[moridin]

As someone with Asian ancestry, I'm appaled at some of the subtle racism present in those women's accounts of their lives in Asia. All of them say that men have a nice time dating good looking local girls or the top of the expat social life because they're rare, but they (the women) have trouble dating the bottom of the expat social life and the local men. One of the articles actually shows a woman dating a local man for 3 years, then she broke up with him. Among many things, she got annoyed at his personal hygiene (her boyfriend was Chinese). Does she think the Chinese women that the expat men date also don't have different hygiene and cultural standards? Does she think Chinese women don't make slurping noises when eating noodles? Because they do! So the expat men are able to overcome this cultural friction in their love life, but the few expat women who consider dating local men don't seem able to do that. And then they start complaining about feeling lonely and so on. It seems that western women don't really understand what's important for a long term relationship, like communication and actually putting up with the faults in your partner. No wonder they remain single.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-08-2015 04:46 PM)moridin Wrote:  

As someone with Asian ancestry, I'm appaled at some of the subtle racism present in those women's accounts of their lives in Asia. All of them say that men have a nice time dating good looking local girls or the top of the expat social life because they're rare, but they (the women) have trouble dating the bottom of the expat social life and the local men. One of the articles actually shows a woman dating a local man for 3 years, then she broke up with him. Among many things, she got annoyed at his personal hygiene (her boyfriend was Chinese). Does she think the Chinese women that the expat men date also don't have different hygiene and cultural standards? Does she think Chinese women don't make slurping noises when eating noodles? Because they do! So the expat men are able to overcome this cultural friction in their love life, but the few expat women who consider dating local men don't seem able to do that. And then they start complaining about feeling lonely and so on. It seems that western women don't really understand what's important for a long term relationship, like communication and actually putting up with the faults in your partner. No wonder they remain single.

Most of it are useless rationalizations. Even if they would want to be with an Asian man, they would have to accept his more traditional outlook on family life and also compete with the other options he has.

Girls in the West have such a tremendous gender advantage that they only realize how good they have it until they crash into a dating world, where men have the upper hand. I wonder how they would react at times in Europe between 1870 and 1920, where women outnumbered men by 10-20%?

[TheNinja]

As a Chinese man, I know most of my fellow asians would say 'heck yes' if you ask them about fucking a white woman. But the image in every person's head is an image of a white woman is a 20 year old Denise Richards or a 22 year old Megan Fox. We're not thinking of a chick as chubby as this one. While this chick may be of "average" or fucking "curvy" in the United States, this is flat out a whale in China. Any Chinese man who isn't poor would be be embarrassed to be seen with a whale like this in a restaurant.

I've lived and been educated in the states long enough to see the difference. While I know my SMV is lower in the US than in China -- I have enough dating experience and have seen this shit happen to even my good looking friends in America too many times.

White women attitude problems happen because American guys are so thirsty they don't know when to stop kissing their asses. Every instagram picture is liked. Every fat chick is told she's beautiful in and out. Whales are called curvy. Skinny people are frowned upon and dick is way too available even for the really beat chicks. Girls can match anybody they like on Tinder.

I remember I was in a club with a friend, 6'1 good looking blonde guy who started dancing with a 300 lb beast. 2 minutes later she pushes him away and leaves. Me and my other Korean friend couldn't believe it. This chick would never get somebody to dance with her in Asia.

Every time I go at night I see nuclear rejections happen to myself and even to my best looking tall white guy friends. When girls in American clubs turn you down they don't even do it politely anymore. "How are you?" would sometimes be met by "Fuck off" at clubs.

Chicks complain about chivalry being dead, but what about being classy and soft spoken?

This type of shit would never fly in Asia. In Tokyo when I studied Japanese I had an exchange student from Australia who dissed all of locals for being skinny. She'd complain about Japan and Asian immigrants in Australia nonstop while her fat ass was in Asia. It was so funny and glorifying when one day our teacher jokingly asked about the size of her dress and all the asians in the class laughed. She went on and on on how she was just normal and fit in Australia. Nah bitch. You're fat and your BMI says you're a fat ass.

