Saruman Wrote:  

[quote] (04-16-2015 12:44 PM)8ball Wrote:  

[quote='Roosh' pid='1000209' dateline='1429051846']

^^ I want to stay in MTL for two weeks to check it out. I do need a summer alternative to Europe, which I don't much for.

MTL is great not only for night game, but also for day game. You will kill it there.

[ NYC > Montreal ] in virtually all categories.

The variety people talk about NYC where is it? Black and some asians where is the other variety I'm sorry I don't see it when I go there.


This is incorrect. NYC has talent from all over the world with solid representation from Asian, European and South American countries. It is hard to find a more culturally diverse city.

You bring up some good points about Montreal...it is a cool city. The biggest drawback about NYC is the expense.

[Rang off the Pipe]

jimukr is absolutely right. One can't really blame Saruman though since his experiences seem to be limited to Manhattan.

[Saruman]

I'm in a LTR with a girlfriend at home when I go to Manhattan its for 3-4 days when I go to Europe I do 4 cities/countries in 15 days that's all I can do so yeah I can't go deep in whatever borough actually I think a big differences in views in this whole board is short term travellers vs people who actually have the luxury and the great opportunity to stay at one place this changes many things .

For people like me who can't pipeline or tinder and cannot go on dates to much so rely heavily on night games the game is now a bigger challenge for ONS

[Kaizen]

One thing that doesn't need debate is the WEATHER. Montreal makes Manhattan feel like Palm Beach in the winter.

I know both cities extremely well.

The following guide is all you need to decide which city is better for you:

Speak French Well: Montreal

Don't Speak French Well: Manhattan

[Saruman]

Montreal has terrible weather mid October through end of march.

Funny part is it feels like Raleigh North carolina when you compare it to quebec City or anything more North .

That's why montreal had 2.3
Million in 1970 and only four million today I mean winters here are a chore a challenge a purgatory it's terrible .

[Vaun]

(04-17-2015 05:41 AM)Dantes Wrote:  

NYC has talent from all over the world with solid representation from Asian, European and South American countries. It is hard to find a more culturally diverse city.

In Manhattan especially. Everyone comes here to work and party. You would have to be deaf, dumb and blind to not recognize that on any given day. Sure you will find the ethnic pockets around the boro's and NJ, and truthfully there are a lot of fine high quality girls out there because they really dont care about being in Manhattan and living the Carrie Bradshaw lifestyle. Many of the Russian, Latin or immigrant women that live outside of Manhattan look down on it as waste of money. Truthfully the highest concentrations of vapid, dead in the eyes, boring ass typical suburban Americans tend to be now in the Lower East Side, East Village and Williamsburg. Its basically an outdoor mall, and nothing like what it once was. Montreal sounds nice for a road trip, but with the punitive and insanely liberal Canadian culture, to me its a huge turn off.

[BDawg]

(04-18-2015 07:17 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

Truthfully the highest concentrations of vapid, dead in the eyes, boring ass typical suburban Americans tend to be now in the Lower East Side, East Village and Williamsburg. Its basically an outdoor mall, and nothing like what it once was.

It only became this way in the last few years, Upper East Side as well. My first intro to the East Village was a dead junkie left in front of a stoop near E6th and Avenue B. That was 2009. The same year Bedford Avenue in Williamsburg was still low key enough and without skyscrapers.

I only go to the Upper West Side and Chinatown nowadays.

[Vaun]

(04-18-2015 07:49 PM)BDawg Wrote:  

(04-18-2015 07:17 PM)Vaun Wrote:  

Truthfully the highest concentrations of vapid, dead in the eyes, boring ass typical suburban Americans tend to be now in the Lower East Side, East Village and Williamsburg. Its basically an outdoor mall, and nothing like what it once was.

It only became this way in the last few years, Upper East Side as well. My first intro to the East Village was a dead junkie left in front of a stoop near E6th and Avenue B. That was 2009. The same year Bedford Avenue in Williamsburg was still low key enough and without skyscrapers.

I only go to the Upper West Side and Chinatown nowadays.

mine was 1994, a total 180 from what it is now. When I see these kids moving in to be hardcore I have to holdback the laughter, its like those malls that have condos attached. Great logistics though, but the quality of life is still shit.

[BDawg]

East Village Today:

[Captain Gh]

(04-18-2015 09:09 PM)BDawg Wrote:  

East Village Today:

Read some Youtube comments and the "cat calling" guys name is Skam Dust. I believe he is a Musician and Graffiti Artist at the same time. His technique might be a little off, but his mentality on women and seduction is Bang On and I'm sure he gets more pussy that the interviewer under any circumstances!

[Rang off the Pipe]

As far as I'm concerned, East Village is great for going out because of the concentration of younger people who are living their college years or reliving their college years. That's just about it though (neglecting other stuff such as restaurants and whatnot).