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Scientific study tests Indirect vs. Direct cold approach
03-21-2015, 11:44 PM
I would be all for indirect but the first question (Hello, I'm sorry to bother you but I was wondering if you were busy now. If not, we could have a drink together if you have some time) is more direct-indirect or even horribly executed direct. Hell, the sorries and the ifs imply its indirect. When you are direct you have to lead.
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Scientific study tests Indirect vs. Direct cold approach
03-21-2015, 11:51 PM
Execution aside, the result seems like a slam dunk to me. 3% for direct vs 15% for indirect. With better execution the numbers would be higher.
But given the current status of my game, I'll take that 15% with poor execution any day!
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Scientific study tests Indirect vs. Direct cold approach
03-22-2015, 01:32 AM
Eh, totally depends on the situation. If you are in a coffee shop, definitely run indirect. If you are in line at a check out of a whole foods, you don't have time to run indirect. Ask her about whats in her cart to get her attention, then I ask her out.
FWIW, russian grocery marts exist in bigger cities, but probably places like whole foods and other high end grocers are going to be better overall for daygame.
College campuses, yeah, you can get a conversation going with indirect game, then run galnuc.
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Scientific study tests Indirect vs. Direct cold approach
03-22-2015, 02:41 AM
I stopped reading when I saw that his opening line was" I'm sorry to bother you."
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Scientific study tests Indirect vs. Direct cold approach
03-22-2015, 04:39 AM
I have a couple of thoughts.
This was in France so it could be that the line doesn't sound as bad in French as it does translated. People who game in multiple languages know this-- some phrases sound terrible in one language and good in another.
It makes a persuasive point that bad, inexperienced indirect day game is better than bad, inexperienced direct day game. This may not be the case for those with >500 or even >100 approaches and have gotten good at this.
This is also almost more testing the efficacy of the Ben Franklin effect rather than direct-vs indirect game.
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Scientific study tests Indirect vs. Direct cold approach
03-25-2015, 05:17 PM
It seems to me they did it this way (such a quick move to instadate) in order to control other variables. Once the interaction goes longer than two minutes, all kinds of other elements come into play (guy's skill, direction of the conversation etc etc.)
I haven't read the entire study, but it could be that they hypothesise to have these proportions reflected in longer interactions.
As in 10% number close with direct, 50% number close with indirect in situations where the pickup attempt is less rushed (retaining the x5 relationship). Then of course you'd need another study to analyse how many of those numbers mean anything. I'd rather the 10% direct approach success rate than the flake prone 50% indirect numbers.