In most asian countries, prostitution is very common and not looked down upon as much as it is in the States. I think that's one of the reasons Chinese, Filipino, Thai and Korean men aren't that thisrty. When 16 year olds can go to saunas and get happy endings anytime, there is no need to kiss the ass of these undesirable women.

[Phoenix]

(06-09-2015 01:29 AM)TheNinja Wrote:  

It was so funny and glorifying when one day our teacher jokingly asked about the size of her dress and all the asians in the class laughed. She went on and on on how she was just normal and fit in Australia.

1. Take that bitch. Wish I was there, I'd have enjoyed throwing a few of my own barbs.
2. She's right you know. I guess someone needs to point out to her how small and irrelevant Australia is to anything though. Being garbage amongst garbage just means you're in a trash can, nothing else.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

Ay - Ninja is assassinating the Western female hamsters here.

[TheNinja]

(06-09-2015 01:57 AM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 01:29 AM)TheNinja Wrote:  

It was so funny and glorifying when one day our teacher jokingly asked about the size of her dress and all the asians in the class laughed. She went on and on on how she was just normal and fit in Australia.

1. Take that bitch. Wish I was there, I'd have enjoyed throwing a few of my own barbs.
2. She's right you know. I guess someone needs to point out to her how small and irrelevant Australia is to anything though. Being garbage amongst garbage just means you're in a trash can, nothing else.

The worst thing I see in America are the nuclear rejections.

At a bar in my college town, I remember two girls dancing while obviously looking for attention (once you go to bars enough you can tell when they're just dancing for male attention.) They danced next to our table and my friends offer them a couple of free shots and they take it. My friend (one Jewish guy and one marine from Iowa) start to talk to them and they completely ignore them, one even goes far as pushing my friend when he came closer. Another round of free shots happen and these women do the same thing again. After my friend gets shot down, I get so pissed I told these girls in their face to fuck off our table and just leave. They were so shocked we fought back but I stood my ground. I'm not saying hurt these women, but I'm saying when they're being impolite you gotta tell them off for them to learn.

There's this other time I have a friend ask "where'd you buy those hotdogs" outside a bar and got told to his face "GET THE FUCK OFF". I was a year old FOB at this point. I couldn't believe what just happened. That's a nuclear rejection.0

i'm not going to lie man. at times I started asking whether it was my race, and maybe it was. but i see that none of my white buddies were getting any more action than I am anyway. i'm getting treated the way everyone was. so i just tried to develop game and go to the gym. i'd get results but it is still very different from outside america.

you know on the flip side, having been in the receiving end of American women can be good for an American man's game. once you experience their harshness, any type of women would be a breeze. the problem is that a lot of americans don't get to see how women is in the other side of the world. they don't know there's any better. I feel bad especially for asian-americans, when they get nuclear rejections they start hating themselves and keep blaming themselves.

I mean it sucks but there are way better options out there. i'd never kiss these women's asses again.

[Akula]

(06-08-2015 04:46 PM)moridin Wrote:  

As someone with Asian ancestry, I'm appaled at some of the subtle racism present in those women's accounts of their lives in Asia. All of them say that men have a nice time dating good looking local girls or the top of the expat social life because they're rare, but they (the women) have trouble dating the bottom of the expat social life and the local men. One of the articles actually shows a woman dating a local man for 3 years, then she broke up with him. Among many things, she got annoyed at his personal hygiene (her boyfriend was Chinese). Does she think the Chinese women that the expat men date also don't have different hygiene and cultural standards? Does she think Chinese women don't make slurping noises when eating noodles? Because they do! So the expat men are able to overcome this cultural friction in their love life, but the few expat women who consider dating local men don't seem able to do that. And then they start complaining about feeling lonely and so on. It seems that western women don't really understand what's important for a long term relationship, like communication and actually putting up with the faults in your partner. No wonder they remain single.

You hit on a key component but it's WAAAYY worse than that.

