[The_Wonder]

I'm new to game, like brand new (only started reading Roosh's first book a couple of days ago). I thought I'd have a go today, just with approaching and opening and that's it. The funny thing is, I never felt ridiculously anxious when approaching. I really didn't give a shit what these birds thought of me. When I was younger, I was diagnosed with pretty mild autism, and I remember not being so concerned with the thoughts of others as my peers were.

Is there a link between autism and lack of approach anxiety? And would you lads say that mild autism is useful or a hindrance in game?

[BDawg]

(04-05-2015 04:17 PM)The_Wonder Wrote:  

Is there a link between autism and lack of approach anxiety? And would you lads say that mild autism is useful or a hindrance in game?

Do you have Asperger's or just mild ASD? Are you "high functioning?"

The Complete Guide to Asperger's Syndrome book by Tony Attwood states that many people with mild ASD can come off as stalkers often. People with the disorder tend to appear as too intense with their sexual advances. Being on the spectrum should not be an advantage in game at the outset unless you have put a great deal of research into the process.

[The_CEO]

(04-05-2015 04:17 PM)The_Wonder Wrote:  

I'm new to game, like brand new (only started reading Roosh's first book a couple of days ago). I thought I'd have a go today, just with approaching and opening and that's it. The funny thing is, I never felt ridiculously anxious when approaching. I really didn't give a shit what these birds thought of me. When I was younger, I was diagnosed with pretty mild autism, and I remember not being so concerned with the thoughts of others as my peers were.

Is there a link between autism and lack of approach anxiety? And would you lads say that mild autism is useful or a hindrance in game?

Don't worry, plenty of people without autism have merciless A.A.
RV talks about it (AA) in his Day Bang book too using an example with his brother.

[WestIndianArchie]

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[Suits]

I've been accused of being aspie (even by commentators on this forum that I have never met me), but threads like this confirm to me that I'm a million miles away from it.

I had always had good people instincts, but I just wasn't concerned about them.

It took me a long time to realize that the social feedback I was getting could be used to my advantage and that I had to consider the subconscious information I was picking up from people's facial expressions and postures.

I wonder if there is a label for living life like an aspie, just because you don't give a fuck.

That being said, given my experience, I have a huge amount of sympathy for those who have no choice in the matter.

[Ethan Hunt]

As it is a spectrum disorder I don't think it is clear cut enough to say that there is no AA. Many do and will have AA, others may not. Are you able to notice peoples change in mood and more importantly adjust yourself accordingly?

[The_Wonder]

Interesting points lads. I'm definitely high functioning (never had any learning difficulties or anything like that). Maybe as I've grown older I've moved further away from the autistic side of the spectrum, so if they tried to diagnose me now they would say that I don't have it. It's always in the back of my mind though, not just in regards to women. Probably best to just disregard it! Maybe I struggle more to read people's moods but maybe I need to understand female body language more, as never really paid that much attention to it in the past.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

The guy from Backroom Casting Couch - Eric Whittaker https://twitter.com/EricLive

has described himself as having Asperger's.

Obviously that did not hinder him from fucking thousands. The funny thing is that he says that he gets approached by girls who don't want to film, but want to fuck him - also some friends of the girls who do the shoots. Preselection works well, also porn has become the new Fuck The Bad Boy experience as most are one and dones.

Now as far as autism worsening approach anxiety - yes and no - generally autism should decrease your ability to perceive human emotions and read body language as well, so that's why we called RSD spam approaching also autism-like-approaching, because they formerly taught guys to run the script and don't care if the woman seemed receptive or not.

But with everything in life - hindrances can be overcome and so can you. Probably no need to open a porn site for that. Maybe you can even use it to your advantage and train yourself to be more of a jerk there.

@WIA - nice story about Rodrigo who obviously used his weaknesses and Game somewhat tells you why they worked for him.

[Easy_C]

My advice? Forget about the "autism" label. It's useless for everything other than claiming victim status and making excuses. I originally tested within the autism spectrum as a teenager, and now thanks to some hard work I'm married to a top-tier female(an actual unicorn of a girl), win the "best speaker" award almost every time I compete, and I'm good enough at selling myself to get into a top-20 MBA program in spite of sub-par stats.