One of the main things is that western women are literally taught to not respect men. And also that "they don't need a man" and men are putting them down and preventing them from succeeding. Oh, they can also do no wrong and everything they do is empowering (you know like having sex with hundreds of men, or getting fat - no judgements!).

Then they have their "women's studies" courses and women's support groups and such in the universities and workplace that reinforce the "men are bad" meme. The sad reality is that these groups are literally scheming against men, how to bring them down and such. So it all starts from schooling and gets worse as they age.

Imagine trying to date a woman like that (let alone think about having kids and/or marrying them!). Society in the west has basically created a toxicity between the sexes that is very difficult to overcome unless you've got a very intelligent, feminine and moral woman who sees the bullshit for what it is. That's a rare creature indeed - and finding a slim and attractive one rarer still.

[Phoenix]

I've never seen rejections like that, but I've seen American women and their attitude so I can believe it. As far as women go even Australian women are much more pleasant to talk to.

Men should fight back. That guy who asked about the hot dog should have responded with 'you can go ahead and choke to death on that hotdog you piece of shit, I'd enjoy watching that', not just meekly taking that abuse and walking away.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-09-2015 02:19 AM)Akula Wrote:  

Imagine trying to date a woman like that (let alone think about having kids and/or marrying them!). Society in the west has basically created a toxicity between the sexes that is very difficult to overcome unless you've got a very intelligent, feminine and moral woman who sees the bullshit for what it is. That's a rare creature indeed - and finding a slim and attractive one rarer still.

It's not so bad - the reason for bitchy female behavior as described by Ninja is more a terrible gender ratio in the ages of 18-30. In addition you have the obese girls which limit the ratio more. When you look at some of the dating stats, then you see in certain cities 40 to even 60% more young men than women.

The funny part is that if you go to New York or Las Vegas where the ratios are more sane or even slightly in our favor, then suddenly the same empowered and oh-so-mighty girls behave in a highly different way.

Women are subconsciously highly opportunistic and react to the flow of the herd. The moment they sniff more pussy than cock, then the bitch-shields are almost down to zero and a smile instead of a snark miraculously appears.

That is the also the main reason why Asia is superior in addition to Eastern Europe / FSU - this won't change so quickly either.

[Galahad]

Lucky me, never had such nightmare rejections in Germany. Sure rejections and one or two girls don't know how to behave but mostly its a decent way. Guess its more a problem of the USA.

[CH-Toronto]

(06-08-2015 04:59 PM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

Girls in the West have such a tremendous gender advantage that they only realize how good they have it until they crash into a dating world, where men have the upper hand. I wonder how they would react at times in Europe between 1870 and 1920, where women outnumbered men by 10-20%?

I'm going to quote this again - because it never gets old

Quote:

These men wouldn’t have been able to score a date at home if they’d been a calender but in Asia they’d nabbed the prom queen. They were true success stories. Who could blame them for taking advantage of a magical loophole that allowed them to date women out of their league? If such a nirvana existed for Western woman, I’m sure I’d have moved there too.

http://www.vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/

Does that sound like someone who 'realized' how good they had it elsewhere?

[StrikeBack]

Please guys, nobody tells these bitches about the land down under, where men glow and women plunder...

[BlueOcean]

(06-09-2015 01:29 AM)TheNinja Wrote:  

In most asian countries, prostitution is very common and not looked down upon as much as it is in the States. I think that's one of the reasons Chinese, Filipino, Thai and Korean men aren't that thisrty. When 16 year olds can go to saunas and get happy endings anytime, there is no need to kiss the ass of these undesirable women.

I agree with you that Asian dudes typically aren't that thirsty. I think that helps them to be more selective about who they chase. Asian women understand that if they don't stay thin and at least pretend to be feminine, Asian men won't want them.

[RickyWax]

(06-09-2015 07:54 AM)BlueOcean Wrote:  

I agree with you that Asian dudes typically aren't that thirsty. I think that helps them to be more selective about who they chase. Asian women understand that if they don't stay thin and at least pretend to be feminine, Asian men won't want them.

This has to do with the region/culture. You aren't going to see Russian dudes in Russia all thirsty but that doesn't mean that White guys aren't thirsty as shown in the US. An Asian guy in the US is going to be thirsty like any other guy in the US compared to his eastern counterparts.

[El Chinito loco]

(06-09-2015 09:00 AM)RickyWax Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 07:54 AM)BlueOcean Wrote:  

I agree with you that Asian dudes typically aren't that thirsty. I think that helps them to be more selective about who they chase. Asian women understand that if they don't stay thin and at least pretend to be feminine, Asian men won't want them.

This has to do with the region/culture. You aren't going to see Russian dudes in Russia all thirsty but that doesn't mean that White guys aren't thirsty as shown in the US. An Asian guy in the US is going to be thirsty like any other guy in the US compared to his eastern counterparts.

An asian guy really doesn't belong in the U.S. and I say this as an asian guy. It's like an African parrot living in England. The culture, environment, and social interaction is just so diammetrically opposed to some instrinsic part of what the person is and originates from.

I'd say the same about latinos as well. It's a completely unnatural environment for men who come from cultures where women are friendly and accommodating.

America is an anglo dominant environment. It's a place that inherited 90%+ of its culture from the Brits. It really does not jive well with asians or latinos in general deep down on some spiritual level.

[BlueOcean]

First generation Asian guys seem socially isolated from mainstream America, but 2nd/3rd generation dudes do better. Lots of Asians in Hawaii and southern California have game too, but that's partly a function of their environment.

Good for Asian dudes that they don't drop their standards and chase fatties.

[CJ_W]

(03-10-2015 02:05 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 11:43 AM)GlockTrigga Wrote:  

In Japan Gaijin women are largely ignored. Even as an ESL teacher you get no play. The only time you can score is if you are a Scandinavian girl who is 5'6-5'9 with big ass titties and blonde hair. You have to have insane curves and perfect complexion. Basically you have to look better than a Japanese cosplay girl.

I think this is an exaggeration. White girls are perfectly competitive if they don't have problems. A healthy one averages bigger tits and ass, fairer skin, sometimes perks like blue eyes, and longer legs than a Japanese girl. However problems are very common: bad attitude, fatness, appearance (hair/clothes etc), higher chance of being too tall, too large, having big noses etc. When they don't have problems, Japanese girls are only really beating them on face (average a bit prettier) and personality (feminine and 'soft').

And perhaps more importantly, there is the ease of sale issue. A Japanese girl thinks you are better than a western white girl does. As a decent western man, it takes more to brighten the eyes of a western girl than a Japanese one. Guys aren't going to bother approaching a plain white girl who will snub them if there is an attractive Japanese girl next to them who won't.

Pretty much this, Adding to it the emphasis on ATTITUDE. Japanese guys will RUN AWAY QUICKLY if a white girl has an attitude, white women has a negative sterotype of being too strong and Japanese guys dont deal with women like that. even the hottest of the hot white chick cant really get a dude to stay around with her unless she was EXTREMELY pleasant. Which is a rarity. I knew a hto scandanavian girl on the DJ scene here who thought she was hto shit because she got some DJ gigs, well she fucked on gig up when she lied about leaving to go to work, and instead she was found at another party that night. She stopped getting gigs with other Japanese promoters IMMEDIATELY and tried moving to L.A. she`s not doing so hot now lol.

[Simeon_Strangelight]

(06-09-2015 06:41 AM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  

Quote:

These men wouldn’t have been able to score a date at home if they’d been a calender but in Asia they’d nabbed the prom queen. They were true success stories. Who could blame them for taking advantage of a magical loophole that allowed them to date women out of their league? If such a nirvana existed for Western woman, I’m sure I’d have moved there too.

http://www.vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/

Does that sound like someone who 'realized' how good they had it elsewhere?

Of course they complain, because as one female blogger I know wrote - woman are mainly interested in the top 20% of men in terms of looks, Game, success. They don't want the lower 80% - those guys could just as well go in hibernation until their mid 30s. So naturally - even if men outnumber women by 30% in some cities in the US in the ages of 18-35, then it's not enough. Only when there are 500% or 1000% more men, then every snowflake could nab one of the top 10% of men while the rest could just become incels.