You are who you are. Know your strengths and weaknesses, then work on your weaknesses just enough that they don't hold you back while investing heavily in your strengths.




For folks in general you need to get over approach anxiety. A lot of you are still in the bullshit PUA mindset that having "tons of approaches" is a measure of success. In reality you're about as impressive as a cold calling salesman who gets a single sale by calling a thousand people every day. Sure you might get something but you're wasting an enormous amount of time and energy in addition to exposing yourself to a lot more negativity than you need.

Instead of the "approaching" that PUA's teach I want you to go out to a club this weekend. Get in line, take a look around while getting in line. Once you're in the club do a lap around at a nice and relaxed pace. Get a drink, then do it again. While you do this keep watching the room....if you see any girls look towards you, try to see if they will make eye contact.

The ones who make and hold eye contact for a second are the ones who are interested in what they see. Immediately walk over and introduce yourself to them. They already like you enough to check you out so as long as you don't say or do anything stupid you won't have a problem.

[Easy_C]

(04-06-2015 01:29 AM)WestIndianArchie Wrote:  



He's very interested in what everyone has to say.

That's how Rodrigo lives his life.

And that, right there, is the key skill. The biggest reason a lot of "nerd" types fail isn't because of their personalities but because they don't really give a shit what other people are saying.

Build these habits:

1: When people are speaking, make sure to look at them while they speak.

2: Don't open your mouth until a second or two after they've stopped speaking. This prevents you from interrupting and helps you look like you're paying attention.

3: Keep it short. Rarely should you ever try to correct, lecture to, or tell impressive stories to a girl. Instead just ask them short and guided questions about what they're telling you.



Also: http://www.in-themoment.com/workshop4.asp

For any of you in Toastmasters their "competent leadership" manual that you get when you join also has active listening exercises.

[The_Wonder]

(04-06-2015 04:13 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Instead of the "approaching" that PUA's teach I want you to go out to a club this weekend. Get in line, take a look around while getting in line. Once you're in the club do a lap around at a nice and relaxed pace. Get a drink, then do it again. While you do this keep watching the room....if you see any girls look towards you, try to see if they will make eye contact.

The ones who make and hold eye contact for a second are the ones who are interested in what they see. Immediately walk over and introduce yourself to them. They already like you enough to check you out so as long as you don't say or do anything stupid you won't have a problem.

This is the whole IOI thing. If she looks at you and immediately down to the floor, if she looks away horizontally and back again etc. But I feel this is more of a looks thing. Correct me if I'm wrong.

It is useful, don't get me wrong, at least preliminarily in deciding who to approach first. But one thing I learnt from reading RV's stuff, is that attraction can be built from nothing. So if you bomb with the ones giving you IOI's after you have approached them, you can still approach the ones that didn't, and potentially do better purely from game.

Interesting point though mate!

[Easy_C]

"Attraction can be built from nothing" is bullshit that's sold to you so that you'll buy PUA ebooks to find out how.


That said eye contact isn't the hard and fast rule. Once you get more advanced in the game you'll find that it's entirely possible to kind of "feel" which girls in the room will get along with you when you talk to them, but I don't recommend trying that when you're starting out.

Also one tip is to drop the acronyms from your speech. It comes off as robotic and awkward. Just talk to me or a girl the same way you would when talking to another guy about your favorite video game.

[WestIndianArchie]

(04-06-2015 04:13 PM)Easy_C Wrote:  

Instead of the "approaching" that PUA's teach I want you to go out to a club this weekend. Get in line, take a look around while getting in line. Once you're in the club do a lap around at a nice and relaxed pace. Get a drink, then do it again. While you do this keep watching the room....if you see any girls look towards you, try to see if they will make eye contact.

The ones who make and hold eye contact for a second are the ones who are interested in what they see. Immediately walk over and introduce yourself to them. They already like you enough to check you out so as long as you don't say or do anything stupid you won't have a problem.

I disagree homeboy © Ice Cube

Lazy macking like searching for eye contact or fishing for it doesn't really put you in control. A chick that don't like the way you look will easily dismiss you. But a chick that likes your rap will suddenly be in to you.

A dude can become "cute" by what he says and how he says it.

Nothing wrong with an easy lay up, but you gotta learn how to ball.

WIA