That's the degree of the psychotic mental state of women.

[BlueOcean]

(06-09-2015 09:41 AM)Zelcorpion Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 06:41 AM)CH-Toronto Wrote:  

Quote:

These men wouldn’t have been able to score a date at home if they’d been a calender but in Asia they’d nabbed the prom queen. They were true success stories. Who could blame them for taking advantage of a magical loophole that allowed them to date women out of their league? If such a nirvana existed for Western woman, I’m sure I’d have moved there too.

http://www.vagabondish.com/female-foreign-japan/

Does that sound like someone who 'realized' how good they had it elsewhere?

Of course they complain, because as one female blogger I know wrote - woman are mainly interested in the top 20% of men in terms of looks, Game, success. They don't want the lower 80% - those guys could just as well go in hibernation until their mid 30s. So naturally - even if men outnumber women by 30% in some cities in the US in the ages of 18-35, then it's not enough. Only when there are 500% or 1000% more men, then every snowflake could nab one of the top 10% of men while the rest could just become incels.

That's the degree of the psychotic mental state of women.

https://heartiste.wordpress.com/2012/06/...xperiment/

An Okcupid dating study found that.



Of the 53 messages that were sent out, 38 went just to one man. The bottom 3 men received 3 messages, combined.

Like everything else in life, there's an unequal distribution of female attention. More than ever before, being alpha (in looks, game, etc.) is important if you want a decent chick.

[Yatagan]

(06-09-2015 09:37 AM)CJ_W Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 02:05 PM)Phoenix Wrote:  

(03-10-2015 11:43 AM)GlockTrigga Wrote:  

In Japan Gaijin women are largely ignored. Even as an ESL teacher you get no play. The only time you can score is if you are a Scandinavian girl who is 5'6-5'9 with big ass titties and blonde hair. You have to have insane curves and perfect complexion. Basically you have to look better than a Japanese cosplay girl.

I think this is an exaggeration. White girls are perfectly competitive if they don't have problems. A healthy one averages bigger tits and ass, fairer skin, sometimes perks like blue eyes, and longer legs than a Japanese girl. However problems are very common: bad attitude, fatness, appearance (hair/clothes etc), higher chance of being too tall, too large, having big noses etc. When they don't have problems, Japanese girls are only really beating them on face (average a bit prettier) and personality (feminine and 'soft').

And perhaps more importantly, there is the ease of sale issue. A Japanese girl thinks you are better than a western white girl does. As a decent western man, it takes more to brighten the eyes of a western girl than a Japanese one. Guys aren't going to bother approaching a plain white girl who will snub them if there is an attractive Japanese girl next to them who won't.

Pretty much this, Adding to it the emphasis on ATTITUDE. Japanese guys will RUN AWAY QUICKLY if a white girl has an attitude, white women has a negative sterotype of being too strong and Japanese guys dont deal with women like that. even the hottest of the hot white chick cant really get a dude to stay around with her unless she was EXTREMELY pleasant. Which is a rarity. I knew a hto scandanavian girl on the DJ scene here who thought she was hto shit because she got some DJ gigs, well she fucked on gig up when she lied about leaving to go to work, and instead she was found at another party that night. She stopped getting gigs with other Japanese promoters IMMEDIATELY and tried moving to L.A. she`s not doing so hot now lol.

How do (western) black women fare in Japan? Better or worse than white women?

[Lucario]

(06-09-2015 07:17 AM)StrikeBack Wrote:  

Please guys, nobody tells these bitches about the land down under, where men glow and women plunder...

We need more women down here in Australia. Because of our Island status, there is barely any foreign competition except from fob asains, but Asian are just not as appealing. Eurasains are the most top shelve asains in Australia.

And having so any tall white men here makes for stiff competition.

Then you get the ugliest eastern European girls coming here, met many polish women with busted up faces and quite a few fat Swedish hipster chicks here in Melbourne too. Even a Ukrainian chick from clinical placements is 40 without kids and not married.

[Easy_C]

(06-09-2015 02:19 AM)Akula Wrote:  

Imagine trying to date a woman like that (let alone think about having kids and/or marrying them!). Society in the west has basically created a toxicity between the sexes that is very difficult to overcome unless you've got a very intelligent, feminine and moral woman who sees the bullshit for what it is. That's a rare creature indeed - and finding a slim and attractive one rarer still.

That's the worst part of it. I tried for years to find one like that and gave up the "conventional" ways of doing it, and ended up using a Catholic service and then filtering down for girls that fit a very specific set of criteria including moral positions, never married, and skinny. On the site in question I found that the single most effective litmus test is whether they accept the Church's anti-contraception stance. If no then it means they're rejecting fertility and personal responsibility and have a high likelihood of being post-modern "bitches".

Granted it wasn't even close to perfect but it narrowed the pool enough to give me reasonable chances at finding a good one.

One thing to keep in mind: the few girls left like this are often a bit socially withdrawn and shy.

Keep in mind that they've been hated on their whole lives. Other girls hate on them because slim, feminine virgins are both a huge sexual threat and simply by existing they hold a mirror up to how ugly the average americunt's life is, and a lot of guys hate on them because they won't give it up for said guys.


Another good trend I'm seeing is that matchmakers are starting to cater to the younger crowd that wants traditional marriages. I'm friends with one older lady who missed the boat by focusing on her career. Rather than rationalize she openly admits her mistake and as a side business runs matchmaking and speed dating services for people in the major city she lives in. My impression was that she is very sincere about trying to make sure that the next generation doesn't make her mistake.

[WalterBlack]

(06-09-2015 09:07 AM)El Chinito loco Wrote:  

An asian guy really doesn't belong in the U.S. and I say this as an asian guy. It's like an African parrot living in England. The culture, environment, and social interaction is just so diammetrically opposed to some instrinsic part of what the person is and originates from.

I'd say the same about latinos as well. It's a completely unnatural environment for men who come from cultures where women are friendly and accommodating.

America is an anglo dominant environment. It's a place that inherited 90%+ of its culture from the Brits. It really does not jive well with asians or latinos in general deep down on some spiritual level.

I think (east-Asian) men do have a place in the US. Filipino men seem to get laid with women of most races. I think many Chinese-American men are fucked in two ways – a lot of them either grow up in a very Asian area (like parts of Southern California), are raised to be school nerds, and find it hard to interact without non-Asians. Then you get the guys who grow up where there’s very little Chinese, and they get shit growing up their whole lives because they’re seen as different. That can kill their confidence.

I know a Taiwanese-American man who makes over $200k location independent money as an IoS programmer, and he lives in Europe for months at a time. Unfortunately this guy has negative game, and his last LTR was with a Turkish single mother in the US. I give respect to the guy though, at least he tries leaving the US for European women. This guy has a lot of issues though, he told me as kid his parents would argue so much that the cops are called. He also claims he’s only ever seen 2 attractive Chinese women in his life, and this guy has been to Taiwan many times. He really badly wants white pussy,

Latino men with game kill it with women of all races, I’ve never heard a Latino guy say the America is not for him.

(06-09-2015 10:27 AM)Seboist Wrote:  

How do (western) black women fare in Japan? Better or worse than white women?

I remember talking to a cute Jamaican girl at Gas Panic in Roppongi, she told me the Japanese men never approached her, she thought they were too scared.

[Carlos100]

(06-09-2015 01:20 PM)WalterBlack Wrote:  

(06-09-2015 10:27 AM)Seboist Wrote:  

How do (western) black women fare in Japan? Better or worse than white women?

I remember talking to a cute Jamaican girl at Gas Panic in Roppongi, she told me the Japanese men never approached her, she thought they were too scared.

That has been my observation also. I did, however, know one American black woman who was married to a Japanese guy and living in Japan. She wasn't fat or obnoxious, but otherwise had a normal American personality. I was curious to see what kind of guy her husband was but never got to meet him.